Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[wannab]

I won't. You all want to forget he was there, forget he won those races. But I won't let that happen, oh no.

You are forgetting he's stripped of those 2 titles, it doesn't matter, he officially won 5 GT's now.

For someone who apparently mastered in law, why can't you accept that verdict? He could fight it but didn't so now he must accept and move on (5!).

My opinion may be biased.
Please note the word "may".

It's rather obvious they are ...

 

[hrotha]

several? Which exactly? Did the not give the game away?

I meant, sarcasm aside, inferring what you actually believe from the sarcastic facts you posted.

If I'm inferring correctly, you missed that the guy was specifically asked to bring some meat, that several of Contador's teammates ate it, that what's being translated as a steak in English is actually a solomillo, a pretty big piece of meat, and that Contador ate from it on two consecutive days according to his version.

Minor details, of course.

 

[the big ring]

I meant, sarcasm aside, inferring what you actually believe from the sarcastic facts you posted.

If I'm inferring correctly, you missed that the guy was specifically asked to bring some meat, that several of Contador's teammates ate it, that what's being translated as a steak in English is actually a solomillo, a pretty big piece of meat, and that Contador ate from it on two consecutive days according to his version.

Minor details, of course.

Huh. I read the CAS case file and everything. Don't recall reading that detail, so no, I apologise. Had it very wrong. Glad none of his team mates were tested then eh?

The fact that the guy was asked to bring the meat is implicit in the whole, "there's no good steak in France" factoid. An utter myth, I think, having eaten delicious steak there 10 weeks in a row just recently.

 

[hrotha]

Huh. I read the CAS case file and everything. Don't recall reading that detail, so no, I apologise. Had it very wrong. Glad none of his team mates were tested then eh?

The fact that the guy was asked to bring the meat is implicit in the whole, "there's no good steak in France" factoid. An utter myth, I think, having eaten delicious steak there 10 weeks in a row just recently.

Of course. It was a most fortunate coincidence. Only Vino was tested, but lo and behold - he had had dinner before the steak arrived.

Just a coincidence. Nothing to see here

 

[the big ring]

Of course. It was a most fortunate coincidence. Only Vino was tested, but lo and behold - he had had dinner before the steak arrived.

Just a coincidence. Nothing to see here

Spanish steak: from our butcher to your door in under 3 hours or it's free!

And Vino was so fond of Contador too - fancy not waiting to have dinner with the compadres.

 

[Sandy Chamois]

In the future

The year is 2032, a family gathers for a holiday dinner at the homestead, three generations scurrying about the house, the kitchen abuzz with activity, sweet aromas waft throughout....the doorbell chimes...

"That must be Aunt Flo" said Richard. The activity in the kitchen paused...furtive glances exchanged, a nervous eye roll here...a heavy sigh there... "Carol, can you let her in? but let me make sure the Johnny Walker Blue Label is up on the top shelf where she can't reach it..."

"Welcome Flo," said Carol letting her in... "Can I get you something to drink?" knowing full well she would have had four Bloody Marys already before coming over. "A Zin perhaps?"

Aunt Flo didn't respond, just stumbled in and greeted the youngsters who were a bit puzzled and intimidated but her bizarre and irrational behaviour...but she was family, so they politely obliged her incoherent ramblings, concealing their bewilderment of her incomprehensible proclaimations of the greatness of some Spanish athlete of yesteryear..."Alberto Contador was the greatest, he healed the sick, makes the best paella, has a third nipple that opens the gateway to the magical kingdom of Narnia...."

"OOOkay Aunt Flo, whatever you say, love..." Richard responded somewhat patronizingly..."Shall I cut up your meat for you?..another Egg Nog?"

 

[silverrocket]

And I do not agree at all when you say he should keep his sentiments to himself, if Wiggins, Evans etc are allowed to speak their minds, then so is Alberto. He could've given the 1 finger salute but he's too nice for that.

I was merely giving AC the advice that he should keep such sentiments to himself, because it otherwise makes him look like a fool and undermines our global interest in preventing riders from cheating their way to victory. It does this even if AC is innocent, because it shows he does not even respect the process of taking a doping test, failing it, and taking your punishment like a man. I expect that sort of behaviour from Armstrong, an oft-demonstrated sociopath, but am disappointed to hear it from AC.

