Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[Escarabajo]

How about this for a conspiracy theory? I believe AC wasn't on the Disco program in 2009 because LA wasn't going to have it. Lance never intended to work for AC and never intended for AC to have a shot at the race. I think AC had his own program from the moment he knew LA was coming back, if not before.

I am not sure if I call it a conspiracy theory. This was probably more likely to happen.

 

[Escarabajo]

I haven't been in the clinic for a while but decided to pop in and see what the talk is on Alberto Contador.

I believe that last year was the first time we have seen Alberto Contador riding clean or at least relatively clean. Unable to keep up with clean guys like Lauren's Ten Dam and Bauke Mollema, last years results were extremely humbling for Alberto.

Was a former champion going to get used to being middle of the pack ? A lot would have went through Alberto's mind at the back end of 2013. If he had a mediocre year again in 2014, then it would be too late to get back on the juice in 2015 (simply because it would have too damn obvious to everyone). And also his legacy of GT victories would be under serious threat (even though it already was after his 2013 results).

I had suspected that Alberto would be going back to his old tricks for 2014. Sure enough Alberto's results from the beginning of the season have been just as I had expected and feared. Perhaps Alberto has found a breakthrough in his training program ? For my money, I have a strong suspicion that Alberto has been back on the juice since the start of the season. To me it was a very predictable scenario for Alberto. He was never going to settle for the same results as 2013. Alberto has never liked coming 2nd, let alone 5th or 20th. But that is just my opinion.

I will now continue reading through the last 50 or 100 pages.

I think he changed doctors and therefore programs. 2014 program is a just better.

 

[RownhamHill]

Most likely or not. The blood doping theory was never ruled out and do you really think, that a guy that used to have the most sophisticated doping program in the history of sports (i.e. the Disco program) backing him, would go clean and then proceeds to break the all time climbing record for VAM?

Yeah, not buying that theory.

To be fair, the steak story was never ruled out either; having examined the detailed evidence CAS found both theories equally improbable.

 

[Walkman]

I am not sure if I call it a conspiracy theory. This was probably more likely to happen.

This in interesting i think. Did Contador got pushed out of the team program in 2009? And what about Levi? He was really solid in the TTT and seemed to be in shape before his crash, was he too push out or was he going to bow down to Armstrong even though he probably were stronger than him?

 

[Energy Starr]

This in interesting i think. Did Contador got pushed out of the team program in 2009? And what about Levi? He was really solid in the TTT and seemed to be in shape before his crash, was he too push out or was he going to bow down to Armstrong even though he probably were stronger than him?

I think Levi would always bow to LA. He knew where his bread was buttered. I believe LA controlled everything and thus wasn't about to let AC have the team's best program. The 2009 tour remains to me AC's best race ever. He basically won the race having to race against his own team in addition to all the other teams. I still wonnder what LA was thinking when AC went against team orders and whooped his a$$!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Just curious, why do you think Popo and Levi was "obviously" on the team program while Contador had his own?

Thanks to the last Fuentes trial, we know Spain's government supports doping. It may as well be Kazakhstan.

 

[bigcog]

Thanks to the last Fuentes trial, we know Spain's government supports doping. It may as well be Kazakhstan.

Too many vested interests to have it come out, football, tennis, plus the cyclists.

 

[laurel1969]

So, Contador is currently destroying the best riders in the world even though he hadn't raced since July and had a broken leg.

Unrepentant convicted doper. Winning a GT.

Good to see everybody is protesting about it at the top of their voices and that this forum is dominated by this issue.

 

[Bratam]

Thanks to the last Fuentes trial, we know Spain's government supports doping. It may as well be Kazakhstan.

People are no longer surprised to see Spain's athletes making a meteoric rise to the top of various sporting disciplines over the past 10-15 years.

Same goes for Jamaica, the water is very special over there.

England's meteoric rise is hard to guage. We know they have spent a lot of money, but still ..

