Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[laurel1969]

Contador is old school omerta...try not to say anything at all, but if you do and its a big name just be bland. If its a nobody then under the bus they go.

Sky say an awful lot, and so if they know they have dopers, which is likely, they are hypocrites.

I can't see that one is worse than the other.

 

[The Hitch]

English Irish Portuguese Colombians Dutch Vino Hamilton Landis the guys caught this week
The culture has not changed, the rules and the protocols have. Better science from testers has required better science from "trainers".

OK carry on with arguing that your guy is clean and would win everything if it wasn't for all those damn dirty dopers.

The sky fans take it a step further and argue that their guys win everything clean despite all those damn dirty dopers

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador is old school omerta...try not to say anything at all, but if you do and its a big name just be bland. If its a nobody then under the bus they go.

Sky say an awful lot, and so if they know they have dopers, which is likely, they are hypocrites.

I can't see that one is worse than the other.

He's always stuck between a rock and a hard place. Defend the rider - get attacked for omerta. Attack the rider - get attacked for hypocrisy. He has to be bland.

The only time Contador was very outspoken about a doping case he got attacked by every cycling fan in existence. I felt bad for him. Poor guy.

Hint: Lance

 

[The Hitch]

Really? Come on, this isn't news to you.

http://www.abc.es/videos-deportes/20110128/contador-considero-ejemplo-limpieza-767561428001.html
http://www.dalealplay.com/videos/Alberto-Contador-defiende-en-la-Noria-su-inocencia_277428
http://archivo.marca.com/edicion/marca/ciclismo/tour/es/desarrollo/666877.html
http://ciclismo.as.com/ciclismo/2011/11/25/mas_ciclismo/1322228581_850215.html

There's a difference between claiming to be clean when explicitly asked about it or put on the back foot, and launching a full on propaganda campaign in which sellout writers and liggets compete with team employees and riders to discover who can create the most ridiculous argument for cleanliness and every win is praised and romanticised as a victory for clean sport.

 

[the sceptic]

The sky fans take it a step further and argue that their guys win everything clean despite all those damn dirty dopers

surprised they havent jumped at the opportunity to say the reason why Froome didnt win the vuelta was because Contador started doping again, which also explains why the clean Froome beat the clean Contador last year.

 

[hrotha]

There's a difference between claiming to be clean when explicitly asked about it or put on the back foot, and launching a full on propaganda campaign in which sellout writers and liggets compete with team employees and riders to discover who can create the most ridiculous argument for cleanliness and every win is praised as romanticised as a victory for clean sport.

I guess you weren't in Spain during Contador's post-clen positive PR campaign.

 

[No_Balls]

Those examples are when he's asked. Those are the opportunities. He takes them.

And once again: what was the option? Can you mention any rider out there who would say they were dirty as **** and surrounds themselves with dirty people?

I didn't say he's just as bad as Sky. As Hitch pointed out several times, Contador doesn't attack dopers, so he's not as hypocritical in that regard. But the notion that Contador doesn't spout clean cycling propaganda, which I see repeated here often, is completely absurd.

Whats absurd is to post four links dated back to 2006-2011 and satirical claiming this to be "beacon of clean cycling". This as a response to Contador the cyclist when Hugh speaked about his fans who rarely (if ever) uses him as the face of clean cycling.

Since you barely visit the Froome-thread, and when doing so, takes the approach to "reason" and "understand" unlike this very outraged response, you would have known why even doing this is completely absurd. But i guess your agenda prevents this.

And as a final insult to peoples intelligence you try to trick people believing you are "mad" and "outraged" at Froome.

 

[hrotha]

No_Balls, you have no idea what you're talking about. Read my ****ing posts in the Sky thread.

I did miss the "fans" bit in Hugh's post. My mistake. I don't think that changes much, though.
edit: I'll add Froome to my personal collection of riders I've been accused of being a fanboy of. I'll put him between Contador and Valverde.

 

[djpbaltimore]

surprised they havent jumped at the opportunity to say the reason why Froome didnt win the vuelta was because Contador started doping again, which also explains why the clean Froome beat the clean Contador last year.

So... now sky fans are being pilloried for arguments that they aren't making? Maybe you haven't hear that argument because your boogeyman 'skybots' don't exist on this board.

Contador was the class of the Vuelta. Whether his superiority over Froome was was due to legal or illegal means is complete conjecture.

 

[BYOP88]

No_Balls, you have no idea what you're talking about. Read my ****ing posts in the Sky thread.

I did miss the "fans" bit in Hugh's post. My mistake. I don't think that changes much, though.
edit: I'll add Froome to my personal collection of riders I've been accused of being a fanboy of. I'll put him between Contador and Valverde.

Big day for you man! One day I hope to be called a Dawg fanboy(I have Dirty Bertie and Piti badges). Right now I'm very jealous of you. Keep living the dream you lucky son of a gun!!!

 

[The Hitch]

I guess you weren't in Spain during Contador's post-clen positive PR campaign.

I was. I even posted you a field report of contador turning up at the vuelta presentation and getting cheered

But lets put it this way. Is anyone in the media anywhere greeting contadors win as a victory for clean sport and contador being promoted as someone "everyone knows is clean". Is riis saying he knows contador is clean because "if you watch Armstrong Armstrong looked like he was going faster". Is Tinkov saying you know contador is clean because he took time on his rivals in the time trial whereas the real litmus test of doping is sucking in tts?

 

[The Hitch]

Since you barely visit the Froome-thread, and when doing so, takes the approach to "reason" and "understand" unlike this very outraged response, you would have known why even doing this is completely absurd. But i guess your agenda prevents this.

