Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[martinvickers]

Lol, that's a funny verse Vickers

And not untrue - as the Coulson-Brookes trial is finding out. takes a special industry to cry free speech allows them to hack dead girls phones....

I'm not a fan, you may have noticed!

 

[Nathan12]

What do you want to say? Regardless of the outcome, no camp will criticize another one. British press plays it out in a dirtier way?

Nationalism is the enemy of good sports writing. And the British press have proved themselves particularly susceptible to it over the past few years. No worse than any other country, mind- but that doesn't make it right nor any less irritating.

 

[analogue17]

Nationalism is the enemy of good sports writing. And the British press have proved themselves particularly susceptible to it over the past few years. No worse than any other country, mind- but that doesn't make it right nor any less irritating.

However, Sky are considered to be dominant sinners in this context. Personally I didn't hear any word from Sky that defame Contador, Armstrong or anyone else. They stick the facts.

 

[BYOP88]

David Walsh's twitter could be fun this July

I'm sure he'll block a lot of people come July.

 

[hrotha]

I've said this before, but just because it's not on the English-speaking media that doesn't mean Contador doesn't say Sky-like stuff, like, all the time. He said he was a beacon of clean cycling and that he'd always surrounded himself with antidoping types throughout his whole career, for example.

 

[The Hitch]

However, Sky are considered to be dominant sinners in this context. Personally I didn't hear any word from Sky that defame Contador, Armstrong or anyone else. They stick the facts.

Froome had a shot at contador last year, winning the ire of contador fans, during the press conference. Not directly but said something about a caught cheat being in the tdf.

 

[analogue17]

Froome had a shot at contador last year, winning the ire of contador fans, during the press conference. Not directly but said something about a caught cheat being in the tdf.

What was he saying? 'Contador was caught, I wasn't. That's the difference'?

 

[the sceptic]

I'm sure he'll block a lot of people come July.

He already blocked everyone that doesnt believe in unicorns.

Walsh is going to go mental if Froome gets beaten by Contador.

He already hated Contador long before he became skys minister of propaganda.

 

[The Hitch]

I've said this before, but just because it's not on the English-speaking media that doesn't mean Contador doesn't say Sky-like stuff, like, all the time. He said he was a beacon of clean cycling and that he'd always surrounded himself with antidoping types throughout his whole career, for example.

I don't know about others but for me the sky speak that sets sky apart from contador and others is scapegoating other dopers, even on occasion making general statements about doping that encompass people who never tested positive (as Sastre, purito, and Andy schleck may know)

Particularly unpleasant is the idea that everyone else doped and that sky made cycling clean. Brailsford said that everyone in cycling was so reliant on doping they never trained and that's why they could take advantage of training. Wiggins says now he should have won the 09 tour. Walsh liberally accuses the vuelta of allowing the entire podium that beat froome in 13 to dope.

Contador doesn't go that far. I don't remember him ever going full hypocrite and using scapegoats. He claims to be clean himself and as far as he is concerned, everyone else is and always was too. Even lance it's -"if he did what they say he did"

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

He already blocked everyone that doesnt believe in unicorns.

Walsh is going to go mental if Froome gets beaten by Contador.

He already hated Contador long before he became skys minister of propaganda.

@ all the Walsh haters. At least he contributed, by opening the fans eyes on the LA lie long before it was uncovered.
OTOH, what have you guys done outside of abstruse theories, insults and posts lacking any kind of evidence & information?
Hating everybody that isn´t on your simplistic POVs, but accusing others of hate...

Disgusting to say the least...

I am sure Walsh isn´t hating Contador. And he isn´t on cleans* either.





* In reference to marijuana - non gritty, nice tasting, potent, clean weed. Most dealers nowadays have inferior marijuana. Most weed smokers are on a continuous search for "the cleans".

 

[GJB123]

They will, yes. And a lot of it'll be unfair nationalistic cr^p too. but in a sense, that's the price Berti pays for being found out before.

If it was, for example Nibali or Quintana, I'm pretty sure nothing like the amount of questions would be raised. That's just the reality.

One is reminded of a rather choice verse about the subject of the UK Media -

But do you never wonder why British athletes who have been found out do not get the same treatment that AC receives. Christine Ohuruogu, Dwain Chambers, etc. spring to mind. The last thing I would excuse most British media of is objectivity and impartiality when British athletes are concerned.

 

[martinvickers]

But do you never wonder why British athletes who have been found out do not get the same treatment that AC receives. Christine Ohuruogu, Dwain Chambers, etc. spring to mind. The last thing I would excuse most British media of is objectivity and impartiality when British athletes are concerned.

