Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[laurel1969]

There are only 2500 posts on this thread. Let us know when your campaign to rectify the terrible discrepancy between posts pointing out Contador is a doper and Froome is a doper is completed.

Let us know when you stop baiting and attacking.

 

[bigcog]

A great "big steak" tomorrow night for Bertie just to make sure

 

[LaFlorecita]

A great "big steak" tomorrow night for Bertie just to make sure

Yes of course

 

[laurel1969]

No Bertie can just rely on his style, souplesse and class....

 

[Netserk]

Let us know when you stop baiting and attacking.

Isn't that accusation itself attacking and baiting?

 

[LaFlorecita]

No Bertie can just rely on his style, souplesse and class....

I am thinking something along the lines of....

 

[SeriousSam]

Is that Clenbuterol?

 

[the sceptic]

There are only 2500 posts on this thread. Let us know when your campaign to rectify the terrible discrepancy between posts pointing out Contador is a doper and Froome is a doper is completed.

Suddenly Contador is good and sky fans want to talk about his doping. Most strange. I dont remember seeing any posts like this last year.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I haven't been in the clinic for a while but decided to pop in and see what the talk is on Alberto Contador.

I believe that last year was the first time we have seen Alberto Contador riding clean or at least relatively clean. Unable to keep up with clean guys like Lauren's Ten Dam and Bauke Mollema, last years results were extremely humbling for Alberto.

Was a former champion going to get used to being middle of the pack ? A lot would have went through Alberto's mind at the back end of 2013. If he had a mediocre year again in 2014, then it would be too late to get back on the juice in 2015 (simply because it would have too damn obvious to everyone). And also his legacy of GT victories would be under serious threat (even though it already was after his 2013 results).

I had suspected that Alberto would be going back to his old tricks for 2014. Sure enough Alberto's results from the beginning of the season have been just as I had expected and feared. Perhaps Alberto has found a breakthrough in his training program ? For my money, I have a strong suspicion that Alberto has been back on the juice since the start of the season. To me it was a very predictable scenario for Alberto. He was never going to settle for the same results as 2013. Alberto has never liked coming 2nd, let alone 5th or 20th. But that is just my opinion.

I will now continue reading through the last 50 or 100 pages.

Wow so much to disagree with in one post. I have some questions.
A. Contador was clean last year?
B. What is your evidence that Mollema and Ten Dam are clean?
C.Where was it that Contador was unable to keep up with the Belken boys?
D. 4th in the TDF is mid pack?

Contador was never "off the juice" he was just on inferior juice to Froome and the others last year.

 

[peloton]

Isn't that accusation itself attacking and baiting?

Quite...........

 

[Gavandope]

There are only 2500 posts on this thread. Let us know when your campaign to rectify the terrible discrepancy between posts pointing out Contador is a doper and Froome is a doper is completed.

Lol - I might be new around here but isn't contador doped up been a forgone conclusion and not up for discussion here? Froome with his dead still riding style on the seat saving him 10-15 watts means him doping is debatable whereas the paella samba peddler out of seat dazzling all adds probably 20 watts more!

 

[peloton]

Lol - I might be new around here but isn't contador doped up been a forgone conclusion and not up for discussion here? Froome with his dead still riding style on the seat saving him 10-15 watts means him doping is debatable whereas the paella samba peddler out of seat dazzling all adds probably 20 watts more!

Dead still riding style??

Hysterical

Btw there's a reason why seated, spin crazy fast attacks are, well, rare and suspicious. Do some reading

 

[Gavandope]

Dead still riding style??

Hysterical

Btw there's a reason why seated, spin crazy fast attacks are, well, rare and suspicious. Do some reading

How else do you call someone who rides with his stance head down and seated? Plenty of energy conservation there aside from the high cadence issue. He is a far greyer area than the almost black with Alberto who's excessive but great eye candy motion on the bike wastes an awful amount of watts.