And, of course he can speak his mind, like Wiggins and Evans, but then he also runs the risk of sounding like an idiot as each of those guys has at multiple times in their career.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I was merely giving AC the advice that he should keep such sentiments to himself, because it otherwise makes him look like a fool and undermines our global interest in preventing riders from cheating their way to victory. It does this even if AC is innocent, because it shows he does not even respect the process of taking a doping test, failing it, and taking your punishment like a man. I expect that sort of behaviour from Armstrong, an oft-demonstrated sociopath, but am disappointed to hear it from AC.

And, of course he can speak his mind, like Wiggins and Evans, but then he also runs the risk of sounding like an idiot as each of those guys has at multiple times in their career.

I don't think it made him sound like an idiot. Accepting your punishment and "moving on" while you do not agree with it, that's what I find idiotic. And you sound just as idiotic for suggesting that exactly that is what he should do.

 

[LaFlorecita]

You are forgetting he's stripped of those 2 titles, it doesn't matter, he officially won 5 GT's now.

For someone who apparently mastered in law, why can't you accept that verdict? He could fight it but didn't so now he must accept and move on (5!).

It's rather obvious they are ...

I can accept it, even though I don't agree with it, but I can't accept people saying he can't make that 7 finger salute because he lost 2 because of DOPING.

Alberto accepted the verdict but can he really, truly accept it? No, he can't, no matter how much he tries, because he will always disagree. And that's what he showed us. That he'll never truly accept the verdict.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I can accept it, even though I don't agree with it, but I can't accept people saying he can't make that 7 finger salute because he lost 2 because of DOPING.

Alberto accepted the verdict but can he really, truly accept it? No, he can't, no matter how much he tries, because he will always disagree. And that's what he showed us. That he'll never truly accept the verdict.

This post reminds me of a quote from a mario puzo novel i think it was the godfather.The story was genco was dying and vito said something like "he will not go to hell while so many are praying for him" ... I think Brodeal will remember the exact book and quote.

 

[armchairclimber]

The fact that Contador is an unrepentant cheat has devalued the Vuelta for me this year. I still love to see the way he rides but I couldn't enjoy him winning (with another unrepentant cheat in 2nd).

As has been pointed out above, his 7 tours gesture/remark mirrors Armstrong's stance. I thought Contador might turn out to be better than that.

 

[Netserk]

Is Contador a doper? I think so
Is Armstrong a doper? I think so

How many times did Armstrong finish in Paris with the yellow jersey? 7 times
How many times did he therefore win the Tour? 7 IMO
How many GTs have Contador won? 7 IMO

No difference.

 

[Lanark]

How many times has Dennis Menchov won the Vuelta?

 

[sniper]

The fact that Contador is an unrepentant cheat has devalued the Vuelta for me this year. I still love to see the way he rides but I couldn't enjoy him winning (with another unrepentant cheat in 2nd).

As has been pointed out above, his 7 tours gesture/remark mirrors Armstrong's stance. I thought Contador might turn out to be better than that.

well put. my thoughts exactly.

 

[ebandit]

doh! i'm wrong again

well, in andy's eyes: 0+0+0=1.. so what? lol

you are wrong and you understand 0 about science, ethics, sports and what makes the world turn. so what? there's no problem with that.

reality depends on what you see and know.. i don't mind.

for some-one who does not mind your doing a lot of tellin'

we're all idiots but yourself with no understanding of science ethics sports or what makes the world turn

cooo...oool!

alberto is still a cheatin' cyclist...............now if in the future alberto's samples are retested..........how many grand tours will he be left winner of

 

[sniper]

Look here are the facts:

1. France has no good steak in it.
2. Spain's steak is delicious.
3. A mate of Contador's bought ONE piece of steak in the morning in Spain, then drove 200km to Pau in the middle of summer with that steak in the car.
4. That mate had it in an esky with ice and noone batted an eyelid when some random walked into Alberto's hotel with a "thing" wrapped in paper or something similar, slightly wet and dripping all over the floor from sitting on melting ice for the last 3 hours.
5. Alberto then had that steak cooked and ate it - leaving his team mates to fend for themselves with the crap food they serve in France.
6. Alas, that one steak with a .001% chance of containing clenbuterol did so, in sufficient quantity that it was detectable in Contador's body the next day or he ate it for breakfast / before 10 in the morning or huh I dunno.
7. Alas, the lab used to test Alberto's blood was of a higher calibre than the usual and managed to detect the teeny tiny levels of Clenbuterol.
8. Alberto is innocent.

What is not hard to believe here?

you forgot to mention that the steak was vacuum packed in plastic. Contador made sure to mention that explicitly in his first public appearance after the positive. It was an odd thing for him to emphasize that detail, but it all made sense once the plasticizer positive broke.

