Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[SeriousSam]

Yes I don't believe there was any doping in 09. Might have been the cleanest Tour yet, even Lance was cleans. And Bradly did well

 

[Eagle]

Yes I don't believe there was any doping in 09. Might have been the cleanest Tour yet, even Lance was cleans. And Bradly did well

I think he was trying to say he doesn't believe Contador is doping as much now as he was in 2009, I could be wrong though

 

[movingtarget]

Watching Contador in the TT. From behind his style looks very close to Armstrong's with the high cadence and position on the bike.

 

[meat puppet]

AC is more of the old school or pre cleans era phenotype when compared against aru and froome for example. Still room to lose 3-4 kilos some of which is muscle I reckon.

Somewhat interesting that ac has not really participated in the more extreme weightloss contest over the years. Different regimes most likely, with a more blood based approach for ac perhaps?

 

[ebandit]

may alberto really does start from a higher level..............extreme weight loss not required

Mark L

 

[Froomster]

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I don't think for a second that Contador is clean, but the butthurt from the Sky fans is just comedy gold.

oh, it's fantastic. my post wasn't a knock, really, it was more of a compliment. i watched the TT today in awe.

You've got to admire him, full ***, he just doesn't care I guess Unkle Oleg's roubles had an effect too

This. Whatever he's on, he has no fear of being caught.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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AC is more of the old school or pre cleans era phenotype when compared against aru and froome for example. Still room to lose 3-4 kilos some of which is muscle I reckon.

Somewhat interesting that ac has not really participated in the more extreme weightloss contest over the years. Different regimes most likely, with a more blood based approach for ac perhaps?

His body fat % was really low at last year's Tour, he had veins popping out all over his legs and arms, I'd never seen him that skinny before. But his upper body is very big, he has a lot of useless muscle there, compared to Froome and Aru.

Edit: I also think because he doesn't have the lanky build of Froome and Aru, he looks less skinny.

 

[SeriousSam]

Magical fat-only weight loss can explain huge improvements in climbing. It cannot explain huge improvements in time trialling in the flat, which the new cleans era generation riders have experienced. They're blood doping as well, or doing something else to get power.

 

[Alcanelo]

Contador invented clean cycling. This whole thread is a fail.

 

[rainman]

Full *** sans fear. Time will tell what it is.

 

[Happy dude]

Contador just never looks tired at the end of stages

 

[happychappy]

As long as he beats Aru I don't care how much beef he eats.

 

[the sceptic]

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Contador just never looks tired at the end of stages

that's because he is warming down.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Contador just never looks tired at the end of stages

that's because he is warming down.

Did you see that shrug on the rollers?

 

[sniper]

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Magical fat-only weight loss can explain huge improvements in climbing. It cannot explain huge improvements in time trialling in the flat, which the new cleans era generation riders have experienced. They're blood doping as well, or doing something else to get power.

there's plenty of evidence that blooddoping is still ongoing.
If i'm not mistaken, there are EPO compounds available that can be taken orally, so it need not (always) involve needles.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Magical fat-only weight loss can explain huge improvements in climbing. It cannot explain huge improvements in time trialling in the flat, which the new cleans era generation riders have experienced. They're blood doping as well, or doing something else to get power.

there's plenty of evidence that blooddoping is still ongoing.
If i'm not mistaken, there are EPO compounds available that can be taken orally, so it need not (always) involve needles.

Sure, my point was some here like to distinguish between "oldschool" dopers ie blood doping and whatever it is riders like Froome and Wiggins are doing. But since both Froome and Wiggins made startling improvements in flat time trialling, weight loss drugs simply cannot be the whole story. When Froome dominates a time trial in the Tour, it simply cannot be the case that he's only lost 8kg bodyfat whilst retaining all muscle. He was never able to put out the sustained power necessary for this feat before he mutated into the rider he is today. Ergo he is blood doping, or doing something else that gives power like blood doping does.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Check out AICAR - it's a weight loss drug that would help with overall performance as well.

 

[Tonton]

Nothing suspicious here. It's just that Oleg is an incredible motivational speaker. He threw a fit, and within days Sagan turned the table on Cav, and Bertie was back to being the great ITT specialist that he used to be . It's stupefiant!

 

[Trek1000]

He is certainly looking a lot more muscular this season. Legs looks bigger and his upper body seems more muscular too. Interesting change in his physical apperance this season

 

[LaFlorecita]

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He is certainly looking a lot more muscular this season. Legs looks bigger and his upper body seems more muscular too. Interesting change in his physical apperance this season

Really? I personally don't see a difference

 

[LaFlorecita]

I was just thinking today, is it possible that Contador is looking a bit "sub-par" because he's been wearing the jersey since stage 5... I mean, the race leader gets tested every day, right? So variations would be easier to detect..

 

[hrotha]

Possible but unlikely IMO. A GT contender (and the main favourite by far) would expect to be tested fairly often during the race anyway, and wouldn't gamble on not being tested on a particular race day - not when not showing up to race while glowing is one of the most basic tenets of doping.

I think the most likely explanation for his not trashing the whole field around is: 1) the need to take a Tour peak into account, thus likely not being in absolutely top condition here; and 2) the sheer amount of energy he's had to spend due to the way the race is being raced and the hairy situations he's had to deal with.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I was just thinking today, is it possible that Contador is looking a bit "sub-par" because he's been wearing the jersey since stage 5... I mean, the race leader gets tested every day, right? So variations would be easier to detect..

Ryder was not tested as leader in 2012 mid-race, so not sure why / if Contador would be.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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I think the most likely explanation for his not trashing the whole field around is: 1) the need to take a Tour peak into account, thus likely not being in absolutely top condition here; and 2) the sheer amount of energy he's had to spend due to the way the race is being raced and the hairy situations he's had to deal with.

I agree. As for any rider, he should do the absolute bare minimum required to win the race - whether he's going for a GT double or not.

I think that's part of the reason why he may not have chased Landa after Motirolo to the finish - he had 4+ minutes and could tempo in and maintain a healthy buffer without burning matches for a stage finish / win, plus there were no other riders around other than flatlander Steven to steal bonus seconds.

 

[sniper]

agree also.
but a GT victory without a stage win typically seems to be valued a tad bit less.
Or maybe that's just me.

any idea what's the DIRECT financial gain for an individual rider for winning a stage in the Giro?