Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[SeriousSam]

I'm thinking that the most potent enhancement takes place during training these days, not competition. They might be microdosing EPO though, which is believed to be consistent with a non-suspicious bio passport.

 

[LaFlorecita]

for Contador I imagine he will drink a cup of coffee. Maybe have some nutella.

Dawg is probably signing his 15 TUEs to get ready for the alien attacks.

Nice one

 

[Walkman]

for Contador I imagine he will drink a cup of coffee. Maybe have some nutella.

Dawg is probably signing his 15 TUEs to get ready for the alien attacks.

That's odd, I am sure I just saw Alberto sneak in at the local steakhouse...

 

[Gavandope]

No two athletes are the same and efficiency of motion or effort can only do so much to combat the differences in natural physical ability of each rider. Are we to believe that Froome is just naturally superior in every way to his rivals? Blessed with a wealth of god-given talent that there were no hints of prior to 2011?

All that said, how does one reconcile that his climbing times and wattages are comparable or surpass those of riders that were on the juice? Superior science? The marginal gains? He's a once in a lifetime talent?

Of course no two athletes are the same, but as I've said I'm looking at it from a purely physics and mechanics standpoint. Solely using those laws it is very apparent that Froome's stance both sitting and raised conserves more energy than the others, and Alberto's is likely to be one of the most excessive wasting energy. If you make less changes to energy consumption and consume it at a constant linear rate as possible you also save energy. Accelerations and bursts of energy consumption waste more than a steady rate. This is all basic physics applied to how he rides his bike and these wattages produced by Vayer etc seem to not take his stance and overall conservation into account and perhaps need some adjustment in the region of anywhere between 10-15, possibly even 20 watts deducted. Alberto's probably need the opposite which puts his wattages further into the red.

Your counterpoints are valid, many I do agree with, I've already said I have my suspicions about Froome more than once and I don't believe in miracles either. Though Froome has pedalled his way steadily back to fitness from injury in this vuelta yet Alberto seems like he never lost an ounce of his. Truly a miracle.

 

[SeriousSam]

I highly doubt it's the denominator that's impressive in Froome's power to aero drag ratio.

 

[Gavandope]

I'm thinking that the most potent enhancement takes place during training these days, not competition. They might be microdosing EPO though, which is believed to be consistent with a non-suspicious bio passport.

Might be? Nano not micro dosing EPO which masks the small amounts of re infused blood. Smaller transfusions probably in the 200ml region...

 

[peloton]

Of course no two athletes are the same, but as I've said I'm looking at it from a purely physics and mechanics standpoint. Solely using those laws it is very apparent that Froome's stance both sitting and raised conserves more energy than the others, and Alberto's is likely to be one of the most excessive wasting energy. If you make less changes to energy consumption and consume it at a constant linear rate as possible you also save energy. Accelerations and bursts of energy consumption waste more than a steady rate. This is all basic physics applied to how he rides his bike and these wattages produced by Vayer etc seem to not take his stance and overall conservation into account and perhaps need some adjustment in the region of anywhere between 10-15, possibly even 20 watts deducted. Alberto's probably need the opposite which puts his wattages further into the red.

Your counterpoints are valid, many I do agree with, I've already said I have my suspicions about Froome more than once and I don't believe in miracles either. Though Froome has pedalled his way steadily back to fitness from injury in this vuelta yet Alberto seems like he never lost an ounce of his. Truly a miracle.

How many riders do you see doing seated attacks on a climb? Spin like mental?


Froome popped out of nowhere, when he was 26.

Contador, Quintana and Nibali had won a GT by that age.
No one is arguing they are clean, but they at least had the talent early on. They were winning races since kids. Froome? Pushing sprinters after flat tires

 

[oldcrank]

How many riders do you see doing seated attacks on a climb? Spin like mental?

Charly Gaul for one, my friend.

 

[The Hitch]

You are ignoring the influence the pedalling style might have on the watt output. Contador might lose 20 watts by bouncing left and right, but while riding in the saddle he might lose 50 watts in power

I don't see how someone with Contador's tt ability should be losing that much power from sitting down, considering in itt's on the flats he's sitting down most of the time, in a far less comfortable position but has no problem getting the watts out.

