Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[Grand Tourist]

But are we not overlooking the obvious: that Contador is simply undermotivated and overweight (relative to his peak)?
The race could sure do with him being at his best

I'm hoping Contador finds some form by the time the race gets to the Alps but to be honest I don't think he's got much chance of getting any where near Froome.

I don't think he's doping now. He's on a massive, massive salary at Saxobank. Enough when the contracts over to retire very comfortably. He'd be insane to risk that.

 

[sniper]

He was beating the passport previously

wasn't the targeted testing in 2010 a result of a suspicious bloodprofile?

 

[webbie146]

He is skinnier than during his best years. Lower fat percentage. However I think his muscle mass has gone up.

I think he looks a bit heavier these days then back in 07 but I could def be wrong. Pretty hard to say.

 

[Parrot23]

He's on a massive, massive salary at Saxobank. Enough when the contracts over to retire very comfortably. He'd be insane to risk that.

Ditto with Cancellara at Trek (even the latter's agent boasts how generous his contract is).

It's also consistent with Contador moving to Switzerland. Strange, because by all accounts he was happy in Pinto. Attached to it. Likely thinking of retirement and the risk of confiscatory taxation in Spain, given the economy is dire there (tax revenues will be very weak as a result).

btw, he's pushing a much lower cadence during TT's than before--at least than when he beat Cancellara in that long Tour TT. Might be because he's away from Bruyneel's tutelage (re oxygen vector doping favours higher cadences, some think, with more stress on cardio system).

Froome, on his part, has always spun at a high cadence, pre and post-suspicion periods.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think he looks a bit heavier these days then back in 07 but I could def be wrong. Pretty hard to say.

That's what it looks like I agree. But after years of experience with Alberto pics I think I can conclude he got more muscular. His upper body and his arms seem to larger. Before 2010 he looked very frail. That's why he looks fatter now but he's actually lost some fat (to stay at the same weight I think). You can see it in his face.

 

[darwin553]

That's what it looks like I agree. But after years of experience with Alberto pics I think I can conclude he got more muscular. His upper body and his arms seem to larger. Before 2010 he looked very frail. That's why he looks fatter now but he's actually lost some fat (to stay at the same weight I think). You can see it in his face.

If he is more muscular wouldn't that make him more inclined to be better in the TT?

 

[LaFlorecita]

If he is more muscular wouldn't that make him more inclined to be better in the TT?

Upper body muscles aren't really gonna help in a tt. And of course he's still ridden some great tts (2011 giro, 2011 murcia, 2011 CyL, 2011 tour, 2012 Vuelta)

 

[Coolair2970]

Indeed.

I also suspect, with absolutely no evidence at all, that Riis is not QUITE as harcore as Bruyneel. Pure hunch.

One of my little bugbears is that we go so hard after doped riders (that's not the bugbear part, slap it up them)...but that we don't have similar viciousness to the DS.

To my mind what Riis did with his riders is morally worse than what he did with himself. Same with Bruyneel. True, Armstrong was such a c*** that he matched the crooked DS's in the evil stakes, but broadly speaking, much as i want all dopers in jail, I want crooked ds's serving twice the sentences.

And, BTW, that would go for Brailsford and Froome/wiggins too should they ever ping.

Just my bugbear, carry on.

I could be wrong, but I don't really think so. I can agree that there has been doping om Riis teams during the years, but I very sure it was nothing like US Postal.

I very sure that Riis knew but i also know him well enough to say that he would never pay for doping for his riders. Jaksche said the same in his testimony. Riis knew but I bought my doping my self i Madrid.

Same thing with Tyler. He even showed how much he paid Fuentes. Same thing with Basso, who was getting under suspicion because of money transfers.

The comes the big question. What should Riis have done if he wanted a team that could win anything. Tell riders not to dope or don't hire people that didn't dope. That wouldn't be a winning team.

I'm also very certain that doping stopped or at least was without telling the boss after 2006 Tour.

The another question pop up. Why is everybody after Riis and not after Andy Riis and his BMC outfit. The people behind BMC is more or less the same people that lead the most doping infested team in history.

Landis, Sevilla, Botero, Hamilton. Guettirez, and a few more. That was just in one season or let me say one Fuentes scandal.

Is it only ex doped riders that can't have doping on there teams or does the same rules apply for everybody?

 

[Coolair2970]

I'm hoping Contador finds some form by the time the race gets to the Alps but to be honest I don't think he's got much chance of getting any where near Froome.

I don't think he's doping now. He's on a massive, massive salary at Saxobank. Enough when the contracts over to retire very comfortably. He'd be insane to risk that.

Isn't i a bit ridiculous to call Bertie for finished. I believe that in Paris he will be standing on the second step just below Froomedawg. That means without an, in my opinion top juiced Skyrider, he would still be the best.

Clean or at least cleaner you just can't beat a guy that rides times like during the US Postal era.

 

[LaFlorecita]

A thing I just thought about

I wouldn't put it past Tinkov to spill the beans at some point when he's drunk. If you just see what BS he is throwing around on twitter

 

[EnacheV]

After todays stage chances are up as %. I will not be surprised with a 2nd positive and going LA way.

His Saxo 2013 team is clearly either the best team in cycling history or is on a doping wide schedule. Which increases the chances of him being doped to.

