Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[slowspoke]

His TUE for 52% Hct, will help his comeback me thinks.

 

[buckle]

I thought this thread was about Contador and not Wiggins?

RE: Wiggins- No smoking gun yet, but some eyebrow-raising things have come to light

RE: Contador: Plasticeser (sp?) in Blood could be a smoking gun?

As for the future, could be strange times with the obvious corruption of the UCI being displayed by Pat for anyone who has been paying attention to the Armstrong affair. What would Contador be thinking at a time like this? Is this good for me, or bad for me? Perhaps the safe thing to do may be to wait and see how this all shakes out. Do I have protecters in the UCI ? have they exposed themselves? Will it matter? Is Sky the new protected team? Is the UCI untouchable by anyone?

Excellent post and I have yet to vote. This sways me towards a no in the short term:

a) I don't think he can afford to do it properly (and effectively as SKY i.e. fund a team)
b) The USADA story may well have spooked him
c) Doping is not in tune with Spain's economic crisis and the mood of the nation in general

 

[airstream]

i also love how since a canadian won the giro and an australian the tour they won them clean but i bet if contador wins the vuelta this year he will be dirtier then ever despite having more talent on his pinky toe then hesjedal has on his entire body (yes an exaggeration)

That's too simplified approach, even considering it's an exaggeration. A hard work sometimes beats talent; talent can be opened up when a rider isn't already so young; familiar talents are followed by new ones, etc, etc. To compare everyone to Contador and think if he couldn't win clean then any other a fortiori сan not too [again, even if you implied that facetiously] is not smart...

 

[Dr.Sahl]

Will Alberto Contador be back to his old doping habits when He returns to the Peloton.

No, he don't have too.. they just found out that he got Schistosomiasis and that the doctors can fix it, they think he will become 70% stronger

 

[gjdavis60]

He'll be as "clean" as the testing regime forces him to be, just like everyone else who has big ambitions.

 

[iZnoGouD]

He'll be as "clean" as the testing regime forces him to be, just like everyone else who has big ambitions.

+1 it has always been that way

he is so naturally strong he doesn't need to take as much risks as others but he probably will anyway

 

[DirtyWorks]

I don't know why he'd dope, as you can now win GTs clean.

Good one!

I think Sky's got some more credits at the UCI to close the fairy tale Grand Tour year at the Vuelta. I can easily imagine the UCI warning teams to lay off the dope to tilt the probability of a Sky win to Froome.

If there's a Sky train at the Vuelta, we will have witnessed season long domination of a truly epic scale.

-Merckx's domination was basically him.
-Sketchy podium sweeps at one-days during the EPO era.
-USPS domination at one grand tour.

I could go on, but the point is Sky clearly surpasses every one of these. The results of a Lemond and Hinault are practically ordinary in comparison.

Contador has second or third wrapped up. Froome wins by 7 minutes.

 

[No_Balls]

i also love how since a canadian won the giro and an australian the tour they won them clean but i bet if contador wins the vuelta this year he will be dirtier then ever despite having more talent on his pinky toe then hesjedal has on his entire body (yes an exaggeration

Many people in here, specially the self-proclaimed "doping hunters", are frauds who dont care that much about doping as long as they could have "their" riders beyond doubt. Of course they scratch a little, at very suspect performances, on their "own" riders to not loose face, but most of all they are more intrested in doping that occurs beyond their own borders. Now, when the olympics are over, they could breathe again (given the VERY suspect raise in perfomances coming from the british) and continuing to fire at will against everyone which first language is not english.

and this allegations that wiggins is completely clean are beyond pathetic, his leap in performance has only been surpassed by armstrong's and we all know how armstrong did it, which was by losing weight and high cadence

"Gooner", "Ireland". Ring a bell?

 

[B_Ugli]

Of course he will still be on it.

Forget all the spin about cycling being cleaner, biological passports, blah blah blah.

These guys are essentially gamblers so they start of with (a) looking at the odds of getting caught and (b) how much they can invest. Things that can stack the odds into their favour:

1. A governing body willing to turn a blind eye to suspicious blood profiles
2. A governing body willing to meet with your team manager (we know Bruyneel did this) and give you the exact nature and manner in which testing will be done.
3. A doctor who knows how to get around the testing protocol.
4. A doctor that will make sure your tracks are covered and miniscule amounts of banned substance dont show up.

Contador came unstuck at (4) above. Whoever advised him was either unaware or didnt check the levels that could be picked up. He simply wont do the same again making damn sure that his Dr is bang on the money this time around.

Then there is the financials. Hypothetically lets assume AC earns 1 million a year but he knows that if he gets back up to winning grand tours this doubles to 2 million. Even if he invests 10% of his first years earnings 100,000 into his "preparation" this could help to multiply his income by 100%.

Like I say these guys simply invest & gamble. This is why they put up the whole "I was a victim" spin. The more they protect their "brand" the more they can capitalise on its money making capacity on their comeback.

Whats worrying is that a lot of people have been taken in by AC and some consider the amount of clen so small as to suggest that he didnt test positive at all

 

[ebandit]

well prepared

I'm sure that Alberto will be well prepared

I can't be certain that Banned Substances will be employed but I have My doubts...........as sadly I must with successful Riders

but now Alberto has Paid His Due..............good Luck to Him

I notice above Post Suggesting that Teams other than Sky will be Advised by UCI to lay off the Juice to Boost chances of a Sky Win

Conspiracy Theories can be Fun but this Idea seems to stretch credibility
if indeed a Team was Warned by UCI such a Warning would sure to be leaked to the Media

 

[DirtyWorks]

If indeed a Team was Warned by UCI such a Warning would sure to be leaked to the Media

Maybe my conspiracy is false. As stated above and shown repeatedly, we know the UCI is not an objective anti-doping authority. It picks winners.