Looking back you'd be surprised how many clinicians took the steak-tale seriously.

 

[Netserk]

How many times has Dennis Menchov won the Vuelta?

1. 2007 (10char)

 

[Netserk]

How many times has Dennis Menchov won the Vuelta?

only 1. In 2005 Heras was the winner IMO

 

[Havetts]

only 1. In 2005 Heras was the winner IMO

No offense, but then stick to the Road Racing section..

 

[Panda Claws]

You are forgetting he's stripped of those 2 titles, it doesn't matter, he officially won 5 GT's now.

For someone who apparently mastered in law, why can't you accept that verdict? He could fight it but didn't so now he must accept and move on (5!).


It's rather obvious they are ...

Think for yourself, not for some verdict since I surely remember Contador winning the 2011 Giro d'Italia without a positive.

 

[workingclasshero]

Is Contador a doper? I think so
Is Armstrong a doper? I think so

How many times did Armstrong finish in Paris with the yellow jersey? 7 times
How many times did he therefore win the Tour? 7 IMO
How many GTs have Contador won? 7 IMO

No difference.

why are you in the clinic you oddball?

 

[sniper]

Think for yourself, not for some verdict since I surely remember Contador winning the 2011 Giro d'Italia without a positive.

his team should have withdrawn him from racing.
it is customary for teams to withdraw racers that are under suspicion of doping. AC clearly was under suspicion.
That has always been an etiquette, a gentlemen's agreement, within cycling.
But Riis abd Saxo simply ignored this etiquette, setting a precedent that won't do cycling any good.

 

[c&cfan]

his team should have withdrawn him from racing.
it is customary for teams to withdraw racers that are under suspicion of doping. AC clearly was under suspicion.
That has always been an etiquette, a gentlemen's agreement, within cycling.
But Riis abd Saxo simply ignored this etiquette, setting a precedent that won't do cycling any good.

i saw contador win 7 GTs.. i have pictures! just like i saw lance.. I'm not an hypocrite. are you?

 

[hrotha]

i saw contador win 7 GTs.. i have pictures! just like i saw lance.. I'm not an hypocrite. are you?

Are you sure you're not a hypocrite? Do you complain or get angry when you're cheated out of something important in real life?

 

[Falken]

5 or 7 fingers, it doesn't matter. For a normally critical person any finger put up by Contador should be regarded with huge dose of scepticism.

Contadors GT wins with DC and Astana... It was during this period he, among other suspicious characters, worked with Pepe Marti, now banned for life. USADA's press release regarding ban of Marti:

Mr. Martí, also of Valencia, Spain, was a trainer for the USPS and Discovery Channel Cycling Teams during the period from 1999 through 2007 and thereafter worked for the Astana Cycling Team. Mr. Martí delivered performance-enhancing drugs, including EPO, testosterone, human growth hormone (hGH) and cortisone from Valencia, Spain to locations where the riders were living in Europe including Nice, France and Girona, Spain and at training camps and cycling races. Mr. Martí was also involved in assisting with injections of EPO, saline infusions for avoiding detection by drug testing and in transfusing blood to riders.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...thers-lifetime-bans-in-u-s-postal-case_228698

Marti and Contador:

The third Spanish name is the more elusive Martí, a Spanish trainer who has also worked closely with several riders within Bruyneel’s teams, including Alberto Contador.

Little is known about Martí, who is not a licensed medical doctor. He rarely speaks to the media and refused a routine interview request from VeloNews three years ago during a race in Spain. According to the USADA documents, Martí started working at U.S. Postal Service in 1999, then the rebranded Discovery Channel team through 2007 and switched to Astana in 2008.

Floyd Landis, speaking in an interview with the German TV station ARD in 2011, accused Martí of supplying riders with drugs.

“Pepe was a supplier of drugs to U.S. Postal when I was on the team,” Landis was quoted on ARD. “I often used (Martí) to buy growth hormones, EPO and other doping products. He was not a coach. He was nothing more than a known drug dealer.”

There was never any public reaction from Martí, but Alberto Contador’s representatives acknowledged that he worked with Martí during his time at both Discovery Channel and Astana. Contador has not reportedly worked with Martí since 2010.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/06/news/who-are-the-spaniards-under-the-usada-spotlight_223914

Anyone truly believing Contador was clean when he won his first Grand Tours must be f**king stupid. Contador is a fraud. But hey, he is fun to watch, attacks all the time, so let us just love him anyway...