Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[maxmartin]

I don't know why he'd dope, as you can now win GTs clean.

you are not serious are you?

Who? Wiggins? Give me a break!

 

[maxmartin]

And why should we assume Wiggins doped?

At the end of the day, there is no basis, allegation or rumour against him. End of. Plus like I said many times before he has been outspoken against doping more than most.

Tons of people have tons of questions and suspicions about Wiggins and his SKY team after this year Tour, are you living in the bubble dream of UK? While the whole world is asking questions and making allegations LOL

 

[maxmartin]

Sorry mate it's very easy to take a post from a few months ago before the Tour and pull somebody up on it. At that time no one was really talking about Leinders and we did'nt have the Kimmage interview he did with Velonation to talk about either where he said Wiggins blocked him from following the team during the 2010 Tour. When these things were brought to my attention you will find that I along with others criticised Wiggins and Sky for all this.

Sorry my bad, I didn't realize the post is ages ago I thought it is a new thread.

 

[Galic Ho]

The performance of Hesjedal in the Giro and the performances of Wiggins in P-N and Romandie shows everyone once and for all races can be won clean. That is the big plus of this season so far if you ask me.

Long may it continue.

As for Contador. he kept doping even after OP so I would'nt stick my head on the line and say he won't dope on his return.

Bahahahahaha. Bahahahaha. You don't deserve to call yourself a 'gooner' after that. Think about it. Wiggins would have beaten Contador with his form. Or are you that dense you can't spot it? Note, that is doped form, not clean as a whistle form. He'd have smashed Schleck junior too. All of them are doping. Don't worry, Froome will show you how on par Sky's doping program is compared to AC's. You probably think RvP leaving is the mark of a loyal player.

Oh and Berzin...read this and use your brain.

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2012/behind-scenes-contador-cas-hearing-michael-ashenden

Bunch of intellectual wannabees masquearading as smart people around here. Even AC's expert witness admitted AC was blood doping. Contador can thank his lucky stars legal timelines and miniscule rules were in his favour. They had him blood doping and it was obvious. Selective blinkers children...please remove them or get mocked in the Clinic for the imbeciles you are behaving like.

 

[Galic Ho]

Bahahahahaha. That's all we hear from you. Are you on repeat mode? Quit it with the insults and secondly I am not going to listen to someone who stopped watching the Tour half way through the race.

Look at my post to maxmartin about Wiggins. Remember we can't say for definite that Wiggins doped, with the information we have all we have is a suspicion that at the same time can be 100% wrong, so don't make out your opinion that Wiggins doped, is gospel. Also Kimmage said many of the points that are said in the clinic about Leinders and the backtrack on the transparency but said as well, there is nothing to suggest that he definitely won the Tour doped. All your posts are just guess work where you hope that Sky doped and the precise way of discussion I hate around here. That's my response to you.

If you want my opinions on RVP take it to the Cafe. I have spoken enough about him there.

The RvP quip was akin to your deflection at this threads start about Wiggins. You were deflecting. The article I posted said enough. Foremost expert on doping in the world said it all about Contador. I stopped watching halfway through the Tour did I? I got further than...but watching pathetic sad dopers on a scale greater than UPS race is asking too much.

My response to you. Bring back the inter AFL versus Gaelic football. You should take part. We all know what happened to the Irish in that. Kimmage said a lot more that you missed. He was removed from following the Sky Tour in 2010 for a reason. At Wiggins behest. Garmin didn't have a problem the year before. So why did Wiggins? You don't like the threads, go to the pro cycling part and go over it. I found this gem by you, which shows your conflicting ideas...you literally are either ignorant and haven't read up on the man, you're in denial or are truly gone cuckoo:

You can't compare Wiggins with Landis now. Come on.

Would Landis ever speak out like Wiggins did in the 07 Tour against Vino and Rasmussen or when he called Di Luca a w***** on twitter when he tested for CERA. Landis would keep his mouth shut like the majority of them.

Anyway I am not going to use your method of all things as a "measuring stick". Just because a fellow improves performance he is a doper. That is very investigative.

