Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[Hugh Januss]

Contador won 7 GTs but had 2 taken away for Doping therefore he has won 5 GTs. See how that works. Alberto saying he has won 7 is the same as LA saying he has won 7 TdF, no different.

 

[LaFlorecita]

the fact that even i am considered a contador hater in your eyes, says plenty.

if you have faith that he is innocent you should keep that faith to yourself and stop calling out every1 that doesn't share that same faith.

you are starting to sound like the catholic church does when talking about atheists. . . .

Where did I say you are a hater.

I don't call out people because they don't have the same opinion. I'm just trying to make people understand why Alberto did that 7 finger salute. But the people on this forum only care about one opinion and that is their own. They don't even think about what I say. They just reply I'm blind and stupid. Because that's what I am in their eyes. I like Alberto a bit more than the usual fan does. So I can't be sane enough to have an opinion that is worth considering.

I never said people should believe he's innocent. Of course not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So let me have my opinion and don't force me into admitting I think he doped. And don't act like I'm some sort of *** just because I am more emotionally invested in a rider than you are.

 

[sartoris]

Wow, you are the same person who started the Sky thread after the Dauphine and yet you are willing to defend AC based on his words! Wow, that is a big change in standards .

No, Cookster. To me it's simple. AC has consistently shown he's the champion of an era. Wiggins (ermh....) ... well, he was a great pistard who's suddenly blossomed

He's attacked his races regardless whether I thought he was more or less doped or on form or not. He deserves credit for that.

His climbing sytle is basically the same whether he's on form or not. Go look at the Galabier stage in last years Tour. Looked the same, just going much slower!

His personality has made him unoffensive to the media, fans, team mates and fellow competitors.

Until yesterday AC was very gracious to his fellow competitors.

Couldn't agree more with you as far as all the above is concerned.

While his style and tactics are consistent, his form has varied significantly since 2007. Doping seems the only explanation for this and therefore his comments look very foolish - just like Lance. .

EXCUSE ME ??? What a naive way to discredit a reasonably good post up to this point

I think you need to try harder to be objective about your man.

I'll try. Will you ?

 

[LaFlorecita]

also just to make it clear for myself, so for you to believe contador is a doper he must confess it himself or some tremendous proof like a EPO possitive has to be found right?

IIRC no1 at sky has confessed to doping nor tested positive yet you had no problems calling them dopers all july long?

why isn't the same criteria applied to both contador and sky/wiggins/froome?

I never said Sky is doping. I only said I think they are suspicious. But so is Alberto.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador won 7 GTs but had 2 taken away for Doping therefore he has won 5 GTs. See how that works. Alberto saying he has won 7 is the same as LA saying he has won 7 TdF, no different.

Wrong. This is the problem. Officially, he didn't dope. (doping being deliberately taking or injecting performance enhancing substances) So we (Alberto's fans) have every right to believe he won 7.

 

[Big Doopie]

Contador won 7 GTs but had 2 taken away for Doping therefore he has won 5 GTs. See how that works. Alberto saying he has won 7 is the same as LA saying he has won 7 TdF, no different.

and, quite frankly, the fact that he had two taken away for doping, makes me assume that he has doped to every single one of his victories. in fact, i am sure of it.

so, as far as I am concerned, clentadope has yet to win a single GT.

 

[LaFlorecita]

and, quite frankly, the fact that he had two taken away for doping, makes me assume that he has doped to every single one of his victories. in fact, i am sure of it.

so, as far as I am concerned, clentadope has yet to win a single GT.

But if he wins one, it's because he doped, so he'll never win a GT

I'm sorry. I can't take you seriously. You can't even write his name.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Oh FFS it is like trying to reason the worst of the Lance fanboys. 500 tests never failed one, weight loss, worked harder than the rest VS. didn't dope on purpose. By your standards Valverde, Basso and Ullrich are clean as well, huh?

 

[Big Doopie]

But if he wins one, it's because he doped, so he'll never win a GT

I'm sorry. I can't take you seriously. You can't even write his name.

precisely, as soon as clentadope is caught doping and is hopping from one doping team director to the next, and is implicated in puerto, then he loses the benefit of the doubt.

and, yes, i can never ever believe one of his wins from here on out -- precisely because he has lost the benefit of the doubt. this is not my doing. this is his doing.

clentadope is a doper and should be banned from cycling.

and, neither can i take you seriously, as you are precisely the type of fan that they are banking on to keep up the fraud and destroy the sport i love.

 

[Panda Claws]

If you think Contador won 5 GT's then give reasons why you think so besides blindly following rules, verdicts, etc.

I can understand that you think he only won 6, because there was a high probability of doping in Tour 2010.

But the only reason you could every think Contador did not win Giro d'Italia 2011 is if you are blindly following every little rule and verdict that comes your way.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Oh FFS it is like trying to reason the worst of the Lance fanboys. 500 tests never failed one, weight loss, worked harder than the rest VS. didn't dope on purpose. By your standards Valverde, Basso and Ullrich are clean as well, huh?

No. And as I said (but hey it was probably ignored again) I don't think Alberto is clean. I want him to be clean. There's a difference.

 

[The Hitch]

Contador won 7 GTs but had 2 taken away for Doping therefore he has won 5 GTs. See how that works. Alberto saying he has won 7 is the same as LA saying he has won 7 TdF, no different.

He had 1 taken away for doping, though oficially for taking the wrong supplement.

The other one was on the basis that he should not actually have been at the race to win it.

 

[The Hitch]

Until yesterday AC was very gracious to his fellow competitors. His comments sound just like Armstrong and reek of arrogance. W

What did he say yesterday?