 

[Gavandope]

Marca's article on his recovery post injury.

https://translate.googleusercontent...6.html&usg=ALkJrhgPAKk-E2mh4ouGWgQ9F9LyvByXjQ

 

[LaFlorecita]

I don't see how someone with Contador's tt ability should be losing that much power from sitting down, considering in itt's on the flats he's sitting down most of the time, in a far less comfortable position but has no problem getting the watts out.

If that was true De Jongh would have tied him to his saddle by now.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Marca's article on his recovery post injury.

https://translate.googleusercontent...6.html&usg=ALkJrhgPAKk-E2mh4ouGWgQ9F9LyvByXjQ

 

[Gavandope]

Would love an English translation of the whole lot - one bit I did understand was the doctor saying it was a miracle and he'd never seen anything like it in treating athletes his whole career.

 

[The Hitch]

I think it's appropriate you posted this in the clinic

 

[The Hitch]

If that was true De Jongh would have tied him to his saddle by now.

He probably continues to climb out of the saddle because when you are that far into the pain barrier, you are better off just riding how feels best.

 

[darwin553]

I think we can safely say that Contador has been doped up to the hills this year. I look forward to dancing on his grave when (not if) he gets caught (again).

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think we can safely say that Contador has been doped up to the hills this year. I look forward to dancing on his grave when (not if) he gets caught (again).

Good for you.

 

[sniper]

I think we can safely say that Contador has been doped up to the hills this year. I look forward to dancing on his grave when (not if) he gets caught (again).

it's if, not when.
why would uci want him exposed?
he ensures massive amounts of viewers and publicity.
he's probably the #1 attraction.
plus, he has all the resources to fly below the BP radar.
perhaps somebody snitches on him, you never know.
but i don't think he'll ever test positive again.

 

[LaFlorecita]

it's if, not when.
why would uci want him exposed?
he ensures massive amounts of viewers and publicity.
he's probably the #1 attraction.
plus, he has all the resources to fly below the BP radar.
perhaps somebody snitches on him, you never know.
but i don't think he'll ever test positive again.

I'm not sure.

Maybe Cookson wants a British TDF winner again next year.

But I think it's almost certain he'll get outed by someone at some point. Ex-teammate, staff member, Hog, who knows.

 

[sniper]

Maybe Cookson wants a British TDF winner again next year.

but to achieve that he doesn't have to let contador test positive.
he can send out letters, have contador's teammates test positive, etc.
plenty of better options for Cookson if that's his goal.

But I think it's almost certain he'll get outed by someone at some point. Ex-teammate, staff member, Hog, who knows.

well, bruyneel no doubt has lots of beans to spill wrt Contador's astana period, but what purpose would that serve? UCI will point out that Alberto has served his ban for that period already.
Doping in general is probably much more individual and secret now than it was a few years ago.
I'd be surprised if we get any intel on Contador's current doping regime.

 

[mrhender]

but to achieve that he doesn't have to let contador test positive.
he can send out letters, have contador's teammates test positive, etc.
plenty of better options for Cookson if that's his goal.

He could also weaken his team by dragging out BP-cases of the next-best rider on TS for years... Change the rules as you go...
Leaving the team no option than to spend salary and... Oh wait!!

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I think we can safely say that Contador has been doped up to the hills this year.

No shiit, and he still has to podium GdL and win Beijing.

I don't remember him ever being this good for this long in one season - also considering his injury. He just keeps going and going.

 

[laurel1969]

Somebody will be along in a moment to call you a Sky 'bot' and say you are just trying to deflect attention from Froome

 

[mrhender]

Yup... Proof is here.. Juiced up since 2011

 

[LaFlorecita]

He could also weaken his team by dragging out BP-cases of the next-best rider on TS for years... Change the rules as you go...
Leaving the team no option than to spend salary and... Oh wait!!

Majka, Mick and Ivan are next on the list...