Wiggins speaks about drugs

[Jim Jones]

Yeah. Dope does not work. It is all a fantasy. Those studies that show the performance increases of EPO and blood doping, garbage! In fact there is not reason to dope at all. The pros who risk their careers if they get caught are idiots to do so for something that is completely ineffective. They should all be eating rice cakes instead.

But these days it's just micro dosing or small blood transfusions. It's not as big a difference to the days when everyone was 49.9, or before that when riders would routinely ride at 60%.

I know someone who raised their hematocrit by about 2% and he said it made almost no noticable difference. Amphetamines gave him more of a kick.

 

[BikeCentric]

But these days it's just micro dosing or small blood transfusions. It's not as big a difference to the days when everyone was 49.9, or before that when riders would routinely ride at 60%.

I know someone who raised their hematocrit by about 2% and he said it made almost no noticable difference. Amphetamines gave him more of a kick.

What a surprise, you have a "friend" who does multiple types of illegal PED's; explains why you are such a doping apologist.

Unfortunately your imaginary drug using "friend" obviously does not even know how to use a power meter because if so he'd see with objective numbers that even a small increase in hematocrit creates a measurable increase in sustainable power output while amphetamines do not.

Regardless, your argument regarding the amount of blood doping falls on its face since as long as we have relative differences in blood parameters between riders we do not have a level playing field.

 

[BikeCentric]

I've been trolled. Jim Jones is Epoche, The Singularity, BPC, Arbiter, Sprocket01, etc.

Flag him please.

 

[Polish]

Yeah. Dope does not work. It is all a fantasy. Those studies that show the performance increases of EPO and blood doping, garbage! In fact there is not reason to dope at all. The pros who risk their careers if they get caught are idiots to do so for something that is completely ineffective. They should all be eating rice cakes instead.

Yes, they should be eating rice cakes. Weighing them too.
And training their keesters off.

It is telling when a Long-Time Anti-Doping SpokesRider like Wiggins, an omerta breaker boo, comes out with a positive "you do not need to dope to win" message - and he gets smeared by the zealots. Nice.

And a forumite like piston pete who posts the link to the positive message gets labeled as a troll. Nice.

 

[BroDeal]

But these days it's just micro dosing or small blood transfusions. It's not as big a difference to the days when everyone was 49.9, or before that when riders would routinely ride at 60%.

I know someone who raised their hematocrit by about 2% and he said it made almost no noticable difference. Amphetamines gave him more of a kick.

I doubt Astana's testing delays and infusion kits were used to give testers accurate samples.

Aside from that, let's say a rider's normal hematocrit is 42%. A 2% rise to 44% is a 4.76% increase. If the rider's HCT should decrease by 10% to 37.8% over the course of a GT then maintaining 44% is a 16.4% increase over normal.

Which rider was relative crap at the start of last year's Tour but considerably better by the end?

 

[Jim Jones]

Unfortunately your imaginary drug using "friend" obviously does not even know how to use a power meter because if so he'd see with objective numbers that even a small increase in hematocrit creates a measurable increase in sustainable power output while amphetamines do not.

No amphetamines do increase power output also by pumping up the rider and reducing fatigue. That's why they were used in the old days.

A one or two increase in hematocrit does not produce dramatic changes. Think of this - riders don't completely transform after doing some altitude training. Yes, they become a bit better, but they aren't going to massively change just because altitude training has raised their crit a bit. It's only when there are these big percentage changes that the ball game shifts.

 

[BroDeal]

 

[Jim Jones]

It is telling when a Long-Time Anti-Doping SpokesRider like Wiggins, an omerta breaker boo, comes out with a positive "you do not need to dope to win" message - and he gets smeared by the zealots. Nice..

Yeah it's funny - Wiggins made few friends when he threatened to punch out dopers on his team a couple of years ago. You never see dopers do things like that.

Take the interview above where he talks freely about the issue. You just don't see that type of thing from dopers - they usually just go through the motions and keep discussion of it to the bare minimum. Wiggins, however, is happy to bring it up.

We all know he focused on the track, and specifically the Olympics, before last year. It's not that amazing that he would improve once he switched full time to road.

 

[Big GMaC]

Yes, they should be eating rice cakes. Weighing them too.
And training their keesters off.