You must be kidding. You musn't have access to a lot of British media. There was a significant media campaign against Chambers being allowed to run at the Olympics both in 08 and 12. THere was a significant campaign in his favour too, but his doping ban was mentioned in practically every article about him bar maybe the basic race reports - even in the 'reformed' twilight 'cuddly-chambers' years recently, when he has finally been broadly rehabilitiated, its still front and centre.

Here's one from 07 prior to the 08 games. Have the spanish media EVER written an article like this? About Alberto? Or Valverde?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ol...n-Chambers-think-he-was-making-a-mistake.html

Now, are the Brit journos hypocrites? OF course they are. But especially harsh on Berti? Nah.

 

[GJB123]

You must be kidding. You musn't have access to a lot of British media. There was a significant media campaign against Chambers being allowed to run at the Olympics both in 08 and 12. THere was a significant campaign in his favour too, but his doping ban was mentioned in practically every article about him bar maybe the basic race reports - even in the 'reformed' twilight 'cuddly-chambers' years recently, when he has finally been broadly rehabilitiated, its still front and centre.

Here's one from 07 prior to the 08 games. Have the spanish media EVER written an article like this? About Alberto? Or Valverde?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ol...n-Chambers-think-he-was-making-a-mistake.html

Now, are the Brit journos hypocrites? OF course they are. But especially harsh on Berti? Nah.

To the bolded, isn't that sickening form people who act all righteous about other (non-British) doping offenders.

And Christine Ohuruogu? I admits that my access to British media is inherently more limited than yours, but no reference whatsoever was made on the Beeb during London 2012 and her missed tests. None whatsoever. It was all tally ho, hip hip hooray for all the British girl. Funny that you focussed on Chambers and forgot al about the other athlete I mentioned. You almost seem like a British journalist. ;-)

Mind you, when the French track cycling sprinters (Baugé in particular) had some misgivings about all British hero Jason Kenny he was all but crucified by tabloids and broad sheets alike (including the good old auntie Beeb).

 

[martinvickers]

To the bolded, isn't that sickening form epode who act all righteous about other (non-British) doping offenders.

That's a bit of a backtrack from your original point. I don't think Chambers had much support in 2008 at all. By 2012 it was 8 years from his crimes, and his career at the highest level was dead - unless you can point to a partiuclar journo being nice to chambers and nasty to contador, the point really doesn't stand.

And Christine Ohuruogu? I admits that my access to British media is inherently more limited than yours, but no reference whatsoever was made on the Beeb during London 2012 and her missed tests. None whatsoever. It was all tally ho, hip hip hooray for all the British girl. Funny that you focussed on Chambers and forgot al about the other athlete I mentioned. You almost seem like a British journalist. ;-)

Watch it sailor boy! Irish journalist, please ;-) AS for the beeb, they have a very specific remit as a publicly funded games broadcaster; their editorial leeway is 'limited'.

But let's be clear; there are reasonably regularly anti-Ohuruogu articles even now; in many ways she was the sacrificial lamb to the then relatively new whereabouts system, but once upon a time, she was going to be the face of the Games - she was defending olympic champ, and from within a stonesthrow of the stadium. She wasn't though; Ennis, from Sheffield, was; CO never even made the B team for that.

Mind you, when the French track cycling sprinters (Baugé in particular) had some misgivings about all British hero Jason Kenny he was all but crucified by tabloids and broad sheets alike (including the good old auntie Beeb).

This would Baugé, who served his own whereabouts ban lets be clear, hijacking the presser immediately after he was beaten in the Olympic Final? Yeah, nobody's gonna treat that, in any country, as other than sour grapes - See Janet Evans for example, in the much more obvious doping case of our own Michelle Smith De Bruijn - hell, Clinton got involved to sort that debacle out. I saw a fair amount of Beeb coverage on Bauge's hijack - they went very light on him, frankly; his own ban was barely mentioned, though I think hugh Porter had a dig.

 

[GJB123]

That's a bit of a backtrack from your original point. I don't think Chambers had much support in 2008 at all. By 2012 it was 8 years from his crimes, and his career at the highest level was dead - unless you can point to a partiuclar journo being nice to chambers and nasty to contador, the point really doesn't stand.



Watch it sailor boy! Irish journalist, please ;-) AS for the beeb, they have a very specific remit as a publicly funded games broadcaster; their editorial leeway is 'limited'.

But let's be clear; there are reasonably regularly anti-Ohuruogu articles even now; in many ways she was the sacrificial lamb to the then relatively new whereabouts system, but once upon a time, she was going to be the face of the Games - she was defending olympic champ, and from within a stonesthrow of the stadium. She wasn't though; Ennis, from Sheffield, was; CO never even made the B team for that.