I've read an awful lot about physics way, way before I've discovered what Vayer said in Walsh and ballesters book lol. I had an awful English translation done by a friend from French reading that!

 

[peloton]

How else do you call someone who rides with his stance head down and seated? Plenty of energy conservation there aside from the high cadence issue. He is a far greyer area than the almost black with Alberto who's excessive but great eye candy motion on the bike wastes an awful amount of watts.

I've read an awful lot about physics way, way before I've discovered what Vayer said in Walsh and ballesters book lol. I had an awful English translation done by a friend from French reading that!

Right Take a wild guess who wrote this (in a book)

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1479827&postcount=66

 

[Gavandope]

Right Take a wild guess who wrote this (in a book)

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1479827&postcount=66

Lol - it took me the first paragraph. Fortunately he only references his laws of bullsh1t - mine came courtesy of Newton, Maxwell etc. I am no biologist but without physics there would be no chemistry never mind biology, and any physicist who compares the dreadful boring mannequin above the waist style of Froome with the beautiful swinging style of contador will tell you that Alberto's excessive motion needs to be factored into climbing data just like Froomes lack of motion aside from his pedalling has to be factored into his stats also. Which in my admittedly virgin knowledge of cycling compared to all you lot puts Froome 10-15 watts down if he's seated and contador a lot more watts consumed when he's out of the saddle! Hence why Froome is a much greyer shade than the graphite spaniard!

 

[peloton]

Lol - it took me the first paragraph. Fortunately he only references his laws of bullsh1t - mine came courtesy of Newton, Maxwell etc. I am no biologist but without physics there would be no chemistry never mind biology!

How does your Newton, Maxwell etc theory explain the transformation that's never, ever seen in a sport that has been riddled with doping, happen to a rider in couple of weeks?

Talent shows early on, in all sports...

Kwiatkowski seems like a very nice guy and a huge talent. It's funny, I remember racing the Junior Peace Race with him and [my team-mate] Rafa Majka, and they just dominated. It's reassuring that being a talent back then, as juniors, is enough to do the same as a pro.

http://rouleur.cc/journal/racing/nick-time

 

[Gavandope]

How does your Newton, Maxwell etc theory explain the transformation that's never, ever seen in a sport that has been riddled with doping, happen to a rider in couple of weeks?

Talent shows early on, in all sports...


http://rouleur.cc/journal/racing/nick-time

I can't disagree with that - Le Mond a prime example. Suspicious - absolutely. Definitive - not quite there for me.

But as always I try to look at it from a purely physics and mechanics standpoint tossing everything else aside to analyse what I see. There are discrepancies in the climbing data between these two riders who are pretty much polar opposites in style - one who is much stronger than the other despite being far more inefficient than the other rider. Froomes horrible style above his waist is undoubtedly very efficient, probably the most I've ever seen. Both recovering from injury and off the bike. One gradually getting stronger on a curve of improvement. The other who seems like despite his layoff rides like he never fell off!

 

[LaFlorecita]

Lol - I might be new around here but isn't contador doped up been a forgone conclusion and not up for discussion here? Froome with his dead still riding style on the seat saving him 10-15 watts means him doping is debatable whereas the paella samba peddler out of seat dazzling all adds probably 20 watts more!

You are ignoring the influence the pedalling style might have on the watt output. Contador might lose 20 watts by bouncing left and right, but while riding in the saddle he might lose 50 watts in power

 

[Gavandope]

You are ignoring the influence the pedalling style might have on the watt output. Contador might lose 20 watts by bouncing left and right, but while riding in the saddle he might lose 50 watts in power

I'm also ignoring the influence that Contador is probably the Clinic's guilty secret and indulgence. We all know he dopes but he looks absolutely fantastic on the bike doing it. If we had a choice of the peloton being either consisting mostly of riders with the Spaniards style and panache or Froome's there would only be one winner

Great artists at sport cloud the emotions over logic. In may case to name some other pairs of other sports artists:

Tennis - Federer, McEnroe
Cricket - Viv Richards, Michael Holding
Football - Diego Maradona, Paul Gascoigne
Athetics- Carl Lewis, Daley Thompson

Alberto is in my list of artists along with Pantani. One who I love to watch, and no matter how dark grey he is regarding doping he will never ever be black. Everything in life just isn't black and white, its far too complicated for that..

