World Championship team qualifying system

[mc_mountain]

From memory JTL earned the team a spot last year in the way search sets out (8 riders had scored WT points, and GB were far enough up the Continental Tables, to get the 9th spot)

 

[The Hitch]

Hmm. So taking Colombia they have 8 riders in the wt of which 4 have scored points (henao uran betancur Quintana). Duartes and pantanos wt points don't count cos they ride for a pc team.
So unless more riders score they can have 4 places right.

But then through the Americas, I don't know what races that has but I'm assuming they'd be good at it, they can take more places right?

 

[mc_mountain]

Hmm. So taking Colombia they have 8 riders in the wt of which 4 have scored points (henao uran betancur Quintana). Duartes and pantanos wt points don't count cos they ride for a pc team.
So unless more riders score they can have 4 places right.

But then through the Americas, I don't know what races that has but I'm assuming they'd be good at it, they can take more places right?

Colombia should get 6 riders if they finish in the top 10 (see last line of search's first quote box), its the 7th, 8th and 9th rider that needs to qualify by having scored a WT point or by other method.

 

[Duartista]

Colombia should get 6 riders if they finish in the top 10 (see last line of search's first quote box), its the 7th, 8th and 9th rider that needs to qualify by having scored a WT point or by other method.

If that's the case they should get 9, because they always finish top in the America Tour ranking, which in gives them another 6 spots (in theory).

 

[del1962]

Hmm. So taking Colombia they have 8 riders in the wt of which 4 have scored points (henao uran betancur Quintana). Duartes and pantanos wt points don't count cos they ride for a pc team.
So unless more riders score they can have 4 places right.

But then through the Americas, I don't know what races that has but I'm assuming they'd be good at it, they can take more places right?

Want team Cololombia ride on the pro-continental circuit, which will allow them opportunities, though the whole thing is a joke, as the winner of milan san remo wont be a qualified rider thet way, but second to 10th give the riders nations a place.

 

[del1962]

What I am really trying to find out is if you have the possibility of 9 riders throught your world tour placing, but have less qualified through the world tour, what does a rider (s) have to do on the pro-continental tour for that extra place (s)?

I can't find the info anywhere?

 

[search]

the whole thing is a joke, as the winner of milan san remo wont be a qualified rider thet way, but second to 10th give the riders nations a place.

yeah, that's a bit strange that those points from Ciolek don't count at all, neither for World Tour nor for European ranking.

Colombia should be save to get 9 spots, but Slovakia is struggling a bit, if Sagan can keep them inside Top 10 in WT ranking by nations they will get 6 spots, if not, they will be down to 3. Also Germany isn't save to have 9 spots at the moment, but most likely it doesn't care anyway as they don't have any riders suitable to that course (apart from Sinkewitz maybe who will not start anyway)

 

[search]

What I am really trying to find out is if you have the possibility of 9 riders throught your world tour placing, but have less qualified through the world tour, what does a rider (s) have to do on the pro-continental tour for that extra place (s)?

I can't find the info anywhere?

the way I understand it, if you are Top 10 in the WT ranking by nations but don't have 9 riders scoring points, you are allowed to fill them up if you are Top 14 in european tour ranking by nations

Edit: what I don't really understand is how it adds up if you don't have 6 rider sscoring points in world tour. For example, if a nation is Top 10 in WT but just 4 riders scoring points, they would get 6 spots anyway because that's the minimum you get when you are Top 10 - but if they gain 3 more spots due to continental ranking, do they get 4+3=7 or 6+3=9 spots?

 

[RedheadDane]

I think it's pretty safe to say that the qualifying system is just weiRd, with a capital R!

Seriously, it's just one of those things where I go; "There might be some sort of logic, somewhere in this. I can't find it."

 

[del1962]

the way I understand it, if you are Top 10 in the WT ranking by nations but don't have 9 riders scoring points, you are allowed to fill them up if you are Top 14 in european tour ranking by nations

Edit: what I don't really understand is how it adds up if you don't have 6 rider sscoring points in world tour. For example, if a nation is Top 10 in WT but just 4 riders scoring points, they would get 6 spots anyway because that's the minimum you get when you are Top 10 - but if they gain 3 more spots due to continental ranking, do they get 4+3=7 or 6+3=9 spots?