If you read the Wiggins threads you'd know fully well the reason he is highly suspect is primarily down to his attitude change. That Wiggins no longer exists. He's all in bed with Lance now. Did you miss that? The references to Sky and it being the new Postal...the statement in 2007 that riders should be questioned if they annihilate everyone, that they're suspicious, that transparency is needed...contrast to his actions now. Worlds apart. His is the new Armstrong. Even Contador didn't go there and he isn't clean. He keeps his gob shut for the most part. No Wiggins of 2007 said many things...all of which are foreign to him now. He's contradicted himself so much the last two years the only logical answer left is he joined the omerta camp as it's new leader in the peloton. But you'd know this if you didn't act like a pompous tryhard in the Clinic. Nobody becomes Armstrongs biggest supporter as a pro-rider and can lay claim to being clean. Anyone saying such a person is not only clean but a benchmark is a bonified git and gullible fool. So are you that type of person?

Just read the thread FFS man. All your other posts are fine. IU commented because I couldn't believe you were posting such ridiculous stuff. You're normally on top of the ball on these issues. Sure I'll buy that you aren't up to date on the issue, but suggesting Wiggins is clean...you'll be laughed at in the Clinic. This isn't the pro-threads, where the fanboys wearing blinkers can cheer for their heroes blindly and gleefully. But that post and the first ten pages you were so far off the mark it isn't funny. The tell is Froome. Watch what he does against Contador in the Vuelta. He'll match him. Now go back to his debut with Barloworld and tell me you remember him. That's right, Contador had won a GT by then. Name me any clean beacon of cycling who rose like phoenix as Wiggins and Froome have. There are none. There is a reason for that.

By all means deflect. 'We could be 100 wrong." You're not even in that boat. So why all the fuss? Why not talk about AC. As I said, read the link I gave. That man, the WADA doping expert who really is one of the worlds elite specialists, you won't ever be able to beat the case he makes. Denying that, is like denying the sun rises every morning in the east. Read what he states about the BioPassport readings and Contador. It was obvious he'd been blood doping. He isn't the only one and Ashenden makes that clear. He was on the UCI BioPassport committee and hadn't seen some of Contadors blood data. Not for one year, for all of them. All his data was whack...2010 was worse thought. Now look at those leaked numbers for the UCI's suspicion index. Contador was a 5 out of 10. Or aren't you aware of this? Where were the current Sky riders. Quite a few were 7s and 8s. They're all still blood doping man...Wiggins ain't the only one. He's just doing it better. If the rest are suspicious via the UCI's lax measures, how did he improve so much?

The UCI know this. They've known for a VERY long time. Jonathan Vaughters said similar things in the thread dedicated to him this very week. That the blood values are dodgy...they have data showing the changes. Heck, not like those threads are uncommon here...with graphs to illustrate. You must have missed those as well. If anyone matches Contador, let alone reaches his level, which Wiggins certainly did, then that leaves almost no room for doubt about nefarious under goings. Proof? Yeah, if you'd hang in the Clinic, you'd know that is the hardest thing to find because the science is that advanced and the anti-doping activities are so limited. You're assertations rely on so many variables with slim probabilites being real its scary.

By all means next time deflect and ignore all the other threads in the Clinic and all the common knowledge a Clinic poster should have acquired. Wow, I didn't watch a few boring days in the most boring Tour ever. I still know what happened on the road and behind the scenes. Unlike you...lift your game up dude, you're a Gunners supporter after all, you've got something right.

Will Contador dope again. He has no choice after what Sky have done this season. Wiggins did something this season even Contador couldn't do. Total domination in EVERY race. Oh and his domestiques killed everyone as well. Anyone who doesn't think that is suss...well, this is the wrong place for you. There was a reason Contador left Astana, the team he rode for when his sanctioned sample appeared, for Riis. Riis can get it all done safely with minimal hassle. Contador won't get caught again. Not in the labs anyway. That's why he rides for Riis. Contador gets caught again it will be the police. Or someone testifying.

So LaFlorecita can rest quietly at night. Contador won't be sanctioned.

 

[the sceptic]

So Contador attacked about 8 times today. Not bad. Will be interesting to see what happens when they get to a real mountain. Looks like Valverde has also magically found top form. And Froome of course has still got the peak going.

