Wiggins speaks about drugs

[Hugh Januss]

Well then he would just be deleting the posts of the forum posse calling for banning the "troll". They are the ones that derailed this thread.

RR, Bro, etc's definition of troll is somebody that doesn't toe the party line in here, then they start squealing like somebody stole their cookies at lunch.

I'm not saying I agree with this latest reincarnation of BPC, but he makes points worth debating or pointing out where he is wrong. Dimspace is right. Instantly sporting the "troll" card is petty and childish, and is the mark of somebody that can't debate and is immature.

I personally think this thread was rolling along rather nicely, and it was one of the funnier things I have read in awhile. No offense mods, but I wish you didn't exist.

BTW, what thread did Wiggins wikipedia page get discussed? I missed that.

It did take some balls for Wiggins to call out the rest of the top 10 in 2008 as dopers.

The problem is the guy is an unrepentant troll, just coming back to post again after 20+ times being banned is against forum rules and is grounds for being banned again.
So it doesn't really matter if his first couple posts are reasonable or not, we all know where it is going. You can either take him seriously and debate him, in which case after 2 days and 80 some posts on his part we are stuck in his viscious circular reasoning, try to ignore him and watch as others get sucked in, or call him out the minute he shows up again, and hope that this time the ban somehow works.
I know for a fact that an IP ban can work because I got one from 'Cooldork' at RBR and I didn't even do anything. He accused me of being a TFF sockpuppet and banned both our IPs .I still can't get a user name over there (not that I miss it much, that guy is a real horses backside). I am not sure how this whole IP thing works but I'm pretty sure if you are accusing two guys of being the same guy and one is in California and the other is in South Carolina it is going to be obvious at some point that they are not coming from the same computer let alone the same IP. They don't even follow their own rules over there.

 

[blackcat]

ok, to be more specific then. I have issues with certain spaniards, primerily climbers, all of whom at some point have been linked with either doping, spanish doctors, gynocologists etc. Which pretty much is any spanish climber over about the last 8 years although i am happy to admit there are exceptions.
Never, has one of my comments from probably six months ago, been used to often, against me, and so often out of context.

Wiggins on the other hand, has not had any links with spanish doctors that i know of, has not dropped people on mountains that i know of, unless putting pressure on lance in murcia counts, and as far as I know has no black marks as far as doping goes against his name. If he drops contador ricco style during the tour this year then maybe i will reevaluate that opinion..

on the other hand, your determination that wiggins is doping, and your refusal to even achknowlege any valid argument to the contrary makes you appear so full of loathing that its beyond beleif.

It defies belief, that Wigans transforms himself into a GT rider, and does it clean, and was always clean. It defies belief. I speak to ex pros who road GT's. And others of even higher profile. They never disagree with my interpretation. No one in the press corps seriously thought Wigans was clean.

It is only jingoistic fanboys like you who thought Wigans was clean. Hook Vaughters up to a polygraph, no way JV thinks Wigans did it on ricecakes and no wheat.

All the guys who are the best in their field, whether track or road, are on gear. They are no better, no worse. In your idealistic world, the UK team are better because they say so. And they do not have a gynecologist. This really is hard to conceive, there are doctors in every Anglophone country that will prescribe drugs which can be used for performance enhancement. Then there are the blackmarket sources, and the internet. Every gym will have a source for roids.

Those gold medals on the track dont grow on trees Dim. Get your head out of your a$$ and stop this bigotry thinking the Spaniards are the only dirty clique. Everyone does the same $hit at the pointy end, be it in the Tour, in San Remo, or in a keirin. Sprinters dope, trackies dope, they all dope.

You are a lost cause.

 

[Anonymous]

I know for a fact that an IP ban can work because I got one from 'Cooldork' at RBR and I didn't even do anything.

Do you want instructions one how to get around one its very simple, a child of three could do it.

 

[BroDeal]

Do you want instructions one how to get around one its very simple, a child of three could do it.

I think Dim is very intent on keeping trollboy around because he agrees with his crackpot ideas.

 

[Anonymous]

Those gold medals on the track dont grow on trees Dim. Get your head out of your a$$ and stop this bigotry thinking the Spaniards are the only dirty clique. Everyone does the same $hit at the pointy end, be it in the Tour, in San Remo, or in a keirin. Sprinters dope, trackies dope, they all dope. .

No its not just the Spaniards. The Italians have some pretty major culprits as well. The French on the other hand, I pretty much trust a fair few of them, except the ones on spanish teams of course

Its got nothing to do with nationalism. Its a fact that more Spanish, Italian, and for sake of argument German riders have been linked with doping than any other nationality. Apart from maybe Khazakstanis.

I am entitled to my opinion.

