Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[Maxiton]

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As for Contador yes he is a fraud (unlike most Sky fans I am not blind) because he is a doper. But I agree with Metabolol that it appears he has a fair dose of natural talent and I also agree with Metabolol that we cannot tell for sure. However I will defend him till my last breath if people start calling him the biggest fraud in cycling based on nothing but his massive palmares. Come back to me when you can prove that he only won those races because of the advantage he got from doping.

In the context of cycling's history and culture, which is a very real thing and definitely includes a certain measure of doping by its leading cyclists, Contador is not a fraud, he's a leading cyclist. And the closest thing the sport has to a true champion, as I think I've demonstrated.

 

[Benotti69]

To be fair on this forum you have declared Paula Radcliffe clean and told people to "stop their doping view of everything'. You told us Wiggins and Dan Martin are clean and their performances are in line with cycling cleaning up.

You mean like this:

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage Jan 14
Shussssh, don't tell anyone this but I actually used to admire @paulajradcliffe

I gave Radcliffe the benefit of doubt before. So what? Did we know what we do now? I also think O'Sullivan should be getting her medals upgraded after what's come out with the Chinese runners. If anything comes out similar as with her, the same applies.

Why quote Kimmage?

Sonia won silver height of EPO use? Care to explain how?

 

[gooner]

To be fair on this forum you have declared Paula Radcliffe clean and told people to "stop their doping view of everything'. You told us Wiggins and Dan Martin are clean and their performances are in line with cycling cleaning up.

You mean like this:

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage Jan 14
Shussssh, don't tell anyone this but I actually used to admire @paulajradcliffe

I gave Radcliffe the benefit of doubt before. So what? Did we know what we do now? I also think O'Sullivan should be getting her medals upgraded after what's come out with the Chinese runners. If anything comes out similar as with her, the same applies.

Why quote Kimmage?

Sonia won silver height of EPO use? Care to explain how?

Lets not deflect the thread. If you want, we can move to the appropriate thread.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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As for Contador yes he is a fraud (unlike most Sky fans I am not blind) because he is a doper. But I agree with Metabolol that it appears he has a fair dose of natural talent and I also agree with Metabolol that we cannot tell for sure. However I will defend him till my last breath if people start calling him the biggest fraud in cycling based on nothing but his massive palmares. Come back to me when you can prove that he only won those races because of the advantage he got from doping.

In the context of cycling's history and culture, which is a very real thing and definitely includes a certain measure of doping by its leading cyclists, Contador is not a fraud, he's a leading cyclist. And the closest thing the sport has to a true champion, as I think I've demonstrated.

I completely agree. The most healthy way to view the sport, I think.

 

[Tonton]

Yes, he is a fraud: he's a doper. He got caught. The only question is: how big a fraud? How much natural vs. artificial talent? Let's remember that Piti's fans use the same argument about natural talent: the invincible nickname argument. Froome's detractors use the argument the other way to doubt his spectacular improvements. The reality is that we don't know.

At least, he has been exposed. I find myself a bandwagon fan just because only he can beat the one who hasn't been exposed yet.

 

[42x16ss]

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for what it's worth, i agree with gooner that Contador is a major fraud enjoying uci protection. He's dodged multiple bullets with the aid of the Spanish federation as well. Hell, I remember even King Carlos and Luis Zapatero exerting pressure to get Contador off the hook.
But i would argue that Sky's obvious cheating is perhaps the single most important reason why Contador's popularity has nonetheless grown over the past few years - despite him being an obvious fraud.
Without Sky's hypocrisy, Contador would probably be a lot less popular and would probably be called out a lot more often.

David Walsh is the perfect case in point: he used to call out Contador, but his laughable Sky fanboyism leaves him no other option than to pretend Contador is clean champ.

While I agree on Op Puerto and Spanish Federation protection, I have to disagree on UCI protection, at least post 2009. If the clen positive wasn't retribution for beating Armstrong I'll eat my hat.

 

[hrotha]

Then why did the UCI try to sweep it under the rug?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Then why did the UCI try to sweep it under the rug?

Cause it would damage the reputation of cycling.

 

[sniper]

well yeah, they did send his sample to Cologne for target testing.
And i think it's still debatable whether UCI tried to really sweep his positive under the rug, or whether they just wanted to give him more time to buy them a new Sysmex.

