Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[sniper]

Oh aren't you funny.

Someone posted that it can be used but I find it dubious, let's assume he doped before he tested positive, well he got caught and served time for it. Imo that would mean he gets banned twice for the same offence.

Of course you'd love it, quite pathetic really that you hate him that much. Jesus, he's had his ban now let's please move on.

Sad to see how your sense of humor deserts you everytime Dirty is discussed.
You're behaving like the LA fanboys, accusing everybody who doesn't side with your hero of hatership.
Whatever and quadrupel facepalm.
p.s. If criticism of Aldirto annoys you, do yourself a favor and stop reading the clinic (or at the very least put me on your ignore list)

 

[noddy69]

I get your point, but doping like sky at the TdF where they are so strong that they prevent ANY attack from even happening is not watchable. We prefer individuals doping to a limited extend ( let's face it , you can't dope as well on your own than in a team wide doping system, money organization, free pass etc.)

Now if you're saying sky wasn't doped then I don't really see how we can believe in any future for clean cycling, if an unclean peloton is so completely powerless against a clean team that no attacks happen during this tour. What will a CLEAN peloton do against sky?

Believing that sky is clean and that the unclean peloton can do nothing IS believing in the end of cycling, what gustienordic said isn't.

Do you really want a tour that will be decided over 2 TTs and casual strolling for the rest of the two weeks?

I didnt mention sky, just doping. Your idea that you dont mind a few doping is just plain wrong In my humble opinion. The public want exciting racing and thats understandable, but at what expense.
Cycling should strive to be clean for fairness and we should no longer put up with the drug culture. It takes peoples lives and destroys others livelihoods and from what you wrote its all for your entertainment.
Its that attitude that I can not understand when you know what it means.

 

[noddy69]

None of us know for sure which riders dope except if they confess. So I and many others just try to watch and enjoy cycling. I'm not gonna question every rider I see on the TV screen. I get that you and other people don't like Alberto but you can't attack other people for liking him. We like excitement and no I am not gonna question how the riders give us that excitement. We don't forgive anyone who is doping we just don't care.

So your quite happy that guys are dying young through drug use because of the culture that has grown in cycling to succeed. You are also quite happy that others are robbed of success because they wont dope to succeed. All so you can enjoy cycling.
Not the most ethical of standpoints really now is it?

 

[LaFlorecita]

So your quite happy that guys are dying young through drug use because of the culture that has grown in cycling to succeed. You are also quite happy that others are robbed of success because they wont dope to succeed. All so you can enjoy cycling.
Not the most ethical of standpoints really now is it?

Overreacting much

 

[noddy69]

Overreacting much

Just bringing a dose of reality to the situation.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Sad to see how your sense of humor deserts you everytime Contador is discussed.

I don't have a sense of humour.

You're behaving like the LA fanboys, accusing everybody who doesn't side with your hero of hatership.

So are you arguing you aren't a hater? Tbh you seem to be the one that "dislikes" Alberto the most on this forum. On the other side (probably what you think of as "the dark side") you are used as an example when there is a discussion about hating Alberto.

p.s. If criticism of Contador annoys you, do yourself a favor and stop reading the clinic (or at the very least put me on your ignore list)

No because I want to know what's going on over here.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Just bringing a dose of reality to the situation.

I'm not supporting doping use I just don't care about it. But I understand that that is a view that's rarely seen here in the clinic.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Overreacting much

Not sure how that is overreacting? It seems like the reality of the situation.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Not sure how that is overreacting? It seems like the reality of the situation.

Well all I say is that I don't care about doping but that I care about excitement and then he apparently thinks I am happy people are dying because of doping or getting robbed of success.

I don't care that people are smoking, it's their own choice, but that doesn't mean I am happy people die because of it

 

[noddy69]

I'm not supporting doping use I just don't care about it. But I understand that that is a view that's rarely seen here in the clinic.

