Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[Runitout]

You don't understand the reasons why? I'll explain it once again. I don't know if he dopes, so I have to believe something, namely I believe that he's a doper or I believe he isn't. And because I have to choose anyway, I choose to believe Alberto because I want to believe he's innocent because I want him to be innocent. But then again if he admits to doping at a certain point then so be it. It won't keep me awake at night.

Righto. So you'll believe him until he admits otherwise. Fair enough. My burden of proof is somewhat different. Given the numbers of top GC riders who proclaim cleanliness and prove positive, I'll choose to think somewhat differently - but hey, whatever floats your boat.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I would have thought it's pretty straightforward. I haven't used any complicated words.

I mean what did it have to do with my post?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Righto. So you'll believe him until he admits otherwise. Fair enough. My burden of proof is somewhat different. Given the numbers of top GC riders who proclaim cleanliness and prove positive, I'll choose to think somewhat differently - but hey, whatever floats your boat.

I'd never forgive myself if I believe he dopes and it turns out he doesn't.

 

[Runitout]

I'd never forgive myself if I believe he dopes and it turns out he doesn't.

But you just said that you "don't care if he dopes, because [you] love him for other reasons". So why the "I'll never forgive myself" histrionics? Surely it's immaterial.

 

[the big ring]

But you just said that you "don't care if he dopes, because [you] love him for other reasons". So why the "I'll never forgive myself" histrionics? Surely it's immaterial.

No offence, but they were yanking your chain. You can't convince someone to change their minds, but you can argue their points.

Only that person can change their mind, only when they choose to.

 

[LaFlorecita]

But you just said that you "don't care if he dopes, because [you] love him for other reasons". So why the "I'll never forgive myself" histrionics? Surely it's immaterial.

Hm? Yeah I don't care if he dopes? What I mean is that it would feel like I betrayed him, which of course would not be the case but still.

 

[airstream]

Yeah I don't care if he dopes? What I mean is that it would feel like I betrayed him, which of course would not be the case but still.

What's the difference? Anyways he'll never know about that. Cheering is a sacral thing surely, but sooner or later you'll collide with the fact that he betrayed you.

 

[LaFlorecita]

What's the difference? Anyways he'll never know about that. Cheering is a sacral thing surely, but sooner or later you'll collide with the fact that he betrayed you.

I knew such a reply would come

 

[sniper]

Another Contadirt thread turning into a Florecita monologue?

Anyway, with the heat on Contador's home dealer Marti, the chances are quite good that AC is clean at present. On the other hand, the RFEC has not yet announced its recognition of USADA's lifetime banning of Marti. If there is one place on earth where Marti can still sell his goods without having to watch his back it's probably now at the Vuelta. But Contador might be cleverer than that. So I'm guessing he's clean now.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Another Contador thread turning into a Florecita monologue?

Anyway, with the heat on Contador's home dealer Marti, the chances are quite good that AC is clean at present. On the other hand, the RFEC has not yet announced its recognition of USADA's lifetime banning of Marti. If there is one place on earth where Marti can still sell his goods without having to watch his back it's probably now at the Vuelta. But Contador might be cleverer than that. So I'm guessing he's clean now.

Hello I didn't even start it And if everyone would just understand me (they don't! have to agree) we would have been done hours ago.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I disagree.

How can you disagree with how I feel Are you a psychologist?

It's the other way around, he betrayed his fans when he doped. He had no regards for any cycling fan when he did what he did and on top of it come up with the laughable excuse and play the victim card.

Yeah, though, I certainly don't feel betrayed.

Deep down I think you know he doped but you just don't have it in you to say it and you feel it would be going strongly against your loyalty to Contador.

Know, pff, of course I don't "know" he doped. Of course there is a big possibility he doped but I am not sure and because I am not sure I want to believe him. And hello I have my pride, I'm not gonna say I believe Alberto doped just because you all want me to.

Personally I would'nt think you would be unloyal and it would actually show you are more open-minded and not have blind faith.

Well that is your opinion then, I think I am quite open-minded and I certainly don't have blind faith and yes, I think that it would make me unloyal if I would call him a cheat/doper because I am supposed to support him. If even his biggest fans aren't supporting him then why are they even fans? Fans are supposed to be loyal.

Remember the sport should come before any individual no matter how big a fan of a cyclist you are.

Yeah I'm not stupid, I still remember that from the 10000 times you told me the exact same thing before.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I don't need to be a psychologist to have a different and alternative view to you on the hole betrayal thing. That's a first. You have to be a psychologist now to disagree with someone.

I'm sorry, I thought you meant you disagreed with the fact I would feel like I betrayed him. Needless to say you can't know how I would feel.

So there we have it, because you are a fan, no matter what he does you will refuse to criticise him. I think we can end this conversation now since nothing constructive will come out of it with a stance like that from you. That's just plain stubborness.

You can still follow a rider and acknowledge someone's flaws. No one is perfect unless it is Sir Bertie of course.