 

[RichWalk]

Judging by todays stage his 'pre-season training' has gone rather well.......... dispite the potential this Vuelta has to up stage The Tour with 'astonishing performances' one can see why interested parties such the UCI were so desperate to keep Bertie racing/get him back ASAP

 

[richwagmn]

Will Alberto Contador be back to his old doping habits when He returns to the Peloton.

Gee, a new poster comes to the forum and starts a Contador doping thread...

Probably already ****ed that no one gives a sh!t about Wiggins anymore with Contador back.

 

[Ferminal]

Couldn't hold a gap over clean riders, so any doping must be negligible.

 

[Big Doopie]

yeah, people going crazy over on the vuelta threads. glorifying clentadope no end, welcoming him back.

i just don't get it. it's so unfair/disrespectful of any rider who is riding clean, to commend clentadope because he can attack like that on his return from a doping ban. perhaps (i doubt it) that clentadope is now riding clean, but even so, why would any fan be happy upon his return, since we simply can no longer believe his performances. same with valverde. wow, really great to see those two lighting up the field again.

it's funny. why don't the same "fans" pine for ricco? seems like anyone with the right juice can ride like that.

i want real riding. granted that is really hard to be sure of these days. and i fear this vuelta will be no such a thing.

 

[Ferminal]

Yeh, I'd take RoboBasso over Contador any day.

 

[DirtyWorks]

yeah, people going crazy over on the vuelta threads. glorifying clentadope no end, welcoming him back.

i just don't get it. it's so unfair/disrespectful of any rider who is riding clean, to commend clentadope because he can attack like that on his return from a doping ban.

The rules of the game are to finish first and not test positive. That's different than finish first with no doping.

I think without the dope, Contador is a gifted rider. How gifted? I don't know. But, the attacking is so consistent, I think it lends some credibility to his genetic gifts/personality.

it's funny. why don't the same "fans" pine for ricco? seems like anyone with the right juice can ride like that.

This is a question for the ages. It seems luck plays a part as probably does having some personable/professional media handling skills. It's got to help that Pat and Hein have your back somehow too.

 

[LaFlorecita]

yeah, people going crazy over on the vuelta threads. glorifying contador no end, welcoming him back.

i just don't get it. it's so unfair/disrespectful of any rider who is riding clean, to commend contador because he can attack like that on his return from a doping ban. perhaps (i doubt it) that contador is now riding clean, but even so, why would any fan be happy upon his return, since we simply can no longer believe his performances. same with valverde. wow, really great to see those two lighting up the field again.

it's funny. why don't the same "fans" pine for ricco? seems like anyone with the right juice can ride like that.

i want real riding. granted that is really hard to be sure of these days. and i fear this vuelta will be no such a thing.

The thing is we don't know who we can trust. People just want to see exciting racing and that's what we saw today, and guess what, Alberto was the one who brought it.

I don't know who dopes and honestly I don't care. I am happy Alberto is back even though he did not look that good today. Anything is better than the Sky train pacing Wiggo up a climb.

 

[gustienordic]

I don't know who dopes and honestly I don't care. I am happy Alberto is back even though he did not look that good today. Anything is better than the Sky train pacing Wiggo up a climb.

+100000.

If the racing is exciting and not everyone is doped to the gills, then I am happy. Cycling is working on being clean, and until then, I'm happy to see some good attacks even if they are "fake"

 

[luckyboy]

it's funny. why don't the same "fans" pine for ricco? seems like anyone with the right juice can ride like that.

Would've liked to have seen Ricco at this year's Tour. Imagine him attacking Wiggins and co.

Truth is, I don't really care anymore. It has become apparent that the UCI can do what they like with regards to covering stuff up, picking favourites etc (the startlingly open corruption on display in the leaked McQuaid letters has confirmed this)..
Until McQuaid and co go I have no faith in clean cycling.

 

[sniper]

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I don't know who dopes and honestly I don't care. I am happy Alberto is back even though he did not look that good today. Anything is better than the Sky train pacing Wiggo up a climb.

Tbh, I don't think Dirty will be pleased with Sparks' verdict.
I bet he's loosing more hair as we speak. It might explain why he won't look that good in the coming days either

On a serious note: assuming Dirty gets implicated somewhere by one or more of the USADA testimonies, can it be used to ban him?

