Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[The Hitch]

Re:

froome is not better/worse than bertie or any other big riders with regards to doping. any attempts to measure level of hypocrisy just conceal one's bias.

Since you are a self proclaimed massive froome fan who's entire posting history consists of defending his honour against Contador fan versions of yourself, I can't help but laugh at your accusation of bias.

Maybe you just don't understand what a moral code is and want to dumb everything down to the level of people supporting favourite riders.

i can call numerous doping-related things i strongly dislike about both contador and froome, but that's way better to look at them from positive side. only with this way of thinking clear-headed cycling fans should percieve modern cycling because doping itself and willingness to explain all the things in a doping light gradually kill a sense of real bike racing.

Err, shouldn't you be blaming the people who dope and fascilitate doping, and not those who merely talk about it?

Oh and thanks for the advice on how "clear headed cycling fans" should approach doping (ignore it and celebrate everyone), but I think I'll pass.

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

It seems like you're defining hypocrisy in such a narrow way so that you won't have to include Contador.

That's a pretty pathetic below the belt kick attempt. I have never shied away from attacking Contador for his behaviour and am considered a "Contador hater" by most of his groupies on here.

In fact I never even brought up Contador as any sort of moral example in the first place. I have merely commented on an existing conversation.

We could argue about degree of hypocrisy until the cows come home, but hopefully I have made it clear that I don’t think Contador is the same zipcode as the SKY propaganda machine.

Ok, but I don't quite get the relevance of that. I am not here to extract concessions about how bad Sky is.

I am here to dispute the idea that Contador is as bad as others.

What many people do is take my stance on Sky (don't like) and extract that onto my stance about hypocrisy. Which creates the idea that since I don't like Sky, that influences my stance on hypocrisy.

Its the other way around. Its their appalling hypocrisy that makes me dislike Sky.

I called Froome and Wiggins dopers years ago but supported them and the team. The Wiggins fan thread in the race section was created by me. I liked him.

The day I that changed was the day Wiggins said that the fans who doubt him are bone idle wankers who will never accomplish anything.

The same Wiggins who has personally cast doubt on other riders by saying in 2007 that TDF winners don't deserve trust, making 180 degree turn when he finds himself in that situation.

1 standard for Wiggins, 1 standard for everyone else.

Contador has never done that. He defends himself as clean but he also defends his enemies as clean, even Lance after Lance betrayed him.

And to me such people are always superior to the snakes, because you know where they stand.

 

[Savant12]

Some would say Omerta is the worst hypocrisy in pro-cycling and Contador has always been one of its leading ambassadors. He has been up there in the pro-peleton longer than a Froome or Wiggins.

Love Contador as a rider but he's on the sauce just as much as anyone.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Some would say Omerta is the worst hypocrisy in pro-cycling and Contador has always been one of its leading ambassadors. He has been up there in the pro-peleton longer than a Froome or Wiggins.

Love Contador as a rider but he's on the sauce just as much as anyone.

Had to ask:
What's the sauce of your opinion?
What sauce would that be?
Details, details details ....

 

[Savant12]

Some would say Omerta is the worst hypocrisy in pro-cycling and Contador has always been one of its leading ambassadors. He has been up there in the pro-peleton longer than a Froome or Wiggins.

Love Contador as a rider but he's on the sauce just as much as anyone.

Had to ask:
What's the sauce of your opinion?
What sauce would that be?
Details, details details ....

One that goes with a nice cut of steak.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Casting doubts over Berto cause he likes his steak with a nice sauce

 

[roundabout]

Re: Re:

It seems like you're defining hypocrisy in such a narrow way so that you won't have to include Contador.

That's a pretty pathetic below the belt kick attempt. I have never shied away from attacking Contador for his behaviour and am considered a "Contador hater" by most of his groupies on here.

In fact I never even brought up Contador as any sort of moral example in the first place. I have merely commented on an existing conversation.

We could argue about degree of hypocrisy until the cows come home, but hopefully I have made it clear that I don’t think Contador is the same zipcode as the SKY propaganda machine.

Ok, but I don't quite get the relevance of that. I am not here to extract concessions about how bad Sky is.

I am here to dispute the idea that Contador is as bad as others.

What many people do is take my stance on Sky (don't like) and extract that onto my stance about hypocrisy. Which creates the idea that since I don't like Sky, that influences my stance on hypocrisy.

Its the other way around. Its their appalling hypocrisy that makes me dislike Sky.

I called Froome and Wiggins dopers years ago but supported them and the team. The Wiggins fan thread in the race section was created by me. I liked him.

The day I that changed was the day Wiggins said that the fans who doubt him are bone idle wankers who will never accomplish anything.