What would the motivation be for leaking a letter that states "Riders X, Y, and Z have suspicious bio-passport parameters?" That works against the team. Doubly so if it is followed with an excuse like "Pat is picking on us."

 

[No_Balls]

We also know that UCI tries to stop a legal process trying to clean up the sport. A process which no doubt would have cast long shadows after them (defending LA) and may point out them right down in the snakepit.

I however dont think they will lend over La Vuelta so easily. That would made it even more suspect. A "glorious defeat" will cushion the predicatable lesser next year as they cant continue the way they have. The benefit they had this season was the olympics and with that off the pressure to deliver as they have will be enormous and even more so with two GT under their belt.

This season Sky have been protected by McQuaids mouth. But with him as trustworthy as Emperor Palpatine, due to reasons already written, since his letter they need to put a nice end to this chapter.

 

[No_Balls]

Doublepost.

 

[sniper]

I don't know why he'd dope, as you can now win GTs clean.

lovely
......

 

[sniper]

I don't know why he'd dope, as you can now win GTs clean.

sweet

like you guys, looking forward to the vuelta. Froome:Contador show down. Tasty. Two guys who want to win this one desperately.

Contador clearly has to watch his steps as he is (at least indirectly) implied in USADA's cases against Marti and Bruyneel.

Contador's gains, if any, will be marginal.

 

[Paco_P]

The lesson most learn from being caught, when they learn any lesson at all, is not to get caught again. No more mistakes!

 

[ebandit]

the Conspiracy continues

maybe Contador too will learn from His previous Mistake or show Greater Caution

No_Balls it is to be Expected that Fans will Always find excuse for Their Favourite Riders

DirtyWorks while I Understand where Your coming from I still do NOT think that the UCI can Decide Who Wins/or Loses a Grand Tour
without doubt the UCI can and has shown Preference for certain Riders/Teams but My Gut Feeling is that 'Turning a Blind Eye' is ALL that such Favouritism entails

 

[Ferminal]

sweet

like you guys, looking forward to the vuelta. Froome:Contador show down. Tasty. Two guys who want to win this one desperately.

Contador clearly has to watch his steps as he is (at least indirectly) implied in USADA's cases against Marti and Bruyneel.

Contador's gains, if any, will be marginal.

I'm not sure if Froome can handle another three weeks at his absolute best. Even finishing second will be a great performance.

Cobo is the one to watch IMO.

 

[TylerDurden1]

Contador will always take the shortcut ... he's willing to attack the yellow during a mech problem, that makes me wonder what other unfair advantages he's willing to take

 

[Ferminal]

Shortcut..?

 

[Centurion]

I'm not sure if Froome can handle another three weeks at his absolute best.

I agree with You on this point. With a hard three weeks at the Tour just behind him. Finishing in second overall. It remains to be seen how well he has recovered. On top of that he has never competed in two Grand Tours in the same Year. But we shall see.

 

[sniper]

Contador will always take the shortcut ...he's willing to attack the yellow during a mech problem, that makes me wonder what other unfair advantages he's willing to take

marginal gains you mean?

 

[the big ring]

I agree with You on this point. With a hard three weeks at the Tour just behind him. Finishing in second overall. It remains to be seen how well he has recovered. On top of that he has never competed in two Grand Tours in the same Year. But we shall see.

Froome did not ride at his max at the Tour - Brad toned him down on more than one occasion. If you ride within yourself (apart from TTs), even for 3 weeks, you can do it again.

I don't think the Tour was all that hard for Froome.

 

[panache]

The passport system system would expose a rider coming off of blood manipulation by showing more natural values against the previous baseline. I don't know if there was a scramble to establish a high baseline when the passport gathering began or not, but there must be some worry by Contador to NOT to show a high hemtocrit once he returns. He was not sanctioned for an oxygen vector drug, so it would look pretty suspicious if he used that break in racing to fall to a human 45%

I think this would apply to any rider who initially chose to establish a high level via EPO microdosing or some other method, and is now contemplating a cleaner life. How does one go about leaving blood manipulation in the passport era unless it was never much to begin with, or the officials ignore obvious changes when they do not benefit performance?

To have a chance at resembling the Contador of old, he will have to do whatever he has done previously, even if not as blatantly. I vote that he will be juiced, because to not would set off more warning flags than to continue doping on some level.

 

[iZnoGouD]

The passport system system would expose a rider coming off of blood manipulation by showing more natural values against the previous baseline. I don't know if there was a scramble to establish a high baseline when the passport gathering began or not, but there must be some worry by Contador to NOT to show a high hemtocrit once he returns. He was not sanctioned for an oxygen vector drug, so it would look pretty suspicious if he used that break in racing to fall to a human 45%

I think this would apply to any rider who initially chose to establish a high level via EPO microdosing or some other method, and is now contemplating a cleaner life. How does one go about leaving blood manipulation in the passport era unless it was never much to begin with, or the officials ignore obvious changes when they do not benefit performance?

To have a chance at resembling the Contador of old, he will have to do whatever he has done previously, even if not as blatantly. I vote that he will be juiced, because to not would set off more warning flags than to continue doping on some level.

Lance Armstrong was really lucky in that time, he set off warning flags but no one did a thing