Will Chris Boardman be on the French list for taking EPO.

[Don't be late Pedro]

Wait a minute....I seem to recall Boardman taking testosterone(which at the time the governing bodies didn't allow, citing it was a form of doping) for his osteoperosis? If that's the case, your whole theory about Boardman being "clean" would be shot. Let's also wait to see if his name shows up on that list, for your sake, I'm sure you're hoping it doesn't.

Last I looked LeMond never took PEDs/epos.........looks like Boardman appears to have done such.

He applied for an exemption and it was refused.

Didn't Lemond admit to doing cocaine with Fignon?

 

[86TDFWinner]

Ok, point one. Learn to quote people's posts. It's simple and even you should be able to do it with some practice.

No one here knows if Boardman is 100% clean hence this thread. And even if he is found clean of these tests it does not guarantee it. The same logic applies to any rider.

In 90 (the year you chose) Boardman was still racing track primarily. Hence me choosing 94 when Lemond had retired i.e. it makes about as much sense.

So your argument is that Lemond is a better rider than Boardman, la, la, la. Yeah Boardman's record is that of a real clown.

Multiple Olympic medalist
Multiple track WC
World ITT
Multiple hour record holder
Multiple GT stage winner

Much of this during the EPO era. And therein lies the question. If he is clean how good could he have been before EPO.

And for the final time... Who the hell is arguing that Lemond is not clean? You still do not seem to understand the reason I brought up the result. Even FGL knew it was not a slight on Lemond.

I'm posting from my phone, so forgive me for not quoting your nonsense properly.


No, I'm saying that LeMonds body of work co.pared to Boardman is much better.

YOU brought my name up, as some sort of diss towards me, I've asked you 3 times why you did such, and(no surprise) you ignored it. Youve proven you have issues with LeMond.

Then if you don't know yourself if Boardman is clean, then why do you keep going on about it as though he is? LeMond HAS BEEN PROVEN to have ridden clean. I would hope you'd have comprehended that by now, its only been 19 yes since his retirement.


What is your point again? Please post proof either way on Boardman........I'm anxious to read it.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Where did I say that Boardmans career was that of clown? Please point to where I specifically called him such, can you do that? Alex Steida won stage races too, so what?


Mottit is clean(I don't ever remember reading(hearing anything about him doping)

Not sure on Bassoons.

Also, LeMond has won gold too, a few times.
Won. Multiple stage races
Won a CC.
3 TDFs.
NEVER BEEN PROVEN TO HAVE TAKEN EPO/PEDs(what's your point?).

If you really want to get technical, both Wonderboy and Lemond cannot hold a candle up against what Davis Phinney has done. He's the winningest american rider ever, with 328 wins, what's your point.

 

[86TDFWinner]

He applied for an exemption and it was refused.

Didn't Lemond admit to doing cocaine with Fignon?

Grasping at straws again.

Was that during ANY of his wins or during races? I'm not sure. Please post proof that he did so during a race.

If Wonderboy and his band of merry idiots couldn't find anything on Greg(for the sum of $300k), then the topic should be a memory. Has Wonderboy or anyone backed up that story or brought it to light about LeMond? Why not? Probably because it never effected a race or was taken during a race.

Boardman STILL took an illegal(at the time) PED during racing for what was it a year? HIM not getting an exemption kinda proves what I said. I'm sorry that he
had osteoperosis, he should've retired then instead of going on.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Boardman STILL took an illegal(at the time) PED during racing for what was it a year? HIM not getting an exemption kinda proves what I said. I'm sorry that he
had osteoperosis, he should've retired then instead of going on.

What are you talking about? He took no drugs because he was refused the exemption.

Please show me the source that says otherwise.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Actually, don't bother. This is clearly going nowhere.

 

[86TDFWinner]

What are you talking about? He took no drugs because he was refused the exemption.

Please show me the source that says otherwise.

I'm talking about when he took testosterone(that was against the rules) for his Osteoperosis.


Sure.......right after you start posting some of the stuff I've asked you about.


Next, you'll probably repeat that you feel that LeMond couldn't have won "during the Boardman era", which is weak. Of course LeMond couldn't have, he retired a year after Boardman turned pro. LeMond won the Tour DuPont in 92, and then afterwards, still remained competive till retirement in 94.

As I said though, neither could:Merckx/Hinault/Fignon.

The guys who did win the tour "during Boardman era", are all what though? Either admitted dopers, have been caught doping, or still have a cloud of suspicion over them.

Soooo, that should make what LeMond accomplished that much more impressive right? Of course.

Again, I applaud Boardman if he is infact "clean" as you say. If he isn't...your entire argument/theory is meaningless and complete bs. Of course, this is just my opinion.


