Will Contador Be Juiced Up Again Upon His Return

[hrotha]

I will be extremely sad because that would probably mean a lifetime ban.

Not because that'd mean you'd have been living a lie and unfairly attacking people here or anything.

 

[Ripper]

Expect it to be even worse if he tests + again.

Are you 12?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Not because that'd mean you'd have been living a lie and unfairly attacking people here or anything.

I will apologize for that and acknowledge that I was wrong if it ever happens.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Are you 12?

Yes.
........

 

[ChrisE]

I will apologize for that and acknowledge that I was wrong if it ever happens.

Why is that? I mean if the authorities had it out for him the first time then why wouldn't they be out for him again? It seems to me your fangirlism can have a perpetual shelf life if you will just be creative with your reasoning.

 

[sniper]

I will apologize for that and acknowledge that I was wrong if it ever happens.

USADA accusations of systematic team doping cover the whole Contador-Bruyneel collaborative period.
So unless you think USADA is full of ****, you'd better start explaining why you think AC would have been clean under Bruyneel.
(or start acknowledging and apologizing, but I assume that's your last resort)

 

[Caruut]

I will be extremely sad because that would probably mean a lifetime ban.

For you and him, most likely.

 

[LaFlorecita]

USADA accusations of systematic team doping cover the whole Contador-Bruyneel collaborative period.
So unless you think USADA is full of ****, you'd better start explaining why you think AC would have been clean under Bruyneel.
(or start acknowledging and apologizing, but I assume that's your last resort)

There is this thing called trust, not sure if you're familiar with it.

 

[LaFlorecita]

For you and him, most likely.

?
..............

 

[dlwssonic]

lol he would not even need to dope to win la vuelta by 10 minutes.

 

[Benotti69]

Contador has been doping a long time since his Saiz days so it would be hard to see him not doping, but as the levels appear to be lower i imagine him and his team have been fine tuning their 'training ' so as to come in under the radar. Will we still see him win the Vuelta? Sure and he will win easily.

 

[Cloxxki]

There is this thing called trust, not sure if you're familiar with it.

What do you base such trust on, if I may ask?
A word? That's been irrelevant in sports and doping in general, and cycling in particular.
Because he's so likeable? I always liked Floyd and Jan myself, and they turned out dopers and dopers, but only temporarily.

Trust is unwise in doping matters.

 

[LaFlorecita]

What do you base such trust on, if I may ask?
A word? That's been irrelevant in sports and doping in general, and cycling in particular.
Because he's so likeable? I always liked Floyd and Jan myself, and they turned out dopers and dopers, but only temporarily.

Trust is unwise in doping matters.

Okay if you say so.

 

[VeloCity]

There is this thing called trust, not sure if you're familiar with it.

Even setting aside the other evidence, do you really believe that he never once doped while riding (and winning everything in sight) for Saiz, Bruyneel, and Riis, three of the most notorious doping-linked DS' in modern times? Sorry, but that's not "trust", that's being willfully blind, on the same level that so many Armstrong fans were (and still are) willing to delude themselves into believing that he was clean. And that's not to pick on Alberto - I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that the majority of riders, including the top TdF contenders (especially the top TdF contenders), are still doping.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Even setting aside the other evidence, do you really believe that he never once doped while riding (and winning everything in sight) for Saiz, Bruyneel, and Riis, three of the most notorious doping-linked DS' in modern times? Sorry, but that's not "trust", that's being willfully blind, on the same level that so many Armstrong fans were (and still are) willing to delude themselves into believing that he was clean. And that's not to pick on Alberto - I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that the majority of riders, including the top TdF contenders (especially the top TdF contenders), are still doping.

Look - I can understand that you hate Alberto or that you hate me. Call me blind, stupid, whatever you want, I don't care. But please don't try to change my mind.

 

[silverrocket]

And why should we assume Wiggins doped?

At the end of the day, there is no basis, allegation or rumour against him. End of. Plus like I said many times before he has been outspoken against doping more than most.

I am not like people here who go around accusing people of doping on the basis of a great performance when they have nothing to back it up.

With Contador it is totally different as we had the story with OP and people always had their suspicions on him even before his clenbuterol positive. There is nothing suspicious about Wiggins other than great performances which people love to question around here.

You're contradicting yourself here, since your "evidence" against Contador consists of OP heresay and "people always had their suspicions". People have their suspicions about Wiggins too, and he has undergone a remarkable pursuiter-GT rider transformation. Yes, Contador has the microscopic amount of clen, but while this is real doping evidence, it is very weak at best.

 

[VeloCity]

Look - I can understand that you hate Alberto or that you hate me. Call me blind, stupid, whatever you want, I don't care. But please don't try to change my mind.

Why would I hate you? And I don't hate Alberto - quite the contrary actually, he and Andy are probably my favorite riders. But yeah, imo you are being as blind to Contador's doping as Armstrong fans were to his doping.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why would I hate you? And I don't hate Alberto - quite the contrary actually, he and Andy are probably my favorite riders. But yeah, imo you are being as blind to Contador's doping as Armstrong fans were to his doping.

That's okay, you can have that opinion.