No of course not. Of course I won't refuse to criticise him. The thing is that since I don't necessarily believe he is a cheat what should I criticise him for? Of course he has his flaws just like everyone else. I just don't think doping is one of them. If he really is a doper then I would be sad and disappointed at first, not because he doped but because he lied. I would understand it though and I would certainly not love him any less.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Since this thread isn´t anymore about if AC still dopes, let me post just here again:

This guy AC came away with his doping since at least 2007, with a lot of help from the spanish governing bodies, while other riders (who were doped too indeed) were sacrificed as scapegoats. That unfairness is a crying shame to every neutral observer.

So let´s all hope that AC will be beaten hard, devastating and mortifyingly in this Vuelta. AC shall never ever win a GT again. All his fame and wealth is built on lies and cheating. He is no inch better than Armstrong. These kind of guys, lying straight faced w/o feeling any guilt but playing the victim instead, are just verminous.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Since this thread isn´t anymore about if AC still dopes, let me post just here again:

This guy AC came away with his doping since at least 2007, with a lot of help from the spanish governing bodies, while other riders (who were doped too indeed) were sacrificed as scapegoats. That unfairness is a crying shame to every neutral observer.

So let´s all hope that AC will be beaten hard, devastating and mortifyingly in this Vuelta. AC shall never ever win a GT again. All his fame and wealth is built on lies and cheating. He is no inch better than Armstrong. These kind of guys, lying straight faced w/o feeling any guilt but playing the victim instead, are just verminous.

Ouch it must really hurt you to see him back. Come on he served his time. And it hurts me to see you compare him to Armstrong. You say he is no inch better than Armstrong, I say Alberto is lightyears better than Armstrong.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I could'nt of said it better myself. Two faced liars the lot of them.

Ha funny, weren't you the one constantly talking about "moving on"? I'm disappointed.

Anyway Contador is back soon. It may come as a surprise but I am looking forward to it now as well. Cycling has badly missed his type of riding this year. He has almost served his ban so we move on and let's enjoy his cycling now.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Anyway my opinion is obviously not welcome, so I'll just leave ya'll here with your hate. And gooner please stop sending me PMs that are nothing but a lie. They made me respect you and made me think you had another side to you. Apparently not. And what's even more sad is that you felt the need to do such things at a moment that was obviously very emotional for me.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I could'nt of said it better myself. Two faced liars the lot of them.

Thanks for the flowers.

Ouch it must really hurt you to see him back. Come on he served his time. And it hurts me to see you compare him to Armstrong. You say he is no inch better than Armstrong, I say Alberto is lightyears better than Armstrong.

Yeah it´s disgusting. But the much better i´ll feel when he lost.

Anyway my opinion is obviously not welcome, so I'll just leave ya'll here with your hate. And gooner please stop sending me PMs that are nothing but a lie.

Ok, ciao, ciao.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yeah it´s disgusting. But the much better i´ll feel when he lost.

Ok, ciao, ciao.

Pathetic really. Even I don't hate a certain cyclist as much as you do.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Just hate liars who twist reality and play the victim card. Armstrong, AC & Valv-Piti are the worst of them...

 

[LaFlorecita]

Just hate liars who twist reality and play the victim card. Armstrong, AC & Valv-Piti are the worst of them...

And you wouldn't lie if you were in such a position of course. I don't say it's right but it's what most of us would do. Getting caught and then admitting is basically ruining your whole career. And that while knowing that the others aren't any better but are getting away with it.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Why? Basso did it, Zabel did, Ullrich to some extend (he never said "i did not dope", but "i didn´t cheat anybody"). Whatever, Ullrich was too late anyway, but Basso and Zabel came back relatively ok after admitting. AFIR Scarponi did admit. JV did to some extend even before lately.... etc., etc.

But Armstrong and AC saying straight faced "never doped", yet fully aware that they indeed doped is blatant to say the least.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I see this discussion is going nowhere. Better drop it

 

[Hugh Januss]

I almost don't want to continue this, as pointing out Florencita's blind fangirlism feels a little like beating a puppy, but here goes.
One only has to study the past 25 or so years of pro cycling to realize that it takes a huge leap of faith to believe that any contender in any GT in that period of time was not doping, even if he has managed to avoid being caught. Hell even that paragon of "clean cycling" Cadel Evens is a 4 on the suspicion list which is a bit like blowing .09 while swearing you are as sober as a judge. To be able to think that one who has been implicated in a doping ring and failed a test and been sanctioned is not doping is just crazy-talk.
Lance deserves to go down simply for the scope of his fraud, and because maybe (just maybe) he brings the UCI down with him, but make no mistake your boy Contador is on the protected list too.
They all dope and they all have taken us for idiots (if they think about us at all) when they come up with their stories, they are in fact all "two faced liars".
Does this thinking mean I can't be a fan? I don't think so, it just means I can't get fooled again.
Foxy I have to take exception with your statement that Contador is as bad as Lance, as I have said no one else has achieved that level of deception. I'd say Alberto is as bad as Vino, or Floyd, or Indurain, Riis, Ullrich, the list is long.
That's all I have to say about that.

 

[LaFlorecita]

How many times do I have to write "I know there is a big chance he dopes" before the blind fangirlism thing finally goes away?

 

[LaFlorecita]

By the way Alberto is not my boy.