The same Wiggins who has personally cast doubt on other riders by saying in 2007 that TDF winners don't deserve trust, making 180 degree turn when he finds himself in that situation.

1 standard for Wiggins, 1 standard for everyone else.

Contador has never done that. He defends himself as clean but he also defends his enemies as clean, even Lance after Lance betrayed him.

And to me such people are always superior to the snakes, because you know where they stand.

Sounds like both of them are defending the status quo where the top tier in cycling shouldn't be questioned and doping is the refuge of the lazy talentless few.

So yeah, in the current guise they would be as bad as each other.

It's also strange how a life-long omertaist liar is superior to a converted one. Normally they would be as bad as each other.

 

[djpbaltimore]

Re: Re:

It seems like you're defining hypocrisy in such a narrow way so that you won't have to include Contador.

That's a pretty pathetic below the belt kick attempt. I have never shied away from attacking Contador for his behaviour and am considered a "Contador hater" by most of his groupies on here.

In fact I never even brought up Contador as any sort of moral example in the first place. I have merely commented on an existing conversation.

The irony is that you cut out the part of my post where I was complimentary of you. Coincidence? I don't think you are a Contador apologist by any stretch. But I do think that you are willing to make arguments and define terms so that you come off as being 'right'. It is reminiscent of our long drawn out discussion last year about how you use hyperbole. By any definition of the word, Contador is being a hypocrite. And it is NOT purely because he is saying he is clean. That, as you correctly stated earlier, is just a lie. It is all the moralizing about his victories as due to only hard work and sacrifice, which he says those jerseys are a testament to that crosses the line. I've made that point enough times for it to be crystal clear.

I am not going to address the SKY part of your post, because it is OT in this thread.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

It seems like you're defining hypocrisy in such a narrow way so that you won't have to include Contador.

That's a pretty pathetic below the belt kick attempt. I have never shied away from attacking Contador for his behaviour and am considered a "Contador hater" by most of his groupies on here.

In fact I never even brought up Contador as any sort of moral example in the first place. I have merely commented on an existing conversation.

The irony is that you cut out the part of my post where I was complimentary of you. Coincidence? I don't think you are a Contador apologist by any stretch. But I do think that you are willing to make arguments and define terms so that you come off as being 'right'. It is reminiscent of our long drawn out discussion last year about how you use hyperbole. By any definition of the word, Contador is being a hypocrite. And it is NOT purely because he is saying he is clean. That, as you correctly stated earlier, is just a lie. It is all the moralizing about his victories as due to only hard work and sacrifice, which he says those jerseys are a testament to that crosses the line. I've made that point enough times for it to be crystal clear.

I am not going to address the SKY part of your post, because it is OT in this thread.

That makes him an immoral lying doper, not a hypocrite.

 

[djpbaltimore]

According to the definition of the word, that does make him a hypocrite.

Hypocrisy: The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re:

According to the definition of the word, that does make him a hypocrite.

Hypocrisy: The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform

Okay, for me hypocrisy would be calling out someone for something you yourself do as well.

 

[djpbaltimore]

As I stated earlier in reply to another poster, agreement is not mandatory. If you don't think that Contador is a hypocrite, than that is entirely your prerogative. If people want to argue that Contador is not as bad as other dopers, that is their prerogative. These are all subjective opinions. I can understand why people feel the way that they do, but that doesn't mean that I agree with those feelings. I only came back to the topic at hand to correct an earlier post that I felt misrepresented what I had posted in this thread.

EDIT, what really bothers me most about dopers besides the act of doping itself, is the lack of real remorse. And that doesn't include the 'I'm remorseful that I got caught so I will bleat a lot of phony platitudes' bit. I could forgive a massive hypocrite if they showed true remorse. It is something in very short supply in the peloton IMO.

 

[ray j willings]

You have to keep the media happy . look at that [ think of the worst 4 letter word and insert here] Millar. I want Bertie to blow everyone away at next years tour and if has to dope up to the eyeballs I don't care. They all do it.

 

[Bronstein]

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You have to keep the media happy . look at that [ think of the worst 4 letter word and insert here] Millar. I want Bertie to blow everyone away at next years tour and if has to dope up to the eyeballs I don't care. They all do it.

No, they don't. Just because all of the high profile riders are probably doping doesn't mean every professional cyclist is a doper.

 

[Archibald]

Doubt it - Spanish fans will be overlooking that in favour of "He's Alberto's butcher!". It's not like he sold rancid and rotting meat.

In the Basque Country? Yeah no.

sure, but is that where the butcher is from/located?