So unlike the world tour rider qualification it is not on individual performances, but how your best 10 riders do.

They should run the qualification from 15th August to 15th August though, as a whole set of results have no impact on the World Road Race Qualification.

 

[search]

So unlike the world tour rider qualification it is not on individual performances, but how your best 10 riders do.

aggregated results from the top 5 riders of each nation, yes

 

[The Hitch]

yeah, that's a bit strange that those points from Ciolek don't count at all, neither for World Tour nor for European ranking.

Colombia should be save to get 9 spots, but Slovakia is struggling a bit, if Sagan can keep them inside Top 10 in WT ranking by nations they will get 6 spots, if not, they will be down to 3. Also Germany isn't save to have 9 spots at the moment, but most likely it doesn't care anyway as they don't have any riders suitable to that course (apart from Sinkewitz maybe who will not start anyway)

They can domestique for Gilbert the whole race like last year.

 

[avanti]

All teams should have the same number of riders.

 

[search]

we have discussed the regulations and did some calculation on vr about the quota for this year's world championships

Tour de l'Ain is still on, but most continental riders in the race are from nations that cannot step up any further anyway, so if our interpretation of the rules and my calculation of updated continental rankings (last official update was on July 25th) are correct, this should be the starting quota for the world championships:

AUSTRALIA 9
COLOMBIA 9
FRANCE 9
ITALY 9
NETHERLANDS 9
SPAIN 9
GREAT BRITAIN 8
SWITZERLAND 8
BELGIUM 7
CZECH REPUBLIC 7
GERMANY 7
SLOVENIA 7
UNITED STATES 7
AUSTRIA 6
IRAN 6
MOROCCO 6
POLAND 6
SLOVAKIA 6
UKRAINE 6
VENEZUELA 6
DENMARK 4
IRELAND 4
PORTUGAL 4
ALGERIA 3
BRAZIL 3
CANADA 3
COSTA RICA 3
CROATIA 3
ERITREA 3
ESTONIA 3
HONG KONG 3
KAZAKHSTAN 3
LATVIA 3
LITHUANIA 3
MALAYSIA 3
MEXICO 3
NEW ZEALAND 3
NORWAY 3
RUSSIA 3
SWEDEN 3
TURKEY 3
SOUTH AFRICA 2
ARGENTINA 1
BELARUS 1
BULGARIA 1
CUBA 1
ECUADOR 1
FINLAND 1
GREECE 1
HUNGARY 1
LUXEMBOURG 1
ROMANIA 1
SERBIA 1
TUNESIA 1

 

[Gloin22]

Wasn't there an article about Nairo saying if Colombia had full team they would had very big chance of win, but with only 6 riders it's going to be tougher?

I am preety sure it was said few times Colombia will have 6 riders. Or is that rubbish?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

That is rubbish.
That's because some media can't understand or read the rules.

Colombia are in the top 10 WT, so 9 riders -> BUT not 9 riders classified, HOWEVER, there is an additional rule that states that if a country is top 10 WT, and top (x) in their own continental ranking (so for Colombia the american CT ranking) they can send 9 riders regardless. Colombia simply qualified for 9 riders. So they can send 9 riders. Simple as that

 

[search]

That is rubbish.
Colombia are in the top 10 WT, so 9 riders -> BUT not 9 riders classified, HOWEVER, there is an additional rule that states that if a country is top 10 WT, and top (x) in their own continental ranking (so for Colombia the american CT ranking) they can send 9 riders regardless. Colombia simply qualified for 9 riders. So they can send 9 riders. Simple as that

exactly. some french website (which also quoted someone from the UCI) said that's not the way the rules are to be read, but it was done exactly that way last year (for Great Britain & USA), and rules did not change since then, so I am pretty sure Colombia will be allowed to line up 9 riders

 

[murali]

Why can't the rules be rationalized with a blanket 6-member limit, plus additional quota for winners in major races.