But the view that he got screwed in 2010 and the view that he's received UCI protection pre- and post-2010 are not mutually exclusive.

 

[hrotha]

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Then why did the UCI try to sweep it under the rug?

Cause it would damage the reputation of cycling.

Right, which would make him a protected rider.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Then why did the UCI try to sweep it under the rug?

Cause it would damage the reputation of cycling.

Right, which would make him a protected rider.

But not necessarily one of the UCI's favorites. Maybe it was a warning or as sniper said they wanted some money out of him. If he was a UCI favorite his sample wouldn't even have been tested let alone by the most sensitive testing lab in Europe. I would have just "disappeared".

 

[Maxiton]

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Then why did the UCI try to sweep it under the rug?

Simple. It was important to Verbruggen - and, by extension, UCI - that Spain (and Verbruggen's coevals there) see him as trying to protect Contador - in view of the fact he'd just stuck a navaja de muelle up Contador's arse. (Apologies if navaja de muelle isn't quite right. It's the best I can do having no Spanish. Hope you know what I mean.)

 

[gooner]

Armstrong was a protected rider and was still tested which resulted in his suspicious tests at Suisse and the Dauphine. Likewise with the cortisone positive.

Who knows how far this would have gone if Seppelt and ARD didn't force their hand.

 

[Maxiton]

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Armstrong was a protected rider and was still tested which resulted in his suspicious tests at Suisse and the Dauphine. Likewise with the cortisone positive.

Who knows how far this would have gone if Seppelt and ARD didn't force their hand.

Who slipped the word to Seppelt and ARD?

 

[gooner]

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Armstrong was a protected rider and was still tested which resulted in his suspicious tests at Suisse and the Dauphine. Likewise with the cortisone positive.

Who knows how far this would have gone if Seppelt and ARD didn't force their hand.

Who slipped the word Seppelt and ARD?

A source, obviously.

Yet Seppelt/ARD contacted McQuaid who denied Contador's positive. Then straight away at the worlds, Contador announced it. Completely caught off guard, which forced them to act quickly in announcing it.

 

[Maxiton]

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Armstrong was a protected rider and was still tested which resulted in his suspicious tests at Suisse and the Dauphine. Likewise with the cortisone positive.

Who knows how far this would have gone if Seppelt and ARD didn't force their hand.

Who slipped the word Seppelt and ARD?

A source, obviously.

Yet Seppelt/ARD contacted McQuaid who denied Contador's positive. Then straight away at the worlds, Contador announced it. Completely caught off guard, which forced them to act quickly in announcing it.

Yeah, keep on believing that, pal. That, plus tithing, plus regular confession, will get you into heaven.

 

[whynotme101]

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With bertie possibly starting a new team i bet he can pass a lot of "experience" and "racing knowledge" onto the young riders - I expect several young riders to appear from no where and do great things for his team.

 

[burning]

I guess we need a bump to celebrate today's performance.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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A L B E R T O

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Re: nairo

He rode like Wiggins on the descend but the ascend was nice, dope if you want to talk slang.

 

[Maxiton]

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I guess we need a bump to celebrate today's performance.

Should have bumped the other one.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I guess we need a bump to celebrate today's performance.

Should have bumped the other one.

Good point

 

[Tonton]

Well, as disappointed as I am, I can look at it from the positive standpoint that Tibopino's performance wont feed the "Random French" thread. Thibaut, obviously, is human. I hope he is . I can't buy a book by its cover, but many indicators show that Pinot could end up being the best rider of his generation and have little to show for.

6.6 for such a short climb is not mutant, so Bertie is innocent for now . God bless LaFlo, and the others who feel about him like I felt about post-ban Virenque. Ahahaha never felt you got cheated...

Something tells me he's gonna be full *** at the TdF...that's the only way he can win it. He has no team.

Froome ftw. Unless Bertie loads up, responds well and gets a pass.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I double-checked with ammattipyoraily and he says that because of the false flat at the top, 6.6 is likely an underestimation and ~0.2 should be added
By the way, Tonton, Tibopino broke his power record for a 15 minute ascent, so a fine performance by him also

 

[dacooley]

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I double-checked with ammattipyoraily and he says that because of the false flat at the top, 6.6 is likely an underestimation and ~0.2 should be added
By the way, Tonton, Tibopino broke his power record for a 15 minute ascent, so a fine performance by him also

until he beats god-like bertie