Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[the sceptic]

I'm curious whether the media (and not just the British, I'm just using them as an example because I don't read any other) are actually completely ignorant about doping or whether they know what they're doing but choose to act as if because the median member of their target audience is completely ignorant about doping.

I mean, the BBC won't miss a chance to let us know Gatlin is a drug cheat who shouldn't even be competing according to "many" yet they have Michael Johnson providing sprint commentary.

The media doesnt care about what is true or analyzing things logically.

They care about profit, so they will push the agenda that people want to hear. (or the agenda the media owners want people to hear)

The british medias treatment of sky is a good example. They have no problem pushing the marginal gains propaganda and lap up everything coming from Sky/Brailfraud. The result is obvious, just take a look at bikeretard.

However, when contradictions and lies appear, all we get is silence.

 

[djpbaltimore]

So did anyone greet Contador's wins as a victory for clean sport and promote him as someone "everyone knows is clean" before he was tested positive?

There are three reasons why that was unlikely to happen. Guilt by association from the lingering stench of Operation Puerto (which happened before all his major victories). Competing on a team that already had a checkered doping history. The blank slate also works well on a team level for squads like SKY and early USPS. And his main combatant for the title in 2007, Rasmussen, was thrown out of the race under doping suspicions as you recall. Hard to label it a new fresh, beginning with all that subtext.

Difference of course being the media did not paint the picture. Team Sky and Brailsford painted a huge masterpiece, or so they thought, and shouted and touted for all to see and hear.
Helps of course that Sky is one of the biggest media outlets in the world to put across the message. But they did not paint it.

Having the biggest bullhorn is always helpful in getting your message across. If the media didn't paint the picture themselves, they are complicit in lapping up the spoonfed narrative.

 

[laurel1969]

I must have clicked on the wrong thread. I thought I'd clicked on a Contador thread.

No matter, I'll risk enraging the Contador fanbois by asking if anybody knows what the Spanish media response to Contador is. Any questioning? Is the doping question even asked? We know Spain's Prime Minister tried to intervene in Contadors dope bust, and we know the Spanish fed did everything they could to try and bury it but what about the media?

 

[BYOP88]

I must have clicked on the wrong thread. I thought I'd clicked on a Contador thread.

No matter, I'll risk enraging the Contador fanbois by asking if anybody knows what the Spanish media response to Contador is. Any questioning? Is the doping question even asked? We know Spain's Prime Minister tried to intervene in Contadors dope bust, and we know the Spanish fed did everything they could to try and bury it but what about the media?

I guess they're like the British, Italian etc etc media.

 

[red_flanders]

Who are you addressing this to, Hughj? The participants of this thread or the World? I've not read anybody here claiming cleanliness for Contador or Froome, although doubtless the whole of Spain, including the prime minister and Spanish cycling federation will tell you that Contador is pure as the driven snow, just as Kenyans sorry I mean British might be predisposed to trust Froome.

I don't think anybody in this thread does, though, do you?

12% of respondents to this poll (http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=22302) stated they believe Froome to be clean or are not sure.

As you read the comments, those in the "not sure" camp include vigorous defenders of Froome across many threads, yet somehow never stating what they really think of Froome.

As has been outlined in this thread as the "new bot software" I believe.

 

[laurel1969]

That just sounds a bit....err....paranoid frankly. Not very helpful either. Possibly only existing in your mind too. For the life of me I haven't seen any vigorous defence of Froome being clean. Granted I might have missed posts or threads.

 

[SeriousSam]

I take it you regularly read the clinic prior to joining in August 2014?

 

[laurel1969]

I guess they're like the British, Italian etc etc media.

I've no idea, which is why I'm asking. I don't speak Spanish and I don't follow Spanish press.

I can talk about British media, and I'd say the libel laws stifle discussion of unproven potential cheats, regardless of the sport. I think the general public have a healthy cynisism about cycling. Everybody who knows me knows about my involvement in cycling, and one of the first comments is usually about doping. This has been the case for decades not just since Armstrong.

When a British athlete is caught, the reaction in the media varies according to certain prejudices. When Chambers was caught he was vilified. Being a rather sinister looking black guy probably didn't help. Diane Modahl got an easier ride.

 

[laurel1969]

I take it you regularly read the clinic prior to joining in August 2014?

Nope

I'm talking about current discussion. Current meaning the last couple of weeks.

 

[BYOP88]

I've no idea, which is why I'm asking. I don't speak Spanish and I don't follow Spanish press.

I can talk about British media, and I'd say the libel laws stifle discussion of unproven potential cheats, regardless of the sport. I think the general public have a healthy cynisism about cycling. Everybody who knows me knows about my involvement in cycling, and one of the first comments is usually about doping. This has been the case for decades not just since Armstrong.

When a British athlete is caught, the reaction in the media varies according to certain prejudices. When Chambers was caught he was vilified. Being a rather sinister looking black guy probably didn't help. Diane Modahl got an easier ride.

When a rider or manager comes out with something then 6 months later contradicts what they previously said, do the (British) press call these people out or do they just write the new PR junk?

 

[laurel1969]

They would in football, certainly, but bike racing is still a minority sport. Bare coverage of just a handful of events and almost no discussion of internal sports politics.

 

[djpbaltimore]

12% of respondents to this poll (http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=22302) stated they believe Froome to be clean or are not sure.