For eg, if a country has quota of 6, but they have won (or podiumed) more than 6 major races (PT status or running for 25+years), then they can get an upper limit of , say, 9 riders. By my rough calculations, if we take just winners alone, then no team will get extra quota this year. But this will take care of the rarest of the rare case that more than 6 riders from a country have performed amazingly in top races.

To weed out amateurs participating in the race, an additional condition could be made that only riders who have completed in top-25 in any stage/race(world tour or continental) can participate in WC.

The idea is, any team who wants extra riders must earn it by scoring big races with as many riders as they want.

 

[search]

To weed out amateurs participating in the race [...]

why would anyone think that's a good idea?

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Why can't the rules be rationalized with a blanket 6-member limit, plus additional quota for winners in major races.

Essentially, we can't have that because the major cycling powers would sulk. For instance, Nibali clearly deserves more teammates than a Sagan or a Martin or an Iglinsky because he is, after all, Italian. Anyone who argues otherwise simply doesn't understand cycling.

 

[MatParker117]

2013 Rider allotments as it stands (according to wikipedia)

9 riders
Australia
France
Italy
Netherlands
Spain
8 Riders
Great Britain
6 Riders
Colombia
Poland
Slovakia
Switzerland
Eritea
Iran
USA
Brazil
Belgium
Ukraine
Czech Republic
Slovenia
Russia
3 Riders
Algeria
Hong Kong
New Zealand
Malaysia
Morocco
Kazakhstan
Venezuela
Argentina
Canada
Denmark
Austria
Norway
Croatia
Turkey
Latvia
Estonia
Sweden
Costa Rica
Ireland
Lithuania
Portugal
2 Riders
South Africa
1 Rider
Belarus
Finland
Luxembourg
Ecuador
Mexico
Cuba
Greece
Hungary
Moldova
Serbia

 

[search]

it's all wrong though

 

[gustienordic]

we have discussed the regulations and did some calculation on vr about the quota for this year's world championships

Tour de l'Ain is still on, but most continental riders in the race are from nations that cannot step up any further anyway, so if our interpretation of the rules and my calculation of updated continental rankings (last official update was on July 25th) are correct, this should be the starting quota for the world championships:

AUSTRALIA 9
COLOMBIA 9
FRANCE 9
ITALY 9
NETHERLANDS 9
SPAIN 9
GREAT BRITAIN 8
SWITZERLAND 8
BELGIUM 7
CZECH REPUBLIC 7
GERMANY 7
SLOVENIA 7
UNITED STATES 7
AUSTRIA 6
IRAN 6
MOROCCO 6
POLAND 6
SLOVAKIA 6
UKRAINE 6
VENEZUELA 6
DENMARK 4
IRELAND 4
PORTUGAL 4
ALGERIA 3
BRAZIL 3
CANADA 3
COSTA RICA 3
CROATIA 3
ERITREA 3
ESTONIA 3
HONG KONG 3
KAZAKHSTAN 3
LATVIA 3
LITHUANIA 3
MALAYSIA 3
MEXICO 3
NEW ZEALAND 3
NORWAY 3
RUSSIA 3
SWEDEN 3
TURKEY 3
SOUTH AFRICA 2
ARGENTINA 1
BELARUS 1
BULGARIA 1
CUBA 1
ECUADOR 1
FINLAND 1
GREECE 1
HUNGARY 1
LUXEMBOURG 1
ROMANIA 1
SERBIA 1
TUNESIA 1

Bolds are nations that should have less (imo) and italics those that should certainly have more- Iran gets 6 while Russia gets three?!?

 

[search]

Luxembourg should propably have more, that's true, the fact that Jungels points don't count is a bit bizzarre. Although on the other side, there were years when they had 6 and did not even use all of them.

For Morocco and Iran, certainly, they propably won't be a factor, no matter if with 3 or 6 riders, but I think it's good that there is a certain number of african and asian cyclists in the race. Although it should propably be less riders per nation but more nations itself instead.

 

[Hysminai]

2013 Rider allotments as it stands (according to wikipedia)

Can't be true. Denmark isn't even on that list.