It is telling when a Long-Time Anti-Doping SpokesRider like Wiggins, an omerta breaker boo, comes out with a positive "you do not need to dope to win" message - and he gets smeared by the zealots. Nice.

And a forumite like piston pete who posts the link to the positive message gets labeled as a troll. Nice.

When has Wiggins ever broken Omerta? He has enforce omerta by welcoming Armstrong back. He has never said anything against the '99 EPO postives, he has welcomed him back like a hero.

Wiggins has only ever spoken about riders who have been caught. This is not breaking omerta. This enforces omerta.

And I know you are low in intelligence (at least you posts here suggest that) but surely even you can follow the pattern the Troll is now using?

Mallorca Man --> M M

Pistol Pete --> P P

Jim Jones --> J J

 

[Big GMaC]

No amphetamines do increase power output also by pumping up the rider and reducing fatigue. That's why they were used in the old days.

A one or two increase in hematocrit does not produce dramatic changes. Think of this - riders don't completely transform after doing some altitude training. Yes, they become a bit better, but they aren't going to massively change just because altitude training has raised their crit a bit. It's only when there are these big percentage changes that the ball game shifts.

Right, so I should be taking more amphetamines and less EPO? Right. Gotcha.

 

[BikeCentric]

It is telling when a Long-Time Anti-Doping SpokesRider like Wiggins, an omerta breaker boo, comes out with a positive "you do not need to dope to win" message - and he gets smeared by the zealots. Nice.

Sorry but in this sport you cannot expect the knowledgeable fans to simply accept that a rider is clean because he says he is. Especially a rider who has always sucked a$$ in GT's and then suddenly finishes 5th.

I remember when Mr. Clean Tyler Hamilton used to go on and on about how he was an example of how a wholesome young man from Marblehead Mass. could win clean and he loved his nice Golden Retriever doggie Tugboat soooo much...

 

[Polish]

Sorry but in this sport you cannot expect the knowledgeable fans to simply accept that a rider is clean because he says he is. Especially a rider who has always sucked a$$ in GT's and then suddenly finishes 5th.

I remember when Mr. Clean Tyler Hamilton used to go on and on about how he was an example of how a wholesome young man from Marblehead Mass. could win clean and he loved his nice Golden Retriever doggie Tugboat soooo much...

I do not remember Tyler speaking out against the dopers like Wiggins has.

 

[Jim Jones]

When has Wiggins ever broken Omerta? He has enforce omerta by welcoming Armstrong back. He has never said anything against the '99 EPO postives, he has welcomed him back like a hero.

Wiggins has only ever spoken about riders who have been caught. This is not breaking omerta. This enforces omerta.

And I know you are low in intelligence (at least you posts here suggest that) but surely even you can follow the pattern the Troll is now using?

Mallorca Man --> M M

Pistol Pete --> P P

Jim Jones --> J J

Well Armstrong is obviously a huge figure that someone fairly junior like Wiggins will be wary of trash talking about. I don't think he welcomed him back as a hero though - maybe you are confusing him with Millar.

As Wiggins gets more confident as a GC contender, I wouldn't be surprised if there does end up being some tension between him and Armstrong, who is one of his main rivals for a podium spot. If he drops Armstrong on one mountain stage, only for Armstrong to come back later in the tour and smash him again, you could well see Wiggins saying something. Watch this space.

 

[Jim Jones]

It's interesting that some are happy to smear Jonathon Vaughters and Garmin as a bunch of dopers, but the same people got incredibly offended on Vaughters' behalf when Wiggins compared Garmin to Wigan football team. So much so that they now go around calling Wiggins "Wigans".

I think Vaughters would rather be compared to a football team than be called dopers, guys.

 

[BikeCentric]

Well Armstrong is obviously a huge figure that someone fairly junior like Wiggins will be wary of trash talking about. I don't think he welcomed him back as a hero though - maybe you are confusing him with Millar.

David Millar said in an interview in the most recent Cycle Sport that he and Armstrong no longer speak and that their relationship is "very strained."

One would think you'd know that being from the UK and all.

 

[luckyboy]

Doping aside, he insulted his own team and broke his contract to go where, presumably, more money was.

