World Championship 2025: Men’s RR, September 28

[Berniece]

Del Toro seems just have a couple of random boys with him, why is Chucky Cadena not riding? You think he'd at least be a bit more battle hardened, it's like Avenir all over again.

Because he’s riding for UAE instead of Mexico

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Because he’s riding for UAE instead of Mexico

I doubt UAE decide who gets selected for the Mexican team, but who knows?

 

[Berniece]

I doubt UAE decide who gets selected for the Mexican team, but who knows?

No, I mean they don’t care. Del Toro is riding like Sivakov last year

 

[will-10]

Maybe in the afternoon. Hope not, on those roads it would get very slippery

Poor weather could be a disaster

Tour du Rwanda 2025 Stage 7 results

Fabien Doubey is the winner of Tour du Rwanda 2025, before Henok Mulubrhan and Oliver Mattheis. The stage from Kigali to Kigali was won by Samuel Coleman.

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[Tim Cahill]

No, I mean they don’t care. Del Toro is riding like Sivakov last year

I considered that but I imagine he would never be able to show his face in Mexico again, it's not like the Russian traitor Sivakov where nobody really cares and most people expect him to do it anyway. There are probably a million little Mexican kids crowded round a dusty tv set watching, can't be letting them down.

I suspect Jan Christen will be in the mercenary/rogue satellite rider role this time if needed.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Carapaz"s two domestiques have a combined height of about 160cm. Hopefully Richie is not forced to going shoulder to shoulder with the belgians !!! Where's narvaez?

 

[Tim Cahill]

Carapaz"s two domestiques have a combined height of about 160cm. Hopefully Richie is not forced to going shoulder to shoulder with the belgians !!! Where's narvaez?

This is the drawback to Carapaz’ style, he’s beefing with so many people now that even his own guys are refusing to be on the same team. He will have something devious planned though, will know who the most easily wound up guys are and how to take advantage, my guess; The Spanish, Healy or the American hothead Simmonds.

 

[YavorD]

I suspect Jan Christen will be in the mercenary/rogue satellite rider role this time if needed.

Wait, what? You're telling me there's another member of team Christen in the race and Christen won't work for Jan Christen, but for a
team mate?

Edit: I see you now, Fabio is in the race and the puzzle is solved.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

This is the drawback to Carapaz’ style, he’s beefing with so many people now that even his own guys are refusing to be on the same team. He will have something devious planned though, will know who the most easily wound up guys are and how to take advantage, my guess; The Spanish, Healy or the American hothead Simmonds.

How are they beefing so badly that narvaez is refusing to show up for the perfect worlds championship for him, in his prime??. Ritchie must be doing 'magic' tricks at the coffee stops and stealing people's wallets or something.

 

[Brullnux]

How are they beefing so badly that narvaez is refusing to show up for the perfect worlds championship for him, in his prime??. Ritchie must be doing 'magic' tricks at the coffee stops and stealing people's wallets or something.

They had a big fallout over Olympic selection last year. Narvaez got picked over Carapaz, Carapaz had a meltdown, Narvaez hit back, etc.

 

[Wyndbrook]

This is the drawback to Carapaz’ style, he’s beefing with so many people now that even his own guys are refusing to be on the same team. He will have something devious planned though, will know who the most easily wound up guys are and how to take advantage, my guess; The Spanish, Healy or the American hothead Simmonds.

I'm sure Simon Yates will be laughing back home with his feet up on the sofa.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

They had a big fallout over Olympic selection last year. Narvaez got picked over Carapaz, Carapaz had a meltdown, Narvaez hit back, etc.

I reckon my theory's a bit more realistic mate

 

[Cycling111]

Ecuadorian journalists say Narvaez's absence is due to the problems last year.

Carapaz publicly critized the national team selection for Olympic Games, and since then, the relationship between the federation and the riders has been complicated. It seems to have been a Carapaz-or-Narvaez ultimatum. Carapaz is in, Narvaez isn't; it's clear what they´ve decided this year.
Although the official excuse has been to say that it was not a circuit for Narvaez, something that no one believes. They haven´t made an effort to invent a creible excuse.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Ayuso says he won't settle for second. This is starting to get interesting.

 

[Cookster15]

Ayuso says he won't settle for second. This is starting to get interesting.

Indeed. Sounds to me like Ayuso is showing his usual over confidence on his true ability relative to his UAE teammate. Perhaps reinforced by two early season wins in one day races? We will see.

 

[Red Rick]

So I was thinking about overal duration and average speed. Anyone think it's gonna be over 7 hours? Would be 38.2 kph average.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So I was thinking about overal duration and average speed. Anyone think it's gonna be over 7 hours? Would be 38.2 kph average.