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

You have to keep the media happy . look at that [ think of the worst 4 letter word and insert here] Millar. I want Bertie to blow everyone away at next years tour and if has to dope up to the eyeballs I don't care. They all do it.

No, they don't. Just because all of the high profile riders are probably doping doesn't mean every professional cyclist is a doper.

All the ones that matter do

 

[dacooley]

Re: Re:

Since you are a self proclaimed massive froome fan who's entire posting history consists of defending his honour against Contador fan versions of yourself, I can't help but laugh at your accusation of bias.

i try to be objective. if you show me exaggerations in froome's favour from racing point of view you strongly disagree with, i'll be glad to discuss it fair and wide.

Maybe you just don't understand what a moral code is and want to dumb everything down to the level of people supporting favourite riders.

hypocrisy and moral code are very wide concepts and everyone sees them differently so let's agree to disagree

i can call numerous doping-related things i strongly dislike about both contador and froome, but that's way better to look at them from positive side. only with this way of thinking clear-headed cycling fans should percieve modern cycling because doping itself and willingness to explain all the things in a doping light gradually kill a sense of real bike racing.

Err, shouldn't you be blaming the people who dope and fascilitate doping, and not those who merely talk about it?

Oh and thanks for the advice on how "clear headed cycling fans" should approach doping (ignore it and celebrate everyone), but I think I'll pass.

i didn't intend to hurt you. again, i prefer to treat both well instead of throwing mud at one's corner or at both corners at the same time.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Some would say Omerta is the worst hypocrisy in pro-cycling and Contador has always been one of its leading ambassadors. He has been up there in the pro-peleton longer than a Froome or Wiggins.

Love Contador as a rider but he's on the sauce just as much as anyone.

Exactly! To say otherwise (after knowing his past history), is just foolishness.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Re: Re:

It seems like you're defining hypocrisy in such a narrow way so that you won't have to include Contador.

That's a pretty pathetic below the belt kick attempt. I have never shied away from attacking Contador for his behaviour and am considered a "Contador hater" by most of his groupies on here.

In fact I never even brought up Contador as any sort of moral example in the first place. I have merely commented on an existing conversation.

The irony is that you cut out the part of my post where I was complimentary of you. Coincidence? I don't think you are a Contador apologist by any stretch. But I do think that you are willing to make arguments and define terms so that you come off as being 'right'. It is reminiscent of our long drawn out discussion last year about how you use hyperbole. By any definition of the word, Contador is being a hypocrite. And it is NOT purely because he is saying he is clean. That, as you correctly stated earlier, is just a lie. It is all the moralizing about his victories as due to only hard work and sacrifice, which he says those jerseys are a testament to that crosses the line. I've made that point enough times for it to be crystal clear.

I am not going to address the SKY part of your post, because it is OT in this thread.

That makes him an immoral lying doper, not a hypocrite.

Lol! It does actually. That's Exactly what Contadoper is, let's call it what it is, hypocrisy. If you choose not to believe it, that's your right. Anything out of Contadopers mouth is mostly(and probably) a lie.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Re: Re:

According to the definition of the word, that does make him a hypocrite.

Hypocrisy: The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform

Okay, for me hypocrisy would be calling out someone for something you yourself do as well.

Similar/almost the same.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Re: Re:

You have to keep the media happy . look at that [ think of the worst 4 letter word and insert here] Millar. I want Bertie to blow everyone away at next years tour and if has to dope up to the eyeballs I don't care. They all do it.

No, they don't. Just because all of the high profile riders are probably doping doesn't mean every professional cyclist is a doper.

Exactly! 100% truthful.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Some would say Omerta is the worst hypocrisy in pro-cycling and Contador has always been one of its leading ambassadors. He has been up there in the pro-peleton longer than a Froome or Wiggins.

Love Contador as a rider but he's on the sauce just as much as anyone.

Exactly! To say otherwise (after knowing his past history), is just foolishness.

Who the hell said otherwise?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Lol! It does actually. That's Exactly what Contadoper is, let's call it what it is, hypocrisy. If you choose not to believe it, that's your right. Anything out of Contadopers mouth is mostly(and probably) a lie.

How old are you

 

[infeXio]

Re: Re:

Lol! It does actually. That's Exactly what Contadoper is, let's call it what it is, hypocrisy. If you choose not to believe it, that's your right. Anything out of Contadopers mouth is mostly(and probably) a lie.

How old are you

Related to Big Doopie perhaps?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Lol! It does actually. That's Exactly what Contadoper is, let's call it what it is, hypocrisy. If you choose not to believe it, that's your right. Anything out of Contadopers mouth is mostly(and probably) a lie.

How old are you

Related to Big Doopie perhaps?

Nothing beats Clentadopucci!