Ok then lets change the argument. Lets leave his meat eating episode out of the equation and start again. Imagine Alberto gets caught for epo use after the vuelta and the result is definite. He comes out and says to succeed he felt he had to dope as the other major contenders were. He gets a lifetime ban.
How would you feel about the culture of doping if your man could no longer cycle because of the prevailing cycling culture of drug use.

Would you blame Alberto for cheating or want the culture to change because it was at fault for his downfall ?

He isnt doping so not applicable is not a valid answer to this one.

 

[Lanark]

Why not start watching american wrestling then, if spectacle is all that matters. Cycling, like all sports, have rules. If people cheat those rules to the detriment of people who do abide by them, I can't see how you could cheer for them just because they cause excitement (possibly only because they cheat). You don't have to demonize people who cheat, but celebrating them just because they make some spectacle seems like the rationalisation by a fanboy(/girl).

 

[LaFlorecita]

Ok then lets change the argument. Lets leave his meat eating episode out of the equation and start again. Imagine Alberto gets caught for epo use after the vuelta and the result is definite. He comes out and says to succeed he felt he had to dope as the other major contenders were. He gets a lifetime ban.
How would you feel about the culture of doping if your man could no longer cycle because of the prevailing cycling culture of drug use.

Would you blame Alberto for cheating or want the culture to change because it was at fault for his downfall ?

He isnt doping so not applicable is not a valid answer to this one.

No I would not blame him and no I would not want the culture to change because of it. I would understand it and move on.

 

[No_Balls]

yeah, people going crazy over on the vuelta threads. glorifying clentadope no end, welcoming him back.

i just don't get it.

Because he makes the races exiting?

it's so unfair/disrespectful of any rider who is riding clean, to commend clentadope because he can attack like that on his return from a doping ban.

Which riders do you mean were clean if they was able to comfortably follow that doped up rider according to you? Let me guess: Froome?

perhaps (i doubt it) that clentadope is now riding clean, but even so, why would any fan be happy upon his return, since we simply can no longer believe his performances.

i want real riding. granted that is really hard to be sure of these days. and i fear this vuelta will be no such a thing.

No you dont. You want to whine a bit.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why not start watching american wrestling then, if spectacle is all that matters. Cycling, like all sports, have rules. If people cheat those rules to the detriment of people who do abide by them, I can't see how you could cheer for them just because they cause excitement (possibly only because they cheat). You don't have to demonize people who cheat, but celebrating them just because they make some spectacle seems like the rationalisation by a fanboy(/girl).

So I am not allowed to cheer for Alberto because he might use doping? That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard. Lol, no one would be allowed to have favourite riders anymore.

I don't understand what you are all trying to say. Everyone has their favourite cyclists and we all like them for different reasons and I like mine because they are exciting to watch. Then people say "but hey he's doping" and I say well I don't care.

 

[LaFlorecita]

No you dont. You want to whine a bit.

Lol so funny

 

[noddy69]

No I would not blame him and no I would not want the culture to change because of it. I would understand it and move on.

Back to my first points then. You dont care about those cheated of success or those who feel they have to dope and pay with their lives. You dont care that people are cheating others out of a career. Its not over reacting its just plain fact that these things are happening and have happened.

All because you want excitement.......reality check, racing was exciting before the wonder drugs came in. All they did was mean that clean riders could no longer compete. So by following exciting cycling for your pleasure your just following the lie that the dopers have managed to conjure up.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Back to my first points then. You dont care about those cheated of success or those who feel they have to dope and pay with their lives. You dont care that people are cheating others out of a career. Its not over reacting its just plain fact that these things are happening and have happened.

All because you want excitement.......reality check, racing was exciting before the wonder drugs came in. All they did was mean that clean riders could no longer compete. So by following exciting cycling for your pleasure your just following the lie that the dopers have managed to conjure up.

If you say so.