Wiggins said that it was "fantastic" to see such a "champion like that" back and that he is the "one man in the sport who could change a race"

 

[Jim Jones]

David Millar said in an interview in the most recent Cycle Sport that he and Armstrong no longer speak and that their relationship is "very strained."

One would think you'd know that being from the UK and all.

Thanks, no hadn't seen that. Interesting. There always seemed a bit of a contradiction in that relationship. The last proper interview I read was on CN last year and Millar said they were still friends.

Just one more point about Wiggins. His weight loss during the Tour was very noticeable. There was no doubt that he took his weight right down. He says he won't go that low again until two weeks before the tour.

Now, that is not always the case with other riders who claim to have lost weight. In fairness it's hard to tell in most cases, but in Wiggins case that is not so during the Tour.

 

[Anonymous]

Like Dimspace, says, he would not trust Contador as far as he could throw him. And he says that he trusts no Spanish rider. He then revels in a Flecha win at Het Volk.

I have clarified my position on that and explained that when i refer to spanish riders i beleive are doping and give me a mistrust of every spanish rider I am talking about climbing, grand tour condenters. Not single day racers or sprinters who benefit much less from the kind of stuff contador, valverde, sanchez etc are doing.

On a side note, why is it around here, that when people have an opinion others dont agree with they are dismissed as a troll?

David Millar said in an interview in the most recent Cycle Sport that he and Armstrong no longer speak and that their relationship is "very strained."

One would think you'd know that being from the UK and all.

I didnt know that and im from the UK. I thought they were still buddies.

 

[Big GMaC]

I have clarified my position on that and explained that when i refer to spanish riders i beleive are doping and give me a mistrust of every spanish rider I am talking about climbing, grand tour condenters. Not single day racers or sprinters who benefit much less from the kind of stuff contador, valverde, sanchez etc are doing.

On a side note, why is it around here, that when people have an opinion others dont agree with they are dismissed as a troll?

Because in this case, he is a troll.

People don't call immaculatekadence a troll...

 

[luckyboy]

When people come on here and talk about how effective amphetamines are in comparison to EPO, they either really genuinely have no idea what they are talking about, or they're trolling.

 

[BroDeal]

On a side note, why is it around here, that when people have an opinion others dont agree with they are dismissed as a troll?

Because Jeff Jones is obviously a new name for BPC. He is coming up on the two dozen usernames mark.

 

[badboygolf16v]

I don't see how Wiggins can justify this statement:

For years we were always told by French teams: 'You'll never do anything at the Tour. How can we possible compete with these guys, they've got another gear.' You actually start believing that crap after a while.

That 'crap' was actually true, and, if you are prepared to go back far enough, everyone was at it. I'm inclined to believe that things have got better, and that now, by no means is everyone doing it. (That's based on anecdotal evidence I've heard from someone who's raced UCI 2.1.) But people still ARE doing it, that's a fact as well.

So if it's not crap, and Wiggins says it is crap.. Well, what is one supposed to think?

My opinion of Wiggins has changed a lot this last year. He used to be unequivocal and vocal in his anti doping stance. That no longer seems to be the case, in my eyes.

 

[Anonymous]

Because in this case, he is a troll.

People don't call immaculatekadence a troll...

Because Jeff Jones is obviously a new name for BPC. He is coming up on the two dozen usernames mark.

I dont think Jim Jones is who you think they are, but what do I know..

 

[pmcg76]

I have clarified my position on that and explained that when i refer to spanish riders i beleive are doping and give me a mistrust of every spanish rider I am talking about climbing, grand tour condenters. Not single day racers or sprinters who benefit much less from the kind of stuff contador, valverde, sanchez etc are doing.

On a side note, why is it around here, that when people have an opinion others dont agree with they are dismissed as a troll?

That is true but I think as somebody else has pointed out, there is a trend here. The resident troll had become easier to spot and now seems to be trying to sneak his way back in by using a different approach, comment on other threads to gain credibility before returning to his former path.

Some of the points are indeed valid and could be just a new poster but once again, I have a sneaking feeling about this and I dont think I am one for hammering trolls. Its sad really that people could be picking on genuine posters but thats what the point of a troll is, to disrupt.

 

[Big GMaC]

I dont think Jim Jones is who you think they are, but what do I know..

There is a common theme recently using two names starting in the same letter. I illustrated it above