 

[Angliru]

Lol - it took me the first paragraph. Fortunately he only references his laws of bullsh1t - mine came courtesy of Newton, Maxwell etc. I am no biologist but without physics there would be no chemistry never mind biology, and any physicist who compares the dreadful boring mannequin above the waist style of Froome with the beautiful swinging style of contador will tell you that Alberto's excessive motion needs to be factored into climbing data just like Froomes lack of motion aside from his pedalling has to be factored into his stats also. Which in my admittedly virgin knowledge of cycling compared to all you lot puts Froome 10-15 watts down if he's seated and contador a lot more watts consumed when he's out of the saddle! Hence why Froome is a much greyer shade than the graphite spaniard!

How do you explain Froome's ungainly style when he's accelerating out of the saddle? All elbows and knees--is that anymore inefficient than Contador's out of saddle accelerations? Both spend time in and out of the saddle during their attacks.

 

[Gavandope]

How do you explain Froome's ungainly style when he's accelerating out of the saddle? All elbows and knees--is that anymore inefficient than Contador's out of saddle accelerations? Both spend time in and out of the saddle during their attacks.

Take the stage yesterday as an example when he was out of the saddle at the end with Aru alongside him in the video up to the line - you'll clearly notice his movements are far more measured and restrained than Aru applying his power which clearly conserves energy. Contador is way more looser than Aru!

I don't like his style to watch as a fan though - he's the Ivan Lendl of cycling, a machine that's incredibly effective but awful on the eyes. Give me a McEnroe or Federer type any day for eye candy, doped or not

 

[RownhamHill]

That's the joke.

Anyway, he doesn't apply the same logic to Horner because his argument is based around depression. Duh.

This.

Also, Cobo wasn't in his forties when he won his one and only GT.

That said I don't think I've ever really thrown Horner under the bus, except possibly in this post and my previous one, and that wasn't an intentional attack on him. Just with regards to Cobo, from my limited understanding he's obviously a talented athlete who has trouble fulfilling his potential due to illness - regardless of whether he's doping or not. I don't think that's a particularly difficult or incredible concept to believe. That's all I really was questioning.

 

[Angliru]

Take the stage yesterday as an example when he was out of the saddle at the end with Aru alongside him in the video up to the line - you'll clearly notice his movements are far more measured and restrained than Aru applying his power which clearly conserves energy. Contador is way more looser than Aru!

I don't like his style to watch as a fan though - he's the Ivan Lendl of cycling, a machine that's incredibly effective but awful on the eyes. Give me a McEnroe or Federer type any day for eye candy, doped or not

No two athletes are the same and efficiency of motion or effort can only do so much to combat the differences in natural physical ability of each rider. Are we to believe that Froome is just naturally superior in every way to his rivals? Blessed with a wealth of god-given talent that there were no hints of prior to 2011?

All that said, how does one reconcile that his climbing times and wattages are comparable or surpass those of riders that were on the juice? Superior science? The marginal gains? He's a once in a lifetime talent?

 

[58teeth]

So what's happening in the hotel room tonight...or have they already infused for the big showdown?

Do they typically take additional supplements the night before a big stage like this? What WOULD they take?

 

[the sceptic]

So what's happening in the hotel room tonight...or have they already infused for the big showdown?

Do they typically take additional supplements the night before a big stage like this? What WOULD they take?

for Contador I imagine he will drink a cup of coffee. Maybe have some nutella.

Dawg is probably signing his 15 TUEs to get ready for the alien attacks.