And as a final insult to peoples intelligence you try to trick people believing you are "mad" and "outraged" at Froome.

Good lord

 

[Hugh Januss]

That is absolutely false. Contador cries out about being a beacon of clean cycling at every opportunity.

I hope that's a general "you" and not really addressed to me.

Originally Posted by Hugh Januss View Post
They both hire the same people, the ones who get results. Only one side's fans bang on about being clean.

It was not addressed only to you, no.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I'm sick of Froome and Contador fans whitewashing what their respective heros say and do. This is not Good Froome vs Evil Contador, nor the other way around. This is fanboys defending their doper of choice with lame tu quoque arguments.

See that? I knew you actually understood the meaning of my rant.

 

[djpbaltimore]

I was. I even posted you a field report of contador turning up at the vuelta presentation and getting cheered

But lets put it this way. Is anyone in the media anywhere greeting contadors win as a victory for clean sport and contador being promoted as someone "everyone knows is clean". Is riis saying he knows contador is clean because "if you watch Armstrong Armstrong looked like he was going faster". Is Tinkov saying you know contador is clean because he took time on his rivals in the time trial whereas the real litmus test of doping is sucking in tts?

That is a false equivalency. Because of Contador's ban, the perception of him by the cycling public can probably never be of a champion of clean cycling. The beauty of a being a relatively blank slate like Armstrong circa 1999 and Froome circa 2013 is that the media can paint any picture it wants to fit their narrative, which may have little or no basis in reality. Contador's ban doesn't make him a worse doper IMO, but it definitely colors opinion and perception of him in way that Froome doesn't have to deal with.

 

[SeriousSam]

Before the tour, there was a daily mail headline that went something to the effect of "Clean Chris needs to beat dirty drug cheat Contador to save Clean Cycling from the Apocalypse "

 

[Netserk]

That is a false equivalency. Because of Contador's ban, the perception of him by the cycling public can probably never be of a champion of clean cycling. The beauty of a being a relatively blank slate like Armstrong circa 1999 and Froome circa 2013 is that the media can paint any picture it wants to fit their narrative, which may have little or no basis in reality. Contador's ban doesn't make him a worse doper IMO, but it definitely colors opinion and perception of him in way that Froome doesn't have to deal with.

So did anyone greet Contador's wins as a victory for clean sport and promote him as someone "everyone knows is clean" before he was tested positive?

 

[gooner]

On the day Contador's ban was announced, he was getting a round of applause by the media assembled when he walked in to start his press conference and give his reaction to it.

A couple of days ago, there was a AS journalist in an article saying "Contador's win put a smile on our somewhat downcast sport."

Froome and Wiggins have played the clean card and the media have gone along with it but don't think Contador hasn't done similar with the media support.

 

[Netserk]

On the day Contador's ban was announced, he was getting a round of applause by the media assembled when he walked in to start his press conference and give his reaction to it.

A couple of days ago, there was a AS journalist in an article saying "Contador's win put a smile on our somewhat downcast sport."

Froome and Wiggins have played the clean card and the media have gone along with it but don't think Contador hasn't done similar with the media support.

Are you really comparing your two examples with the 'clean card'?

He is popular. He is an active legend. It's not the same as playing the 'clean card'.

 

[gooner]

Before the tour, there was a daily mail headline that went something to the effect of "Clean Chris needs to beat dirty drug cheat Contador to save Clean Cycling from the Apocalypse "

I remember that. Matt Lawton wrote it.

 

[SeriousSam]

On the day Contador's ban was announced, he was getting a round of applause by the media assembled when he walked in to start his press conference and give his reaction to it.

A couple of days ago, there was a AS journalist in an article saying "Contador's win put a smile on our somewhat downcast sport."

Froome and Wiggins have played the clean card and the media have gone along with it but don't think Contador hasn't done similar with the media support.

I'm curious whether the media (and not just the British, I'm just using them as an example because I don't read any other) are actually completely ignorant about doping or whether they know what they're doing but choose to act as if because the median member of their target audience is completely ignorant about doping.

I mean, the BBC won't miss a chance to let us know Gatlin is a drug cheat who shouldn't even be competing according to "many" yet they have Michael Johnson providing sprint commentary.

 

[veganrob]

That is a false equivalency. Because of Contador's ban, the perception of him by the cycling public can probably never be of a champion of clean cycling. The beauty of a being a relatively blank slate like Armstrong circa 1999 and Froome circa 2013 is that the media can paint any picture it wants to fit their narrative, which may have little or no basis in reality. Contador's ban doesn't make him a worse doper IMO, but it definitely colors opinion and perception of him in way that Froome doesn't have to deal with.

Difference of course being the media did not paint the picture. Team Sky and Brailsford painted a huge masterpiece, or so they thought, and shouted and touted for all to see and hear.
Helps of course that Sky is one of the biggest media outlets in the world to put across the message. But they did not paint it.

 

[gooner]

Are you really comparing your two examples with the 'clean card'?

He is popular. He is an active legend. It's not the same as playing the 'clean card'.

You mean so popular he had the support of the media with a round of applause hours after a ban dished out. Contador's clean and victim card washed.

 

[Netserk]

You mean so popular he had the support of the media with a round of applause hours after a ban dished out. Contador's clean and victim card washed.

What did that have to do with being clean/painted as someone who is clean??? Nothing. Everything to do with him being popular, even in 'hard times'.

 

[gooner]

What did that have to do with being clean/painted as someone who is clean??? Nothing. Everything to do with him being popular, even in 'hard times'.

Are you for real?

It was clear what that applause meant.