I think Dim is very intent on keeping trollboy around because he agrees with his crackpot ideas.

conversation continue here

 

[Anonymous]

I think Dim is very intent on keeping trollboy around because he agrees with his crackpot ideas.

conversation continue here

Now back to Wiggins..

 

[Hugh Januss]

No its not just the Spaniards. The Italians have some pretty major culprits as well. The French on the other hand, I pretty much trust a fair few of them, except the ones on spanish teams of course

Its got nothing to do with nationalism. Its a fact that more Spanish, Italian, and for sake of argument German riders have been linked with doping than any other nationality. Apart from maybe Khazakstanis.

I am entitled to my opinion.

You left out the Belgians and the Americans and Luxembourgers.......but somehow jolly old England is pure huh?

 

[BroDeal]

No its not just the Spaniards. The Italians have some pretty major culprits as well. The French on the other hand, I pretty much trust a fair few of them, except the ones on spanish teams of course

Its got nothing to do with nationalism. Its a fact that more Spanish, Italian, and for sake of argument German riders have been linked with doping than any other nationality. Apart from maybe Khazakstanis.

I insist we not leave the Americans out of this when it comes to percentage of top riders linked to doping. We're number one! America, f*ck yeah!!

 

[Hugh Januss]

Do you want instructions one how to get around one its very simple, a child of three could do it.

I just don't care to go back, they are a flock of Ostriches over there although in the ground is not where their heads are stuck. I guess I am just a failure as a troll.

 

[RTMcFadden]

I am not sure how this whole IP thing works but I'm pretty sure if you are accusing two guys of being the same guy and one is in California and the other is in South Carolina it is going to be obvious at some point that they are not coming from the same computer let alone the same IP.

There's no connection between geography an the IP address, unlike an area code (as it used to be). You can search and find where the IP is registered, but that has more to do with the domain server than the connected PC. You can also get sophisticated and narrow down the area, but that was probably a lot more work than he was willing to do.

 

[Willy_Voet]

yesterday I found a penny on the ground. Today I found a quarter. If I fit this data to an exponential equation, y = 0.0004e^3.2189x with an R² = 1, tomorrow I can expect to find $6.25 and by Sunday, I'll be a millionaire.

See how easy it is to work with numbers...

 

[blackcat]

You left out the Belgians and the Americans and Luxembourgers.......but somehow jolly old England is pure huh?

cos they say so, they are outspoken.

I think the most clear case, was Hayles in 2007, and his blood numbers. And the propaganda justification from all in GB Cycling. He was dehydrated and sick.

Well, remember we last hear the diarrhea excuse with Schumacher before Worlds in 2007, and he went positive in 2008.

Defies belief. But keep believing Dim. Walsh does not believe. You think he is credible?

 

[Hugh Januss]

There's no connection between geography an the IP address, unlike an area code (as it used to be). You can search and find where the IP is registered, but that has more to do with the domain server than the connected PC. You can also get sophisticated and narrow down the area, but that was probably a lot more work than he was willing to do.

I'm just saying he didn't even care, he just wanted to ban someone who's opinion he didn't care for.

 

[ChrisE]

The problem is the guy is an unrepentant troll, just coming back to post again after 20+ times being banned is against forum rules and is grounds for being banned again.
So it doesn't really matter if his first couple posts are reasonable or not, we all know where it is going. You can either take him seriously and debate him, in which case after 2 days and 80 some posts on his part we are stuck in his viscious circular reasoning, try to ignore him and watch as others get sucked in, or call him out the minute he shows up again, and hope that this time the ban somehow works.
I know for a fact that an IP ban can work because I got one from 'Cooldork' at RBR and I didn't even do anything. He accused me of being a TFF sockpuppet and banned both our IPs .I still can't get a user name over there (not that I miss it much, that guy is a real horses backside). I am not sure how this whole IP thing works but I'm pretty sure if you are accusing two guys of being the same guy and one is in California and the other is in South Carolina it is going to be obvious at some point that they are not coming from the same computer let alone the same IP. They don't even follow their own rules over there.

Unrepentant? You make it sound like he committed some type of sin, when all he has really done is stir up a few of the regulars in here.

I'm still trying to figure out why he got banned in the first place....

I don't know what is up with the IP thing. I do know DPF banned IP addresses and Steve regularly checked them. I also know this place doesn't.

 

[ChrisE]

cos they say so, they are outspoken.

I think the most clear case, was Hayles in 2007, and his blood numbers. And the propaganda justification from all in GB Cycling. He was dehydrated and sick.

Well, remember we last hear the diarrhea excuse with Schumacher before Worlds in 2007, and he went positive in 2008.

Defies belief. But keep believing Dim. Walsh does not believe. You think he is credible?