 

[wannab]

Let them dope, let them dope unconditionally, I don't care as long there is excitement ...

wow this is really great stuff

 

[LaFlorecita]

Let them dope, let them dope unconditionally, I don't care as long there is excitement ...

wow this is really great stuff

For the 1000000000000000000000000th time that is not my point. God this is annoying.

 

[No_Balls]

Lol so funny

I thought you had no humour.

 

[johnnycash]

Florecita, I don't believe that you don't care about doping in cycling. If you are a cyclist we all care, as it has the potential to destroy the professional sport. Look at the prize money for the tour. 1st place for probably the most physically demanding race in any sport in the world, and they get 400K euro. Premier league footballers get almost that in one week, for at most 90mins of sport.

What I believe is that you have invested emotionally in one athelete and when he was caught, its easier for you to shrug it off as if you don't care rather than state the facts, he cheated. If AC was clean, and his closest rival got caught, I suspect your views would be different. Although in fairness to you, your sig does disclaim a slight bias.

But you say you want excitement in cycling. Presumeably the way AC races. I do too, but if every result has an asterix by it in your mind as you think it may not actually be true, whats the point?

Cycling needs to be clean in the 21st century, otherwise racing will suffer. We'll have fewer, larger, teams and the races will be dominated by those teams rather than the most talented individuals. Less dope equals better image, which equals more sponsorship and better financed teams. Sky have insisted they are 100% clean and i suspect thats contractual with News Corp. Why? because Murdoch cares about the health of his racers? No. because Skys image would be damaged if anyone got caught. Ergo, doping costs the sport.

 

[RichWalk]

I didnt mention sky, just doping. Your idea that you dont mind a few doping is just plain wrong In my humble opinion. The public want exciting racing and thats understandable, but at what expense.
Cycling should strive to be clean for fairness and we should no longer put up with the drug culture. It takes peoples lives and destroys others livelihoods and from what you wrote its all for your entertainment.
Its that attitude that I can not understand when you know what it means.

I'll go a little further on the bolded comment, I agree this is what 'sells' but since the early 90's the generally uninformed public has been digesting 'unbelievable racing' and as many have said until a top-down change occurs there will always be doubts.

Theres not IMO one jot of evidence to suggest 'clean racing' won't be just as exiting, sure the times will be slower and the wattage outputs less, but I'd put up with that any day of the week

 

[Bicycle]

Rupert Murdoch's never going to know though is he unless someone gets caught. And presumably the intention of dopers is to evade detection.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I get your point, but doping like sky at the TdF where they are so strong that they prevent ANY attack from even happening is not watchable. We prefer individuals doping to a limited extend ( let's face it , you can't dope as well on your own than in a team wide doping system, money organization, free pass etc.)

Now if you're saying sky wasn't doped then I don't really see how we can believe in any future for clean cycling, if an unclean peloton is so completely powerless against a clean team that no attacks happen during this tour. What will a CLEAN peloton do against sky?

Believing that sky is clean and that the unclean peloton can do nothing IS believing in the end of cycling, what gustienordic said isn't.

Do you really want a tour that will be decided over 2 TTs and casual strolling for the rest of the two weeks?

You display both an anti-Sky bias and an astonishing double-standard. You seem to be saying its ok for individuals to dope because that's entertaining but a team doing isn't, so they shouldn't. This place needs objective analysis, not myopic voicing of opinions.

If Sky raced clean then you're just going to have to suck it up and find another sport to complain about. A lot of Sky's domination was down to the parcours. better race design and better competition is needed in the future, not individuals doping

 

[wannab]

I'm not supporting doping use I just don't care about it.

Well all I say is that I don't care about doping but that I care about excitement

I don't care that people are smoking, it's their own choice, but that doesn't mean I am happy people die because of it

So Bertie doped, you did not support it, yet conveniently did not care about it either because it brought excitement.

So what if Froome was doped and Contador not, but bringing excitement, would you still not care?

Last time I checked doping directly affects other people too, that's why I care about it