Women’s RR - World Championships 2024 (September 28)

[Red Rick]

Greed and selfishness, that's it

Not even that. I'm pretty sure Vos knew she was dead and not winning.

A big issue here is lack of race radios, and it just looks ***. It doesn't even make races better, it just makes them completely stupid.

 

[theyoungest]

At some point the Dutch had three riders in a front group of about 7 or 8. And they end up 5th. It's just unbelievable

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Congrats to Kopecky, well done. Not the strongest uphill but paced herself well afterwards and smoked everyone at the finish with her huge power. Vollering is a top-notch tactician, legendary performance today!

So if Kopecky can repeat on this course, does MVDP have a chance?

I was just wondering the same. MVP will probably be dropped by Remco, Pogacar and co on the longest climb but can he catch them later? It depends on the relative strength of those groups: Remco + Tadej duo may be impossible to chase down if both fully engage (the question is if the cooperation will be good enough) and there's not enough horsepower behind.

 

[Samamba]

Not even that. I'm pretty sure Vos knew she was dead and not winning.

A big issue here is lack of race radios, and it just looks ***. It doesn't even make races better, it just makes them completely stupid.

Well I agree about the 2nd part, it does make it just annoying and dumb to look at. But I don't believe that Vollerings tactics are because of stupidity.

 

[awavey]

MVDP does have a chance but it comes down to tactics. Also, don't know if MVDP will have someone like Vollering who will just chase down any move for him.

I'd like to think most of the favourites in the men's race, race smarter too, and also have the strength to drop riders not contributing in groups. No ones going to give Pog as many tows round a course like Kopecky got or just sit in a group to allow strong riders back in.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Everyone who followed the race via Danish national radio will think the Dutch coach is a man, so I guess Gunnewijk will be able to hide safely here, if she becomes persona non grata at home.

 

[Gratemans]

Also stupidity and actually not maximizing your chances of winning.

Mostly this I feel. Vollering is just way too nervous in finales. Add to that a complete lack of any race-savvy whatsoever and this is what you get.

 

[jono]

Do I have this right for the U23 finish? Pieterse-Bradbury-Niedermaier-Holmgren?

Not bad for Ava (as a 19 year old!) in what has been a season largely derailed from injury. One would have expected her sister to do even better on that course but she's on the MTB this weekend.

 

[theyoungest]

Well I agree about the 2nd part, it does make it just annoying and dumb to look at. But I don't believe that Vollerings tactics are because of stupidity.

Well obviously she wants to win, but she has no feeling for when to attack or when to gamble. Call it what you want, but it's not selfishness. Riding all her teammates off her wheel doesn't increase her own chances, after all.

 

[theyoungest]

Do I have this right for the U23 finish? Pieterse-Bradbury-Niedermaier-Holmgren?

Not bad for Ava (as a 19 year old!) in what has been a season largely derailed from injury. One would have expected her sister to do even better on that course but she's on the MTB this weekend.

I was surprised to see Ava Holmgren in that group... haven't seen her at all since the cross season. But apparently that's due to injury?

 

[Brullnux]

That's actually ELB's 23rd bronze medal at a major championship

 

[Izzyeviel]

Vos is either freezing cold or seriously struggling to contain her anger

 

[jono]

I was surprised to see Ava Holmgren in that group... haven't seen her at all since the cross season. But apparently that's due to injury?

Neither Holmgren raced a huge road calendar but Ava missed out on a few races due to some health issues.

Ava did race Tour de l'Avenir and Canadian nationals but did not feature at any other major races.

 

[theyoungest]

Vos is either freezing cold or seriously struggling to contain her anger

Unlike Vollering, Vos is really smart. I can imagine she feels pretty frustrated.

 

[Netserk]

Not even that. I'm pretty sure Vos knew she was dead and not winning.

A big issue here is lack of race radios, and it just looks ***. It doesn't even make races better, it just makes them completely stupid.