At any rate, I'd love to see Dirty get some (indirect) heat as the USADA case takes shape.

 

[Benotti69]

Tbh, I don't think Dirty will be pleased with Sparks' verdict.
I bet he's loosing more hair as we speak. It might explain why he won't look that good in the coming days either

On a serious note: assuming Dirty gets implicated somewhere by one or more of the USADA testimonies, can it be used to ban him?

At any rate, I'd love to see Dirty get some (indirect) heat as the USADA case takes shape.

It would be nice if more riders got caught in the net.

 

[Franklin]

it's funny. why don't the same "fans" pine for ricco? seems like anyone with the right juice can ride like that.

1. Ricco had several issues
- He badmouthed colleagues
- He was just to blatantly doping without remorse

The italian cycling union wanted none of that (and who can blame them?).

2. Contador is suspended for contaminated supplements, not for willfuly doping himself up.

the Athlete's positive test for clenbuterol is more likely to have been caused by the ingestion of a contaminated food supplement than by a blood transfusion or the ingestion of contaminated meat;

The sanction is ludicrously heavy for this error, which leaves a foul taste in my mouth. If you really want AC caught, get his DNA and be over with it. Being galled about it and getting even retroactively is abuse of justice.

 

[Franklin]

It would be nice if more riders got caught in the net.

*Shrug*

It doesn't help at all, so what is your motivation? Unless we start to ban Dr. Menuet and his ilk, as long as only the athlete pays the price the rot will remain.

If a court of law implicates de Rooij, Breukink and Leinders have been acting fraudulent with the whereabouts of their rider, how come they aren't prosecuted by either UCI or IOC?

This USADA case is a nice example. Even going all out, the implicated doctors get lifelines tossed and it's being seen as a singular case.

Another idiotic example: BMC. the fact that that team still exists is a big slap in the face of the fans.

 

[JimmyFingers]

If the racing is exciting and not everyone is doped to the gills, then I am happy. Cycling is working on being clean, and until then, I'm happy to see some good attacks even if they are "fake"

Such a dangerous sentiment. I had the conversation on the way to work about 'how exciting Contador is to watch' and I was 'yes but he doped'. It seems that be exciting and you'll be forgiven, be pragmatic like Sky and you're disliked even if you are clean.

And if Sky are clean, then organised, teamwork tactics with which they attacked the Tour is likely to be the blueprint for clean racing in the future. It's telling that people are willing to forgive Contador because he is exciting in the same breath as condemning Sky, even though the only evidence against them is circumstantial.

Drugged up cyclists are more xexciting: they can ride faster, climb better and recover quicker. A guy at work said 'why not let all do it' but that's not an answer is it, since the drugs will affect people in different ways, there's never a level playing field.

 

[lemoogle]

Such a dangerous sentiment. I had the conversation on the way to work about 'how exciting Contador is to watch' and I was 'yes but he doped'. It seems that be exciting and you'll be forgiven, be pragmatic like Sky and you're disliked even if you are clean.

And if Sky are clean, then organised, teamwork tactics with which they attacked the Tour is likely to be the blueprint for clean racing in the future. It's telling that people are willing to forgive Contador because he is exciting in the same breath as condemning Sky, even though the only evidence against them is circumstantial.

Drugged up cyclists are more xexciting: they can ride faster, climb better and recover quicker. A guy at work said 'why not let all do it' but that's not an answer is it, since the drugs will affect people in different ways, there's never a level playing field.

I hate it when people think sky won the tour on "tactics", that is so wrong.
Their only tactic was just that the whole team was just so strong they could handle any attack even when they were leading the peloton for thousands fo kms for the length of the tour, waiting and doing nothing is NOT a tactic.

It's like saying it's a tactic for mike tyson to let me punch him loads while it doesn't hurt him at all because he couldn't care less.

Your point also doesn't stand, sky rode faster, climbed better and recovered quicker ( actually they never needed to recover) , never tired than anyone else , yet they were NOT exciting and you are even claiming they are clean. Or are you actually claiming sky was simply the best of a 100% clean peloton.

 

[noddy69]

+100000.

