World Championship 2023: Men’s TT (August 10)

[TrekCyclist]

Its all guesswork. But I really would have liked to see how Vingegaard in good shape would have performed in this TT. Given his performances in the last TDFs, he might have put a decent gap to Evenepoel and everybody else.

 

[Riek s]

Its all guesswork. But I really would have liked to see how Vingegaard in good shape would have performed in this TT. Given his performances in the last TDFs, he might have put a decent gap to Evenepoel and everybody else.

On this parcour? He hasn't shown anywhere that he can compete for podium on these routes. He is less Aero than Remco and maybe pushes similar Watts, so doubt he would win (let alone by a big margin) on this parcour.

(but there wasn't an indication he would win the TT or a GT either... so who knows)

 

[Red Rick]

Quote taken out of context or a misstranslation. Either way, he said he drove 15 watts faster than his pacing plan, which is something entirely different than he could do that and holding back and have you not.

Yeah fair. Faster than pacing plan is something I've heard before, even this year.

 

[Red Rick]

Its all guesswork. But I really would have liked to see how Vingegaard in good shape would have performed in this TT. Given his performances in the last TDFs, he might have put a decent gap to Evenepoel and everybody else.

My bet for Vingegaard is that, depending on whether he does the road race, finishes between 1'30 and 2'30 down.

 

[Volderke]

I would not underestimate Vingegaard's TT abilities on a flat parcours; he has proven to go very fast in flatter TT, and he has shown that he is superior in hilly TT.
I would rate Vingegaard over Evenepoel in a hilly TT without doubt (like the one in the Tour), but just as much I would rate Evenepoel over Vingegaard in e.g. today's TT and the 2 TT in the Giro, and the one in the Vuelta.
The one in the Tour of 2022 would be a close one between Vingegaard and Evenepoel, in my opinion (rolling, with some 2-3K climbs).

But it's Vingegaard's take to go and try it out. I do hope though that there will be a slightly more hilly parcours next year, as today's race awarded the rouleurs on the flat (Ganna and Tarling) (Evenepoel is a can-do-all), so Vingegaard at least considers it.

 

[KZD]

Now it's time to hunt that UEC Road Race Jersey!

Remco has bigger fish to fry at this point of his career. In Championship races that's basically the Olympics where he could try to win both the RR and the TT already next year.

@Red Rick, can we now conclude that Remco doesn't have any weakness in TTs over 30-35km?

 

[Red Rick]

Remco has bigger fish to fry at this point of his career. In Championship races that's basically the Olympics where he could try to win both the RR and the TT already next year.

@Red Rick, can we now conclude that Remco doesn't have any weakness in TTs over 30-35km?

Wait until I come back with the appropriate amount of copium in my take.

Spoiler

He only beat a track cyclist and someone who's basically a kid

In seriousness, this was a great ITT. But I also don't agree with the premise that "the longer the TT the better" for him. I still think his absolute sweetspot is the medium length ITTs.

 

[Cookster15]

I would not underestimate Vingegaard's TT abilities on a flat parcours; he has proven to go very fast in flatter TT, and he has shown that he is superior in hilly TT.
I would rate Vingegaard over Evenepoel in a hilly TT without doubt (like the one in the Tour), but just as much I would rate Evenepoel over Vingegaard in e.g. today's TT and the 2 TT in the Giro, and the one in the Vuelta.
The one in the Tour of 2022 would be a close one between Vingegaard and Evenepoel, in my opinion (rolling, with some 2-3K climbs).

But it's Vingegaard's take to go and try it out. I do hope though that there will be a slightly more hilly parcours next year, as today's race awarded the rouleurs on the flat (Ganna and Tarling) (Evenepoel is a can-do-all), so Vingegaard at least considers it.

I would not rate Vingegaard better than Evenepoel in a hilly TT. Vingegaard excels on long / steep climbs. No TT used in a major championship or grand tour has a climb long enough to worry Remco. Even in a MTT I am not sure that would favor Vingegaard as that is a different kind of effort. And its difficult to compare these two anyway as in grand tours its also about recovery where we know Vingegaard is good although it helps when you have a strong team protecting you.

 

[Lequack]

Among the spectators

 

[jmdirt]

I have to admit, I did not see RE winning. I know that he can motor, but... His form is dialed! Ganna oh so close!

Great ride for McNulty!

 

[Elos Anjos]

Among the spectators

JFC what a hillbilly.

Is this his daughter or his girlfriend?

 

[KZD]

Wait until I come back with the appropriate amount of copium in my take.

Spoiler

He only beat a track cyclist and someone who's basically a kid

In seriousness, this was a great ITT. But I alsi don't agree with the premise that "the longer the TT the better" for him. I still think his absolute sweetspot is the medium length ITTs.