Let me explain it again:

I simply don't know if Alberto dopes/doped. I need to believe something because I can't be sure. And I choose to believe Alberto, partially because I want to believe him and because I want him to be innocent.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why would I hate you? And I don't hate Alberto - quite the contrary actually, he and Andy are probably my favorite riders. But yeah, imo you are being as blind to Contador's doping as Armstrong fans were to his doping.

Maybe I should also say that for me there isn't "like" or "dislike" only love and hate.

 

[silverrocket]

What do you base such trust on, if I may ask?
A word? That's been irrelevant in sports and doping in general, and cycling in particular.
Because he's so likeable? I always liked Floyd and Jan myself, and they turned out dopers and dopers, but only temporarily.

Trust is unwise in doping matters.

This is one of the wisest posts I've seen in the clinic. It is always worth us remembering that we should be judging rider's guilt/not guilt based only on facts, not whether we like them, trust them, or how strongly they profess their anti-doping sentiments. Lance Armstrong has relied on the trust he has built as a cancer survivor and "inspiration". Ullrich was and is a really nice and likeable guy. Floyd had the "Floyd Fairness Fund". Most, or perhaps none of us personally know any of these riders, so any trust we have in them is largely based on how they are presented to us in the media.

 

[polisheggplant]

How in the world could anyone just assume that 'anyone' at this level of pro cycling is clean anymore? It's like assuming that someone who has never received a speeding ticket has never exceeded the speed limit. I'm sure there's a better comparison, but I just couldn't think of one off hand. These guys dope. It has almost come to a point where people are questioning why it is even regulated anymore. To perform at the levels they are performing at, it has almost become a requirement. Some sports have become savvy about it and continued testing, but make it a point to let the participants/players (see NFL Football) know the exact time that they will be tested.

That way everybody can go along making believe their favorite sports star is clean despite what we know may be true. It may sound cynical, but how can you not suspect riders who have won major races of not being dirty, when at any given time, many of the riders they are competing against are dirty as well. Are we to assume that everybody who rode last year and didn't test positive was clean beyond a shadow of a doubt? Please.

And as for Wiggins speaking out against doping in the past. I don't think that’s any sort of hard evidence that he's clean. Many people speak out against the very things they are guilty of as a detractor.

Let’s just hope for another good race this year and let the courts and countless organizations sort out the other mess. There are some exciting young faces like Sagan, Van garderen, Meyer who have yet to have the doping bomb dropped on them. Who knows, maybe there just one great tour appearance away....

 

[MaxVO2]

We are in the clinic talking about doping in cycling! I do believe the cyclists should prove their innocence before asking fans to believe they are doing it on water and rice cakes. Why? because the history of the sport tells us it is stupid not to do so.

No one has ever produced pure unadulterated evidence that Armstrong doped but children not born yet know he doped.

Wiggins GT performances were;

123rd Giro'05
124th TdF'06
Withdrawn TdF'07
134th Giro'08
71st Giro'09

then suddenly

********4th Tdf'09**********

Now in pro cycling that rings the doping bells all across the cycling capitals in all their major cathedrals.

Thank you for that. And for all yous Wiggo apologists: he may have made antidoping comments in the past, but he's been very mum about doping during this year's TdF. He's only backtracked his words only after making some gaffes and did so at the behest of his minders. Moreover, he's given only lip service to being frank and open to reporters during his training and the race; he hasn't allowed an embedded reporter during the race, something he said he would do. And, he said he would be listing his blood values on the web, which he hasn't. In conclusion, he offered complete transparency to elucidate how clean he is, only to be very opaque in reality.

The most telling is his past performance results versus this year's results.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Thank you for that. And for all yous Wiggo apologists: he may have made antidoping comments in the past, but he's been very mum about doping during this year's TdF. He's only backtracked his words only after making some gaffes and did so at the behest of his minders. Moreover, he's given only lip service to being frank and open to reporters during his training and the race; he hasn't allowed an embedded reporter during the race, something he said he would do. And, he said he would be listing his blood values on the web, which he hasn't. In conclusion, he offered complete transparency to elucidate how clean he is, only to be very opaque in reality.

The most telling is his past performance results versus this year's results.

Join date July 2011 and first post today. I guess you have been reading this board all that time - must be because it sounds like you are a forum regular from the content (hold on...)

 

[buckle]

His problem will be finding and then funding others with whom he can juice à la Sky. I'm not sure he can afford to meet their program which is both state and privately funded. In that sense it is more powerful than the GDR's.

 

[Deagol]

I thought this thread was about Contador and not Wiggins?

RE: Wiggins- No smoking gun yet, but some eyebrow-raising things have come to light

RE: Contador: Plasticeser (sp?) in Blood could be a smoking gun?

As for the future, could be strange times with the obvious corruption of the UCI being displayed by Pat for anyone who has been paying attention to the Armstrong affair. What would Contador be thinking at a time like this? Is this good for me, or bad for me? Perhaps the safe thing to do may be to wait and see how this all shakes out. Do I have protecters in the UCI ? have they exposed themselves? Will it matter? Is Sky the new protected team? Is the UCI untouchable by anyone?