As you read the comments, those in the "not sure" camp include vigorous defenders of Froome across many threads, yet somehow never stating what they really think of Froome.

As has been outlined in this thread as the "new bot software" I believe.

And more germane to this thread, nearly 18% thought Contador was clean or not sure. How does that dovetail with the notion suggested earlier in this thread that Contador fans are more realistic about the doping of their favorite rider?

 

[RownhamHill]

And more germane to this thread, nearly 18% thought Contador was clean or not sure. How does that dovetail with the notion suggested earlier in this thread that Contador fans are more realistic about the doping of their favorite rider?

Possibly even more germane to this thread is the poll above us right now that has 25% of people saying contador won't be juiced up on his return, so where the idea comes from that no one at all will defend contador I'm not sure.

Personally I'll defend both of them, despite having a strong affection for one as a rider, and a strong antipathy for the other. I wouldn't put my arm in the fire for either of them though.

 

[red_flanders]

Nope

I'm talking about current discussion. Current meaning the last couple of weeks.

Then there would be no basis for your comments about what I have and haven't seen happen on this forum for years.

Because most people here for one month make aggressive statements about what long-time posters do and don't know...

 

[red_flanders]

And more germane to this thread, nearly 18% thought Contador was clean or not sure. How does that dovetail with the notion suggested earlier in this thread that Contador fans are more realistic about the doping of their favorite rider?

Not particularly well.

However, I don't see anyone getting bent when someone points out that Contador is a doper. They might think he's clean but at least they recognize (apparently) why others think he's a doper.

Something Froome defenders seem not to want to allow for.

 

[red_flanders]

Possibly even more germane to this thread is the poll above us right now that has 25% of people saying contador won't be juiced up on his return, so where the idea comes from that no one at all will defend contador I'm not sure.

Probably from the fact that no one really does defend Contador, their personal beliefs aside? Just a wild guess...

 

[hrotha]

I don't know about those who voted that Froome might be clean but I can spot several people who were obviously trolling when they voted Contador was clean. Hell, jens_attacks voted that they both were clean, and "Everyone is cleans but Vino" was the second most voted option.

 

[red_flanders]

I don't know about those who voted that Froome might be clean but I can spot several people who were obviously trolling when they voted Contador was clean. Hell, jens_attacks voted that they both were clean, and "Everyone is cleans but Vino" was the second most voted option.

As it should have been. Vino option always does well.

 

[laurel1969]

Then there would be no basis for your comments about what I have and haven't seen happen on this forum for years.

Because most people here for one month make aggressive statements about what long-time posters do and don't know...

Forums being what they are, who said what three years ago is neither here nor there.

You are arguing with ghosts.

 

[Netbalp]

And once again: what was the option? Can you mention any rider out there who would say they were dirty as **** and surrounds themselves with dirty people?



Whats absurd is to post four links dated back to 2006-2011 and satirical claiming this to be "beacon of clean cycling". This as a response to Contador the cyclist when Hugh speaked about his fans who rarely (if ever) uses him as the face of clean cycling.

Since you barely visit the Froome-thread, and when doing so, takes the approach to "reason" and "understand" unlike this very outraged response, you would have known why even doing this is completely absurd. But i guess your agenda prevents this.

And as a final insult to peoples intelligence you try to trick people believing you are "mad" and "outraged" at Froome.

Why does Contador win this grand battle of hypocrisies and lies in your perception? Both are dopers, liars, ready to use any methods to get to the top. Nonetheless, one is an object worship whilst the other one is an object of total disdain. Сausal links never part this way, if sure anybody tries to find a grain of truth in all that stuff.

 

[No_Balls]

Why does Contador win this grand battle of hypocrisies and lies in your perception? Both are dopers, liars, ready to use any methods to get to the top. Nonetheless, one is an object worship whilst the other one is an object of total disdain. Сausal links never part this way, if sure anybody tries to find a grain of truth in all that stuff.

I dont think there is necesserary winners and losers here except believers in a clean sport. I do recognise that it is part of the great fraud when these kinds of riders says they are clean and believes in cleanliness (because, PR-wise, thats what the general public wants to hear) and that is a shame. But it is sport. From what i´ve seen i think the Sky/Froome approach has taken this a lot further and since at least two years back been the reference in the sport - which is not to say it would be any better if TS/Contador repeated this mantra. No one would believe that anyway.

As i have said many times. I dont dislike Froome/Sky because of the doping, i would be a hypocrite then. I dont really dislike anyone in the current pro peloton. I do dislike the part they play in what looks like establishing a new Omerta under the tutelage of Cookson. I didnt like the brat attitude from his book either, demonstrating a man who somehow could afford insulting the peloton and get away with it.

 

[sir fly]

Great to hear he'll target the double next season.
He really carries the spirit of the past to the present.

 

[mrhender]

Great to hear he'll target the double next season.
He really carries the spirit of the past to the present.

As in the present is all good, without Contador and his current succes?

And other more or less newcomers smashing the field is new clean era?

 

[sir fly]

As in the present is all good, without Contador and his current succes?

And other more or less newcomers smashing the field is new clean era?

That's exactly why we don't need the spirit of the past on top of it.
But the treble would be something new... Not seen yet.

 

[the sceptic]

Great to hear he'll target the double next season.
He really carries the spirit of the past to the present.

Finally a giro+tour winner we can believe in.