 

[webbie146]

After todays stage chances are up as %. I will not be surprised with a 2nd positive and going LA way.

His Saxo 2013 team is clearly either the best team in cycling history or is on a doping wide schedule. Which increases the chances of him being doped to.

lol If you think Saxo are on a doping wide schedule what do you think about sky? Saxo has not shown anything remotely as ridiculous as sky.

I'm sure they are doping though, which is a good thing. If sky get's to play USPS Saxo should counter.

That's what it looks like I agree. But after years of experience with Alberto pics I think I can conclude he got more muscular. His upper body and his arms seem to larger. Before 2010 he looked very frail. That's why he looks fatter now but he's actually lost some fat (to stay at the same weight I think). You can see it in his face.

Very interesting, ty for the info!

 

[LaFlorecita]

After todays stage chances are up as %. I will not be surprised with a 2nd positive and going LA way.

His Saxo 2013 team is clearly either the best team in cycling history or is on a doping wide schedule. Which increases the chances of him being doped to.

You are hilarious. Overreacting after saxo's performance today but completely cool with Sky's dominance and donkey to racehorse transformations. LOL.

 

[LaFlorecita]

After todays stage chances are up as %. I will not be surprised with a 2nd positive and going LA way.

Alberto's gotten away with doping for many years and would've gotten away with it in the clen case too if
1) his sample hadn't been sent to Cologne
and/or
2) Cologne hadn't leaked the results to the german press

Besides Alberto is probably much cleaner than before so I find a positive test highly unlikely unless he decides to go full *** at some point. All in. Out with a BANG.

I do think he'll be busted LA style at some point, when he's retired.

 

[EnacheV]

You are hilarious. Overreacting after saxo's performance today but completely cool with Sky's dominance and donkey to racehorse transformations. LOL.

I found Saxo today much more impressive than everything Sky did last 2 years

1min on flat, 6 from 9 in the train that gapped all except few lucky guys ?

As i said, either best team in cycling history or doped to their max.

If it's 2nd case, i don't think Contador can stay away so higher % will be gone as LA.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I found Saxo today much more impressive than everything Sky did last 2 years

1min on flat, 6 from 9 in the train that gapped all except few lucky guys ?

As i said, either best team in cycling history or doped to their max.

If it's 2nd case, i don't think Contador can stay away so higher % will be gone as LA.

Do you know anything about cycling? Do you know the words echelons and crosswinds? Are you even serious?Saxo more impressive than everything sky did

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I'd pay money to hear Tinkov's phone conversations with members of his team over the past week.

 

[hrotha]

I'd pay money to hear Tinkov's phone conversations with members of his team over the past week.

If Twitter is anything to go by...

 

[spalco]

If Sky had done what Saxo did today, there would be some, ahem, lively discussions here, just saying.

 

[Cookster15]

Interesting Roger's performance today and so far in this Tour. Until this Tour Rogers has has been conspicuously absent at Saxo compared with his time at Sky. But now he looks similar in strength to his Sky days. I'm no fan of Sky but this does suggest Sky as a team is no more suspect than Saxo.

However, if AC is doping now than it does seem at a lower level than pre ban. How else do we explain why at 30 he's less strong than he was at 28 decimating the Giro field? Generally the peak physical years for a road racer is early 30s - not late 20s.

 

[The Hitch]

If Sky had done what Saxo did today, there would be some, ahem, lively discussions here, just saying.

If you dont like their performance, grow the balls to make the posts yourself rather than cry like a 2 year old that others aren't doing so. Whats stopping you?

 

[User Guide]

If Sky had done what Saxo did today, there would be some, ahem, lively discussions here, just saying.

Possibly and they would be as wrong as anyone pointing the finger at Saxo, 6-7 from the same team will always beat a few from team A a few from teams B,C etc

 

[Walkman]

If Sky had done what Saxo did today, there would be some, ahem, lively discussions here, just saying.

Because a lot of people on this forum are hypocrites.

When cheaters like Mr. Steak and piti attacks everything is "amazing", "beautiful" and "interesting". When Froome attacks, he is boring and obviously has doped with some new exclusive products.

Although, what do you expect?

Ask a spaniard if he thinks Nadal, AC, piti and their football team is heavy dopers and they say no.

Ask anyone with half a brain a they say yes.

Furthermore this is really interesting. When AC lit up the peloton people were seriously talking about him being the greatest climbing talent ever. Now, SKY are only dopers, dopers and yet again filthy dopers. And they have some new super dope stuff. And so on.

I don't even like Froome, but I am SO happy he is making all the AC and piti fan go crazy and complaining about doping. ****ing hypocrites.

 

[pedaling squares]

If Sky had done what Saxo did today, there would be some, ahem, lively discussions here, just saying.

I'm far from believing that TST are clean, but I don't find a 30-odd km TTT (with help from a few guys from other teams) all that shocking. Especially when the team with the most skin in the chase game was tired/injured/disorganized. When they power up an HC col shedding GT contenders like Sky2012, I'll be quick to point the bang-bang pistolero finger. Today took strength, but it was more about tactics and a poor response. Too bad Froome's power meter didn't tell him to jump sooner.

 

[Granville57]

When cheaters like Mr. Steak and piti attacks everything is "amazing", "beautiful" and "interesting".

You're...um...referring to that other sub-forum just a few clicks above this one, yes?