 

[LaFlorecita]

precisely, as soon as clentadope is caught doping and is hopping from one doping team director to the next, and is implicated in puerto, then he loses the benefit of the doubt.

and, yes, i can never ever believe one of his wins from here on out -- precisely because he has lost the benefit of the doubt. this is not my doing. this is his doing.

clentadope is a doper and should be banned from cycling.

and, neither can i take you seriously, as you are precisely the type of fan that they are banking on to keep up the fraud and destroy the sport i love.

I'm sorry I love Alberto.

 

[wannab]

What a wonderful fanboy thread

Whatever you believe, the history books (for now) will state he OFFICIALLY won 5 GT's, get over it ..

You talk about my inability to judge anything about him in an unbiased way well I didn't get my Masters in Law for nothing!!

Your funny, wasn't your previous sig something like

"I'm a contador fangirl, my opinions may be biased"

 

[c&cfan]

c & c fan ..............so i'm an idiot .............not smart at all..........i love it!

the thread has turned into pure entertainment ..........comedy gold

7 minus 2 equals 5 to most people but what do i know...........just being an idiot and not smart enough

alberto fans know better.............7 minus 2 = 7

awesome..................a world changing moment

well, in andy's eyes: 0+0+0=1.. so what? lol

you are wrong and you understand 0 about science, ethics, sports and what makes the world turn. so what? there's no problem with that.

reality depends on what you see and know.. i don't mind.

 

[c&cfan]

Oh FFS it is like trying to reason the worst of the Lance fanboys. 500 tests never failed one, weight loss, worked harder than the rest VS. didn't dope on purpose. By your standards Valverde, Basso and Ullrich are clean as well, huh?

why stop there? what about coppi, bartali, eddy, anquetil, poulidor, hinault, fignon, delgado, lemond, indurain, riis, sastre, pantani, lance, andy, frank, cadel....??

unless you are just watching this sport to be entertained, what's your problem with contador deserving the 7 titles that he won fair and square(as far as i know)?

 

[LaFlorecita]

What a wonderful fanboy thread

Whatever you believe, the history books (for now) will state he OFFICIALLY won 5 GT's, get over it ..

I won't. You all want to forget he was there, forget he won those races. But I won't let that happen, oh no.

Your funny, wasn't your previous sig something like

"I'm a contador fangirl, my opinions may be biased"

Alberto Contador fangirl.

My opinion may be biased.

Please note the word "may".

 

[hrotha]

why stop there? what about coppi, bartali, eddy, anquetil, poulidor, hinault, fignon, delgado, lemond, indurain, riis, sastre, pantani, lance, andy, frank, cadel....??

unless you are just watching this sport to be entertained, what's your problem with contador deserving the 7 titles that he won fair and square(as far as i know)?

"Don't test positive" is one of the rules of the sport. Like, say, "don't miss the time cut". So no, he didn't win 7 GTs.

For example, Pantani only won 2 GTs, because "don't go over the 50% hematocrit cap" was a rule.

 

[workingclasshero]

what a terrible thread this has become

 

[The Hitch]

"Don't test positive" is one of the rules of the sport. Like, say, "don't miss the time cut". So no, he didn't win 7 GTs.

For example, Pantani only won 2 GTs, because "don't go over the 50% hematocrit cap" was a rule.

Though what that ignores is how some people can get over that rule with friends in high places. Of course Contador tried himself but it didnt worked out for him like it has for others.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Though what that ignores is how some people can get over that rule with friends in high places. Of course Contador tried himself but it didnt worked out for him like it has for others.

TBF Contador did come within one meddling journalist of probably getting away with it himself.

 

[the big ring]

Look here are the facts:

1. France has no good steak in it.
2. Spain's steak is delicious.
3. A mate of Contador's bought ONE piece of steak in the morning in Spain, then drove 200km to Pau in the middle of summer with that steak in the car.
4. That mate had it in an esky with ice and noone batted an eyelid when some random walked into Alberto's hotel with a "thing" wrapped in paper or something similar, slightly wet and dripping all over the floor from sitting on melting ice for the last 3 hours.
5. Alberto then had that steak cooked and ate it - leaving his team mates to fend for themselves with the crap food they serve in France.
6. Alas, that one steak with a .001% chance of containing clenbuterol did so, in sufficient quantity that it was detectable in Contador's body the next day or he ate it for breakfast / before 10 in the morning or huh I dunno.
7. Alas, the lab used to test Alberto's blood was of a higher calibre than the usual and managed to detect the teeny tiny levels of Clenbuterol.
8. Alberto is innocent.

What is not hard to believe here?

 

[hrotha]

Look here are the facts:

1. France has no good steak in it.
2. Spain's steak is delicious.
3. A mate of Contador's bought ONE piece of steak in the morning in Spain, then drove 200km to Pau in the middle of summer with that steak in the car.
4. That mate had it in an esky with ice and noone batted an eyelid when some random walked into Alberto's hotel with a "thing" wrapped in paper or something similar, slightly wet and dripping all over the floor from sitting on melting ice for the last 3 hours.
5. Alberto then had that steak cooked and ate it - leaving his team mates to fend for themselves with the crap food they serve in France.
6. Alas, that one steak with a .001% chance of containing clenbuterol did so, in sufficient quantity that it was detectable in Contador's body the next day or he ate it for breakfast / before 10 in the morning or huh I dunno.
7. Alas, the lab used to test Alberto's blood was of a higher calibre than the usual and managed to detect the teeny tiny levels of Clenbuterol.
8. Alberto is innocent.

What is not hard to believe here?

Well, you got several of your facts wrong (sarcasm aside obviously). Personally I'm inclined to think the steak existed, and was promptly identified as a likely scapegoat.

 

[the big ring]

Well, you got several of your facts wrong (sarcasm aside obviously). Personally I'm inclined to think the steak existed, and was promptly identified as a likely scapegoat.

several? Which exactly? Did the not give the game away?