This would Baugé, who served his own whereabouts ban lets be clear, hijacking the presser immediately after he was beaten in the Olympic Final? Yeah, nobody's gonna treat that, in any country, as other than sour grapes - See Janet Evans for example, in the much more obvious doping case of our own Michelle Smith De Bruijn - hell, Clinton got involved to sort that debacle out. I saw a fair amount of Beeb coverage on Bauge's hijack - they went very light on him, frankly; his own ban was barely mentioned, though I think hugh Porter had a dig.

Let's agree to disagree.

 

[Angliru]

However, Sky are considered to be dominant sinners in this context. Personally I didn't hear any word from Sky that defame Contador, Armstrong or anyone else. They stick the facts.

I can't remember exactly who from the Sky camp said it, but they pretty much painted a broad brush of guilt over every Tour champion from the last 20 years or so, as if they are patron saints of clean Tour riding, leaving Carlos Sastre and Cadel Evans as dookie on the bottom of their shoes.

 

[Nathan12]

I can't remember exactly who from the Sky camp said it, but they pretty much painted a broad brush of guilt over every Tour champion from the last 20 years or so, as if they are patron saints of clean Tour riding, leaving Carlos Sastre and Cadel Evans as dookie on the bottom of their shoes.

Think that was Wiggins.

 

[Angliru]

Think that was Wiggins.

I thought it may have been Wiggins, but I wasn't sure.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

The amount found may not have given a performance boost but chemicals have half lives.
At some point he took Clen but by the time he was tested for it the amount in his body was minuscule due to the body excreting a certain amount, the liver processing the chemical, the natural half live of the compound etc etc....doesnt change the fact he took Clen, thought he was clean but they found a trace of it.... > ....banned and quite rightly too.

So if the 50 pictograms was the amount representing the 1/2 life of the clen then the amount at an earlier point in time is 100 pictograms or 100 trillionths of clen again way, way, way under the amount needed for performance enhancing. Besides which the second 1/2 life of a drug is usually a lot more difficult to interpret because it metabolizes differently than the first 1/2 life.

What you are really saying is that riders should be suspended for 2 years under the principle of strict liability, in spite of the fact 1. there was no performance enhancing benefit, and 2. CAS found as a fact AC did not take the clen with an intent to cheat.

Strict liability is perhaps the only way to deal with dopers but how fair is it?

 

[Alphabet]

But if Froome drops Contador they'll say nothing.

They will say that it's proof of Froome's cleanliness, and also will argue that getting beaten by Froome is Contador's 'natural' level. If I get a dollar for every time I see something along the lines of "Not so good without his steaks, is he?" come July (assuming Froome beats him), I needn't ever write an essay for my drug dealer again.

 

[Ripper]

So if the 50 pictograms was the amount representing the 1/2 life of the clen then the amount at an earlier point in time is 100 pictograms or 100 trillionths of clen again way, way, way under the amount needed for performance enhancing. Besides which the second 1/2 life of a drug is usually a lot more difficult to interpret because it metabolizes differently than the first 1/2 life.

What you are really saying is that riders should be suspended for 2 years under the principle of strict liability, in spite of the fact 1. there was no performance enhancing benefit, and 2. CAS found as a fact AC did not take the clen with an intent to cheat.

Strict liability is perhaps the only way to deal with dopers but how fair is it?

A theory for you - let's say that clen in your system at such low levels is not uncommon. But let's also say that the only reason you might be pursued for such low levels of clen is if there are other issues present. No use chasing after everything under the sun, but if there is something there with zero tolerance, then it becomes the singular focus.

 

[the sceptic]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/oleg-tinkov/contador-is-back-as-the-best-rider-in-the-world

Tinkov just doesnt give a ****.

I am not really involved in Alberto's training and I only learned from reading Cyclingnews that Steven de Jongh is helping him this year.

Some of the media seems to have concerns about Steven and his past and what that might mean for Tinkoff-Saxo and Alberto. I'll tell you what it means: nothing.

Steven just one of our sports director, one of the key management in the team. I have met him only once and I know nothing about his past, therefore I can't talk about it. I didn't even know that he was former pro rider from the nineties. Should I know? Should I be concerned? Absolutely not. I don’t overload my brain with the information that isn't important to me.

 

[Nathan12]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/oleg-tinkov/contador-is-back-as-the-best-rider-in-the-world

Tinkov just doesnt give a ****.

Willful naivety is the new clean.

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/oleg-tinkov/contador-is-back-as-the-best-rider-in-the-world

Tinkov just doesnt give a ****.

Lol

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[Netserk]

Lol @ former pro from the nineties. He won his last race as a pro less than five years ago...