And then there are countries that have been in decline .. Germany - a country that in some ways is the complete opposite of Spain. Very strong anti doping ethos. Likewise France.

 

[Ferminal]

Not sure what he has to be repentant about J, given it was largely the fault of his supplement manufacturer.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

He's been a doper winning GT's for years. Most people seem to realize it
On the other hand, he's already been convicted (light, don't get me wrong) but that's more of a punishment than sooooooo many others have received

 

[sniper]

...
And then there are countries that have been in decline .. Germany - a country that in some ways is the complete opposite of Spain. Very strong anti doping ethos.

good luck finding evidence to support that statement other than ZDF/ARD cancelling coverage of the TDF.

 

[laurel1969]

He's been a doper winning GT's for years.

...and still is. Doesn't seem to have deterred him. More outspoken condemnation needed.

On the other hand, he's already been convicted (light, don't get me wrong) but that's more of a punishment than sooooooo many others have received

Remember, they have to be caught first.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

They have to be caught before what?
I'm more worried about riders that have NOT been caught and are considered clean by the general public/media (Voigt is an example) than those that have been caught
Is that so weird?

 

[laurel1969]

That's what I'm getting at.

 

[the sceptic]

Yes, too bad. The vuelta was so much better with credible winners like Cobo and Horner

 

[RownhamHill]

People are no longer surprised to see Spain's athletes making a meteoric rise to the top of various sporting disciplines over the past 10-15 years.

Same goes for Jamaica, the water is very special over there.

England's meteoric rise is hard to guage. We know they have spent a lot of money, but still ..

And then there are countries that have been in decline .. Germany - a country that in some ways is the complete opposite of Spain. Very strong anti doping ethos. Likewise France.

Marcel Kittel, John Degenkolb, and the German football team all say hello.

 

[RownhamHill]

Yes, too bad. The vuelta was so much better with credible winners like Cobo and Horner

I don't think there's much particularly non credible about Cobo - from what I've read (here probably) he suffers with the illness of depression, and as a result his career was very up and down. So the picture of guy struggling with illness, but when he gets his head clear he can express his talent before dropping off (regardless of whether he's doping or not), seems a lot more credible to me than the alternative, which seems to be: guy dopes a bit, stops, dopes massively for one race, wins, then stops again. Which doesn't make much sense on the face of it.

Unless you're saying because he's Spanish he must be a doper?

 

[The Hitch]

And then there are countries that have been in decline .. Germany - a country that in some ways is the complete opposite of Spain. Very strong anti doping ethos.

I hope you are joking.

 

[The Hitch]

I don't think there's much particularly non credible about Cobo - from what I've read (here probably) he suffers with the illness of depression, and as a result his career was very up and down. So the picture of guy struggling with illness, but when he gets his head clear he can express his talent before dropping off (regardless of whether he's doping or not), seems a lot more credible to me than the alternative, which seems to be: guy dopes a bit, stops, dopes massively for one race, wins, then stops again. Which doesn't make much sense on the face of it.

Why did you stop at Cobo. Why not extend that logic to Horner. Its the same. He never tested positive ergo you believe its possible for him to be clean.

 

[Netserk]

Why did you stop at Cobo. Why not extend that logic to Horner. Its the same. He never tested positive ergo you believe its possible for him to be clean.

But, but, but Cobo never did something like this with another doper

 

[Bag of Guts]

But, but, but Cobo never did something like this with another doper

Um...

 

[hrotha]

That's the joke.

Anyway, he doesn't apply the same logic to Horner because his argument is based around depression. Duh.

 

[the sceptic]

well even if depression might have contributed to his bust im not sure how its supposed to explain his transformation.

 

[red_flanders]

...and still is. Doesn't seem to have deterred him. More outspoken condemnation needed.

There are only 2500 posts on this thread. Let us know when your campaign to rectify the terrible discrepancy between posts pointing out Contador is a doper and Froome is a doper is completed.