Well, in my case I don't think distance really matters for Remco in TTs, apart from very short ones (prologues basically). What makes a significant difference for him is how technical they are, the more technical the worst for Remco, especially if raining.

Anyway besides Remco's magnificent win and Ganna showing us that he just had a bad day last year, the day belonged to Josh Tarling, I expected him to top5, which would have been already a great result but finishing 3th close to a minute ahead of 5th, is a crazy result for a 19 year old neo-pro, on par with the one Remco achieved in Harrogate, I would say.

McNulty was performed well above of my expectations and shoutout to Nelson Oliveira, a rider that few would have expected to be in the top10 but always seems to peak very well for the WCTT. While I think Van Aert, Küng and Pogačar suffered from their efforts in the road race, that doesn't fully explain their subpar performances.

 

[Nick2413]

Wout was the only rider who did remotely well in both the TT and RR, but was still far below his best in the TT.

 

[tobydawq]

Wout is on fire mentally i think. I believe it's his to lose. Küng and Asgreen for podium.

Remco is tired. Ganna is not in shape.

Well...

 

[Stasat]

Massively impressive win by Evemepoel and a top performance by Tarling, just 19 years old and a medal at the elite worlds. Crazy.

 

[Riek s]

Maybe even more impressive is that Tarling setup isn't yet the best he could have had. HIs handlebars are not yet custom like the others.

Not sure how much impact it has, but still...

Good to see another 19year old doing well in the Worlds TT. (did get lucky that this parcour suits him to the bone. flat, bad running tarmac, crosswinds, .. bar the last ramp).

Lovely picture

 

[search]

Vine got a 49s penalty for drafting. Yes. 49.

https://www.tissottiming.com/File/0003160200010601FFFFFFFFFFFFFF04

 

[Ulle97]

Just interested to know if Remco gets any credit for winning today?

Did we have a field full of top competitors?
Was it a prestigious race?

What are the excuses from the haters this time?

 

[DNP-Old]

Tarling should be a shoe in for the Paris ITT. However, spots and all, he doesn't offer as much yet as some other options for the road race and therefore has little value. Solution: select him for the track team. I've said it so many times, he can take Team GB over the top there too. Bigham, Hayter and Tarling is world record material.

 

[red_flanders]

"I have no idea why people dislike him"

More of the quote:

“To be honest, I could ride harder and faster than we planned, I could always ride 10 or 15 Watts above my pacing plan. So if you know after 30 minutes that you’re still not on the limit and don’t feel the legs, you know you’re on one of those days. I knew from the second intermediate I was going faster than people and with a bit of my terrain coming with the ups and downs. But this final climb was really brutal, and it really gave me an ‘extra knife’ in the legs in this super-hard TT, but I’m just super-proud and super-happy.”

Not sure why anyone would have a problem with that. Rather matter of fact, as usual. Was going well, on a great day, still hurt at the end when I thought I'd take more time. Pretty much spot on.

 

[Riek s]

Just interested to know if Remco gets any credit for winning today?

Did we have a field full of top competitors?
Was it a prestigious race?

What are the excuses from the haters this time?

Kung, WVA, Pog are tired because of the RR. Ganna focussed on the track. So he only beat a 19 year old ?

 

[kingjr]

More of the quote:

Not sure why anyone would have a problem with that. Rather matter of fact, as usual. Was going well, on a great day, still hurt at the end when I thought I'd take more time. Pretty much spot on.

A better translation would be "was able to" rather than "could", the latter was interpreted as "could have" I believe

 

[Big Doopie]

Oh I would love Remco to win.

However he does not appear in Giro day 1 form. And I think that’s what it will take frankly.

Kung would be a sentimental pick.

I think G, Kamna and/or Pog may surprise here in terms of challenging for the podium.

Well this did not age well. Got to point it out as well when I am so thoroughly wrong.

Very happy tho - super win. And from his interview it was clear he had been specifically training for this and not the road race.

And funny to hear him state he has 5 out of the 6. I thought all the champions jerseys would be a great thing to pursue. I did not think he had it himself as a major goal as well.

 

[Izzyeviel]

Just interested to know if Remco gets any credit for winning today?

Did we have a field full of top competitors?
Was it a prestigious race?

What are the excuses from the haters this time?

No. No Roglic, No Jonas, No Kuss, No Froome.

 

[red_flanders]

A better translation would be "was able to" rather than "could", the latter was interpreted as "could have" I believe

Oh, yeah for sure. That's how I read it. But I'm used to listening to Belgians speaking English. Didn't read it the second way at all.