If the racing is exciting and not everyone is doped to the gills, then I am happy. Cycling is working on being clean, and until then, I'm happy to see some good attacks even if they are "fake"

In a way that statement is everything that is wrong with cycling and part of the reason Lance got away with what he did and certain cyclists never make it on natural ability alone.

Take a young kid starting out. They see the attacks and they believe they can do it. However upon reaching a certain level it comes crashing down they never will......unless ? The cycle continues as attitudes of not caring because its exiting prevail and the cheats win.

Many will never dope, and they will never reach the heights that maybe they should because of the cheats. The lives of many are changed by the dopers. Some say natural ability shines through, well how do you know? It seems that natural ability is defined by some as the best doping rider.

If the peleton was clean then at least we would have a true test of natural ability and everyone would have a fair chance. How can the racing be exiting for the clean riders when they get left behind from drug fuelled attacks (in more ways then one ie money,endorsements etc).

Anyway I could go on all day but it would probably do no good, just like it did no good when Lance was at the same thing.

 

[lemoogle]

In a way that statement is everything that is wrong with cycling and part of the reason Lance got away with what he did and certain cyclists never make it on natural ability alone.

Take a young kid starting out. They see the attacks and they believe they can do it. However upon reaching a certain level it comes crashing down they never will......unless ? The cycle continues as attitudes of not caring because its exiting prevail and the cheats win.

Many will never dope, and they will never reach the heights that maybe they should because of the cheats. The lives of many are changed by the dopers. Some say natural ability shines through, well how do you know? It seems that natural ability is defined by some as the best doping rider.

If the peleton was clean then at least we would have a true test of natural ability and everyone would have a fair chance. How can the racing be exiting for the clean riders when they get left behind from drug fuelled attacks (in more ways then one ie money,endorsements etc).

Anyway I could go on all day but it would probably do no good, just like it did no good when Lance was at the same thing.

I get your point, but doping like sky at the TdF where they are so strong that they prevent ANY attack from even happening is not watchable. We prefer individuals doping to a limited extend ( let's face it , you can't dope as well on your own than in a team wide doping system, money organization, free pass etc.)

Now if you're saying sky wasn't doped then I don't really see how we can believe in any future for clean cycling, if an unclean peloton is so completely powerless against a clean team that no attacks happen during this tour. What will a CLEAN peloton do against sky?

Believing that sky is clean and that the unclean peloton can do nothing IS believing in the end of cycling, what gustienordic said isn't.

Do you really want a tour that will be decided over 2 TTs and casual strolling for the rest of the two weeks?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Tbh, I don't think Contador will be pleased with Sparks' verdict.
I bet he's loosing more hair as we speak. It might explain why he won't look that good in the coming days either

Oh aren't you funny.

On a serious note: assuming Contador gets implicated somewhere by one or more of the USADA testimonies, can it be used to ban him?

Someone posted that it can be used but I find it dubious, let's assume he doped before he tested positive, well he got caught and served time for it. Imo that would mean he gets banned twice for the same offence.

At any rate, I'd love to see Contador get some (indirect) heat as the USADA case takes shape.

Of course you'd love it, quite pathetic really that you hate him that much. Jesus, he's had his ban now let's please move on.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Such a dangerous sentiment. I had the conversation on the way to work about 'how exciting Contador is to watch' and I was 'yes but he doped'. It seems that be exciting and you'll be forgiven, be pragmatic like Sky and you're disliked even if you are clean.

And if Sky are clean, then organised, teamwork tactics with which they attacked the Tour is likely to be the blueprint for clean racing in the future. It's telling that people are willing to forgive Contador because he is exciting in the same breath as condemning Sky, even though the only evidence against them is circumstantial.

Drugged up cyclists are more xexciting: they can ride faster, climb better and recover quicker. A guy at work said 'why not let all do it' but that's not an answer is it, since the drugs will affect people in different ways, there's never a level playing field.

None of us know for sure which riders dope except if they confess. So I and many others just try to watch and enjoy cycling. I'm not gonna question every rider I see on the TV screen. I get that you and other people don't like Alberto but you can't attack other people for liking him. We like excitement and no I am not gonna question how the riders give us that excitement. We don't forgive anyone who is doping we just don't care.