We can debate this all night, its pointless, but if you choose to, you'll be doing so alone.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Actually, don't bother. This is clearly going nowhere.

Nice slithering away(not surprising you'd go this route).

 

[Gregga]

I'm afraid we'll never know : for the 98 TdF prologue 2 samples out of 3 are missing, the third one is only "visually" positive, without any threshold value.

EDIT : stage 1 : 3 positives (1 above threshold, 1 under, one "visual") 1 negative... Where is Chris ?

 

[86TDFWinner]

I'm afraid we'll never know : for the 98 TdF prologue 2 samples out of 3 are missing, the third one is only "visually" positive, without any threshold value.

EDIT : stage 1 : 3 positives (1 above threshold, 1 under, one "visual") 1 negative... Where is Chris ?

Lol, great info. I wonder where he is too(something tells me we won't find out).

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Nice slithering away(not surprising you'd go this route).

Ok, if you want to push it why don't you show me your source that he was taking PEDs with or without an exemption?
btw Not sure how I am the one 'slithering away' since you are the one claiming Boardman was doping and therefore the onus is one you to prove it.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

I'm talking about when he took testosterone(that was against the rules) for his Osteoperosis.

Source. It is a simple request.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Which GTs did he win?

Tour 1987
Tour 1991
Giro 1990

How did Boardman find those 10 seconds between 1991 and 1992? Didnt he have tri-bars in 1991?

OR the 8 seconds he took of the WR 5k? Was it only the Lotus bike? Only 10 seconds faster than the 1992 World Championship time of Mike McCarthy, and, just 9 seconds faster than his fellow Briton Shaun Wallace on the same Lotus F1 Cycling Bike.

I was on the (hilly) stage 5 of this Dauphiné 95, on the top of last climb (col de Foureyssasse 7km@6.5%), BigMig was killing everyone except from Virenque in his wheel and Boardman 3 meters behind. I remember finding it strange as this climb is very hard in the last kilometer (9%), but at the time, every bike magazine was telling the story of Boardman loosing weight to climb and I probably believed it. We don't know yet for Indurain, but for sure Virenque was on EPO 2000UI/2 days, so Boardman

GaIibier, Croix de Fer, soft stages...

I always have had a kind of softspot for Boardman but some things are too good to be true. Being able to follow the Indurain of 1995, remember la Plagne, is such a thing, in my book. For a non climber. If Boardman hadnt crashed out in Saint Brieuc he would have done really well in the Tour.

Becoming a much better climber and a much better TT'er, see Tour 1994 TT, lost about 5 minutes 30 on Indurain there, over winter.

If he did that all clean he must feel pretty cheated out some great results. Like the 1996 Olympics TT. Losing to a Conconi and Ferrari client, just ahead of another Conconi client and way ahead of Ferrari master projects Toni R. and Lance A.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Ok, if you want to push it why don't you show me your source that he was taking PEDs with or without an exemption?
btw Not sure how I am the one 'slithering away' since you are the one claiming Boardman was doping and therefore the onus is one you to prove it.

Blah blah blah. This has now turned into a game of na na na na boo boo.


I don't need to prove anything. But a 5 second search titled "Chris Boardman testosterone", brought up a UK ARTICLE(which I can't post right now, as I'm on my phone, but will be glad to send it to you later if you wish? Just let me know-hell, I'll even post it here later for you, Mmmkay?) that states, due to his Osteoporosis, he decided to take testosterone injections for OVER 2 yes, the article also CLEARLY pointed out that it was a "banned substance" and was a form of doping.


For the love of all that's holy, please continue having this conversation by yourself.


Now its your turn: please post: where I specifically called Boardman a "clown", where LeMond admitted to doing coke and that it was during a race, and a few other things, can you please do so?

 

[ToreBear]

I think before the epo test everyone would be doing it subcutaneously, so the glow time should be much longer than what I think is/was 3 days with venous injection.

Does anyone have an idea of how long the glow time would be?


As for Boardman, I think he will show up. I think he was doping, and he would have come fully loaded to the prologue if that was his only goal.

I also wonder how extensive the senate report will be.
Will they name those with negative samples?
Those with unreadable samples?

I guess we will find out.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Source. It is a simple request.

As are sources stating:

Where I specifically called Boardman a "clown"? Where I asked you to post where LeMond himself said he did coke?
Where LeMond couldn't win the tour if he raced during Boardman era?


Start posting these "simple sources" please, OK?


In a few hours, I'll be glad to post the "simple source", you've asked me to, BUT ONLY AFTER YOU post the info I've asked for first please, can you do that?(this will be the 3rd time asking).