Over 7 hours is almost an unknown territory in cycling nowadays. It could be indeed. Teddy will need heavy carbs loading (1 kilo of rice & triple portion of porridge in the morning).

 

[Red Rick]

Over 7 hours is almost an unknown territory in cycling nowadays. It could be indeed. Teddy will need heavy carbs loading (1 kilo of rice & triple portion of porridge in the morning).

Under 6h in RVV this year IIRC.

I've looked at the speeds of previous WC, and what funnily enough gets very important for average speed is if you have a flat section before the circuit, because that drives up the average pretty hard, and if you don't, then the ME races tends to have similar average speeds as the MU and even the juniors, simply because the extra laps in the beginning is where they go so slow.

I checked Pogacar's file for Montreal one year and last year his fastest lap was 46 kph average and one of his early laps was 34 kph average.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Under 6h in RVV this year IIRC.

I've looked at the speeds of previous WC, and what funnily enough gets very important for average speed is if you have a flat section before the circuit, because that drives up the average pretty hard, and if you don't, then the ME races tends to have similar average speeds as the MU and even the juniors, simply because the extra laps in the beginning is where they go so slow.

I checked Pogacar's file for Montreal one year and last year his fastest lap was 46 kph average and one of his early laps was 34 kph average.

Its up and down all day, almost no flat. All those climbs will be slower due to altitude, I expect around 7 hours indeed, maybe a bit more

 

[Pantani_lives]

Let's have another look at the climbs.

One-time lap:

• Côte de Péage: 1.7 km @ 5.8% - just a warm-up.
• Mount Kigali: 5.75 km @ 6.6% - longest climb, comparable to La Planche de Belle Filles, steep final km.
• Mur de Kigali: 0.45 km @ 10% - cobbles, comparable to the Paterberg, but a bit less steep and at higher altitude.

Local circuit:

• Côte de Kigali Golf: 0.8 km @ 8% - comparable to the Berendries, but at higher altitude.
• Côte de Kimihurura: 1.25 km @ 6% - cobbles, comparable to the Bosberg, but at higher altitude.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Let's have another look at the climbs.

One-time lap:

• Côte de Péage: 1.7 km @ 5.8% - just a warm-up.
• Mount Kigali: 5.75 km @ 6.6% - longest climb, comparable to La Planche de Belle Filles, steep final km.
• Mur de Kigali: 0.45 km @ 10% - cobbles, comparable to the Paterberg, but a bit less steep and at higher altitude.

Local circuit:

• Côte de Kigali Golf: 0.8 km @ 8% - comparable to the Berendries, but at higher altitude.
• Côte de Kimihurura: 1.25 km @ 6% - cobbles, comparable to the Bosberg, but at higher altitude.

I know La Planche des Belles Filles isn‘t popular but comparing it to a slightly shorter climb with way lower average gradient (6.6% vs. 8.1%) is insane.

 

[rghysens]

Let's have another look at the climbs.

One-time lap:

• Côte de Péage: 1.7 km @ 5.8% - just a warm-up.
• Mount Kigali: 5.75 km @ 6.6% - longest climb, comparable to La Planche de Belle Filles, steep final km.
• Mur de Kigali: 0.45 km @ 10% - cobbles, comparable to the Paterberg, but a bit less steep and at higher altitude.

Local circuit:

• Côte de Kigali Golf: 0.8 km @ 8% - comparable to the Berendries, but at higher altitude.
• Côte de Kimihurura: 1.25 km @ 6% - cobbles, comparable to the Bosberg, but at higher altitude.

In the local lap there are also some smaller climbs/false flats, with an elevation gain of 20m to 40m, that add a lot tobthe general difficulty of the course. Another point that adds to the difficulty is the fact that the climbs come just after a sharp turn, meaning you start them at a very low speed.

 

[Red Rick]

In the local lap there are also some smaller climbs/false flats, with an elevation gain of 20m to 40m, that add a lot tobthe general difficulty of the course. Another point that adds to the difficulty is the fact that the climbs come just after a sharp turn, meaning you start them at a very low speed.

For short climbs that matters a lot, especially as not only do you start at slow speed, it adds a large harmonica effect as well

 

[acm]

So I was thinking about overal duration and average speed. Anyone think it's gonna be over 7 hours? Would be 38.2 kph average.

Pogi said he expects around six and a half hours of suffering.

 

[Red Rick]

Pogi said he expects around six and a half hours of suffering.

Pogacar is just gonna say a completely generic amount without actually thinking for 5 seconds about this or doing any math.