C'mon bc. You know yardstick placing 5th in 2008 is worth 1 w/kg on the inspiration meter.

 

[RTMcFadden]

Unrepentant? You make it sound like he committed some type of sin, when all he has really done is stir up a few of the regulars in here.

I'm still trying to figure out why he got banned in the first place....

I don't know what is up with the IP thing. I do know DPF banned IP addresses and Steve regularly checked them. I also know this place doesn't.

IP addresses can be static or dynamic. Most everyone used dynamic these days. That's one of the reasons it's so hard to ban IP addresses. You can ban IP ranges, but that covers more than one computer, although the range is static. If you want ot be machine specific you really need to look at the MAC address.

 

[Race Radio]

There's no connection between geography an the IP address, unlike an area code (as it used to be). You can search and find where the IP is registered, but that has more to do with the domain server than the connected PC. You can also get sophisticated and narrow down the area, but that was probably a lot more work than he was willing to do.

Wrong. It is very easy to trace most IP, especially those used by large ISP's. The location info is often very accurate.

 

[RTMcFadden]

Wrong. It is very easy to trace most IP, especially those used by large ISP's. The location info is often very accurate.

You're right. It's a lot easier that it used to be. Although, it takes effort, which is where the problem was. The admin wasn't intrested in exerting any effort.

 

[BroDeal]

I'm just saying he didn't even care, he just wanted to ban someone who's opinion he didn't care for.

Coolhand did the same thing to me. He never told me why he banned me, but in a PM to another member he said that Realgains and me were the same person. I am pretty sure that Realgains is in SoCal, like a thousand miles away from me, and we write in completely different styles.

 

[BroDeal]

The admin wasn't intrested in exerting any effort.

Ding. We have a winner.

 

[Race Radio]

Well then he would just be deleting the posts of the forum posse calling for banning the "troll". They are the ones that derailed this thread.

RR, Bro, etc's definition of troll is somebody that doesn't toe the party line in here, then they start squealing like somebody stole their cookies at lunch.

There are plenty of people on this forum who I disagree with but I do not think are trolls. There are a few in particular who make well thought out posts. Even the occasional well thought out, entertaining, insult has it place.

A troll is someone who completely derails the ability for the forum to function. While our *** friend may occasionally post something readable we all know what eventually happens. When he does not get the disruption attention he craves he just amps up the stupid until he gets it.

He has been banned over 20 times for a reason.

 

[Race Radio]

Coolhand did the same thing to me. He never told me why he banned me, but in a PM to another member he said that Realgains and me were the same person. I am pretty sure that Realgains is in SoCal, like a thousand miles away from me, and we write in completely different styles.

Realgains is from Canada.

You were banned for the same reason dozens of other were banned, they questioned the myth and Coolhand does not like anything to get in the way of his mancrush.

 

[ChrisE]

There are plenty of people on this forum who I disagree with but I do not think are trolls. There are a few in particular who make well thought out posts. Even the occasional well thought out, entertaining, insult has it place.

A troll is someone who completely derails the ability for the forum to function. While our *** friend may occasionally post something readable we all know what eventually happens. When he does not get the disruption attention he craves he just amps up the stupid until he gets it.

He has been banned over 20 times for a reason.

I tend to disagree. Things get out of control with him when he refutes your position on a subject with something other than name calling. Then the forum stops functioning when you guys start carpet bombing him with names and calling for him to be banned. That's what happens 95% of the time.

Can't you just walk away and ignore him? Why do you let him control your attitude and state of mind on an internet forum? I would hate it if somebody had that type of control over me.

 

[Race Radio]

Things get out of control with him when he refutes your position on a subject with something other than name calling.

do you have an example of this? He has thousands of posts so it should be easy.

Can't you just walk away and ignore him? Why do you let him control your attitude and state of mind on an internet forum? I would hate it if somebody had that type of control over me.

Tried that. It only slows him for a second and he ramps up the BS. Inventing various lies about posters to bait them into responding.

After over 20 banned usernames it is easy to spot him. Ignore him and the BS just escalates.

 

[ChrisE]

do you have an example of this? He has thousands of posts so it should be easy.



Tried that. It only slows him for a second and he ramps up the BS. Inventing various lies about posters to bait them into responding.

After over 20 banned usernames it is easy to spot him. Ignore him and the BS just escalates.

C'mon RR. I'm not gonna go back and dig but this guy gets rained on within a couple of posts, and you know that. Don't act like it's a tea party of old ladies in here and this guy comes in and starts throwing shyt around and y'all are the victims.

OK, the BS in your opinion escalates. You still haven't answered my question about why you let it effect you like it does. Take a deep breath...it will be ok.