 

[ToreBear]

It would be nice if the Lemond Fanboys took a break from this thread. I have now read this thread and I can't remember anyone saying he was doping.

I have trouble seeing why you are defending him. No one is accusing.

This is about Boardman.

 

[86TDFWinner]

I think before the epo test everyone would be doing it subcutaneously, so the glow time should be much longer than what I think is/was 3 days with venous injection.

Does anyone have an idea of how long the glow time would be?


As for Boardman, I think he will show up. I think he was doping, and he would have come fully loaded to the prologue if that was his only goal.

I also wonder how extensive the senate report will be.
Will they name those with negative samples?
Those with unreadable samples?

I guess we will find out.

I think for Pedro's sake, its better his man crushes name DOESNT show up on any doper lists. Even still, I'm going to enjoy the subterfuge from our dear friend DBLP, when I drop the hammer on his boy Boardman, maybe he won't be so " gay for Boardman" then. I'm going to sleep now. When I get to school later, I'll happily post it, but he's got to hold up his end of the deal too.

 

[ToreBear]

I think for Pedro's sake, its better his man crushes name DOESNT show up on any doper lists. Even still, I'm going to enjoy the subterfuge from our dear friend DBLP, when I drop the hammer on his boy Boardman, maybe he won't be so " gay for Boardman" then. I'm going to sleep now. When I get to school later, I'll happily post it, but he's got to hold up his end of the deal too.

Pedro doesn't seem religiously attached to Boardmans moral compass. He thinks he was clean, that's all. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[86TDFWinner]

It would be nice if the Lemond Fanboys took a break from this thread. I have now read this thread and I can't remember anyone saying he was doping.

I have trouble seeing why you are defending him. No one is accusing.

This is about Boardman.

Right, and I've asked the resident Boardman expert to please post a few things claiming Boardman is as "clean" as he keeps going on about, which he has yet to do. He also(for some unknown reason) is apparently upset that LeMond is clean and that apparently bothers him. Mr. Pedro also rambled on(I think around page 14 or 15) some nonsense about how LeMond did coke and so forth and that's I'm assuming his "get out of jail free" card to try to refute things here.

He assumes that in order for LeMond to win even so much as a stage in today's cycling climate, he'd have to be doped to the gills.

Someone else a few posts up even went so far as to post into, then asked "where is Chris's info?" And it was ignored.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Pedro doesn't seem religiously attached to Boardmans moral compass. He thinks he was clean, that's all. Nothing wrong with that.

He thinks he's clean, you and others think he's not. Me? Not sure...haven't had info posted to decide either way. I hope he is clean and I've stated I applaud him if he is.

 

[ToreBear]

He thinks he's clean, you and others think he's not. Me? Not sure...haven't had info posted to decide either way. I hope he is clean and I've stated I applaud him if he is.

Good! Then we all agree that there are differences of opinion.

 

[ToreBear]

Right, and I've asked the resident Boardman expert to please post a few things claiming Boardman is as "clean" as he keeps going on about, which he has yet to do. He also(for some unknown reason) is apparently upset that LeMond is clean and that apparently bothers him. Mr. Pedro also rambled on(I think around page 14 or 15) some nonsense about how LeMond did coke and so forth and that's I'm assuming his "get out of jail free" card to try to refute things here.

He assumes that in order for LeMond to win even so much as a stage in today's cycling climate, he'd have to be doped to the gills.

Someone else a few posts up even went so far as to post into, then asked "where is Chris's info?" And it was ignored.

Oh, and I don't think he is the only one who has rambled in this thread.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

As are sources stating:

Where I specifically called Boardman a "clown"? Where I asked you to post where LeMond himself said he did coke?
Where LeMond couldn't win the tour if he raced during Boardman era?


Start posting these "simple sources" please, OK?


In a few hours, I'll be glad to post the "simple source", you've asked me to, BUT ONLY AFTER YOU post the info I've asked for first please, can you do that?(this will be the 3rd time asking).

I never quoted you as saying clown. If I had I would have put it in

quotes

Something you seem unable to use.

As for cocaine it is covered in, funny enough, the Lemond thread. Here is a quote

Lemond struggled in 91 and in various interviews it is obvious he was starting to struggle against riders on EPO. He was also getting a bit older so that might have contributed to it but to think he would have beaten Indurain, Riis, etc while clean is probably wishful thinking. For someone who goes on about him you seem to know very little.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

My quote...

And, again I ask, how many GTs would Lemond have won racing in the same TDF period as Boardman?

Your interpretation...

He assumes that in order for LeMond to win even so much as a stage in today's cycling climate, he'd have to be doped to the gills.