Yes, it makes stupid riders lose spectacularly. That is the point.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I thought they weren't doing national anthems as a scaling back of ceremonial. Evidently that was only yesterday.

 

[Wvv]

Hats off to an amazing race, Ghekiere!

Kopecky wins because she dares to lose and keeping the strongest kick at the finish line. Her level of tactics displayed today, Vollering can only dream of. How can the Dutch team end up with just a fifth place ...

As a Belgian I'm happy, of course. But after all the bad luck and heavy injuries, I would've enjoyed a Dygert victory too. Kudos for your persistance, Chloe.

 

[Red Rick]

Yes, it makes stupid riders lose spectacularly. That is the point.

It just causes incomplete information when the entire world can see the whole thing. It's completely dumb.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I sometimes wonder if the Dutch come into these races with such a strong team that the riders need to prove themselves worthy of being the one they ride for ON THE DAY, meaning they have all these bizarre antics to drop or chase their own teammates to prove themselves strongest but wasting energy in the process. They only ever seem to win these races with absolute brute force like Annemiek and Anna VDB did, or in a sprint, unless it's Vos who is just far more tactically astute than the others. The Belgians by contrast - and the Italians, this is something they're usually pretty good at - make their plan and stick to it, but it seems the Dutch have a standing plan of winging it based on who has the form so they all battle each other as well...

 

[Stubb]

I'd like to think most of the favourites in the men's race, race smarter too, and also have the strength to drop riders not contributing in groups. No ones going to give Pog as many tows round a course like Kopecky got or just sit in a group to allow strong riders back in.

I mean, if remco isn't dropped by pog I definitely see him helping the slovenian just to be beaten at the sprint; if dropped, helping the likes of rogla or even mvpd come back in the flat part like vollering today. When you are that strong (and vollering is that) you're just not used to fine tactics, you just smash the pedals as hard as you can and most of the time it's fine as it is.

 

[Red Rick]

I sometimes wonder if the Dutch come into these races with such a strong team that the riders need to prove themselves worthy of being the one they ride for ON THE DAY, meaning they have all these bizarre antics to drop or chase their own teammates to prove themselves strongest but wasting energy in the process. They only ever seem to win these races with absolute brute force like Annemiek and Anna VDB did, or in a sprint, unless it's Vos who is just far more tactically astute than the others. The Belgians by contrast - and the Italians, this is something they're usually pretty good at - make their plan and stick to it, but it seems the Dutch have a standing plan of winging it based on who has the form so they all battle each other as well...

The others can just make a plan to follow and watch the Dutch *** up. It's like in the land of the blind.....

 

[kingjr]

I sometimes wonder if the Dutch come into these races with such a strong team that the riders need to prove themselves worthy of being the one they ride for ON THE DAY, meaning they have all these bizarre antics to drop or chase their own teammates to prove themselves strongest but wasting energy in the process. They only ever seem to win these races with absolute brute force like Annemiek and Anna VDB did, or in a sprint, unless it's Vos who is just far more tactically astute than the others. The Belgians by contrast - and the Italians, this is something they're usually pretty good at - make their plan and stick to it, but it seems the Dutch have a standing plan of winging it based on who has the form so they all battle each other as well...

Clear sign of bad leadership imo

 

[awavey]

Mostly this I feel. Vollering is just way too nervous in finales. Add to that a complete lack of any race-savvy whatsoever and this is what you get.

I don't think it's nerves as such, it's fomo, she puts so much pressure on herself to win, she fears losing it all, so all her moves are too early tactically. Which puts her in worse positions which just spirals in a race like today

 

[awavey]

I thought they weren't doing national anthems as a scaling back of ceremonial. Evidently that was only yesterday.

Anthems is fine i think, I doubt there's much champagne though

 

[awavey]

Clear sign of bad leadership imo

It's too many leaders isn't it ? Weirdly Demi out of all of them seems happiest riding for others when it's her turn to do it. The others not so sure. We can all highlight Demi smoked most of her team today, but what were her team doing for her anyway ?