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World Champs January 29th

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theyoungest said:
Dude, that was a bit of a fail ;)

Doesn't take anything away from your argument though. Even if Van der Poel had a Colombian father and a Zimbabwean mother, and grew up in Papua New Guinea, who cares? If he's Dutch he's Dutch.

I don't think it was a fail, why would I have to know who the extended family is of a Dutch junior cyclo-cross rider? I just know he is Adri's son. It might have been a fail not to do the research after reading about Poulidor in Pistolero's post, I'll give you that, but not that I somehow had to know it beforehand. I'm certain most people didn't even know that fact about Mathieu until now.

Anyway, as you have said, my point stands.
 
Spine Concept said:
I don't think it was a fail, why would I have to know who the extended family is of a Dutch junior cyclo-cross rider? I just know he is Adri's son. It might have been a fail not to do the research after reading about Poulidor in Pistolero's post, I'll give you that, but not that I somehow had to know it beforehand. I'm certain most people didn't even know that fact about Mathieu until now.

Anyway, as you have said, my point stands.
This particular junior cyclocross rider happens to have famous relatives. It's quite well known that Adri van der Poel is married to Poulidor's daughter.
 
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Your point doesn't stand because according to the same logic Andrei Tchmil would be a Belgian and I can guarantee you no one ever saw him as a Belgian. As for the names you mentioned, 95% of Belgians don't know who the hell they are.

And yes, it was a fail by you. Implying that you can't have strong genetics because no one on the mother's(or father's) side has famous athletes. LOL! Are you a practictioner of eugenetics or what? Disturbing to say the least.

Ps: I'm not saying he's not Dutch, just adding a little bit more nuance here as it's needed. I find it more important where someone grew up than where he was born. After all, according to your logic Bradley Wiggins is a Belgian.
 
El Pistolero said:
Your point doesn't stand because according to the same logic Andrei Tchmil would be a Belgian and I can guarantee you no one ever saw him as a Belgian. As for the names you mentioned, 95% of Belgians don't know who the hell they are.

And yes, it was a fail by you. Implying that you can't have strong genetics because no one on the mother's(or father's) side has famous athletes. LOL! Are you a practictioner of eugenetics or what? Disturbing to say the least.

Ps: I'm not saying he's not Dutch, just adding a little bit more nuance here as it's needed. I find it more important where someone grew up than where he was born. After all, according to your logic Bradley Wiggins is a Belgian.

I'm sorry, I don't argue with trolls. This is a typical case of an envious Belgian. The DUTCH dominated everything other than the elite category, now go cry somewhere else for someone who cares about accents and how that makes him less Dutch and more... what? Belgian? :rolleyes: Next please...
 
El Pistolero said:
Your point doesn't stand because according to the same logic Andrei Tchmil would be a Belgian and I can guarantee you no one ever saw him as a Belgian. As for the names you mentioned, 95% of Belgians don't know who the hell they are.

And yes, it was a fail by you. Implying that you can't have strong genetics because no one on the mother's(or father's) side has famous athletes. LOL! Are you a practictioner of eugenetics or what? Disturbing to say the least.

Ps: I'm not saying he's not Dutch, just adding a little bit more nuance here as it's needed. I find it more important where someone grew up than where he was born. After all, according to your logic Bradley Wiggins is a Belgian.

That's a nice cover up argument for simply wanting to take away from the Dutch achievements. Whatever floats your boat though, troll. Fact is, it does not bear any meaning on the results or his nationality. The one thing that is disturbing is your logic. Youngest made that pretty clear in his last post as well. The examples you tried to use in order to prove your point are an obvious indication that you are grasping at straws. First you want to question how Dutch he really is and then you contradict yourself by saying that you are not saying he's not Dutch followed by an excuse for an argument to try and cover up your silly contention. Then you try and use the Wiggins card on me, lol. Wiggins has no Belgian parents. Sigh. Desperate attempt at an analogy. Guess who the biggest fail of all is, that's right, Mr Pistrollero. I don't even know why I'm wasting my time. Mathieu is Dutch which is why he rides for the Dutch squad. You started this whole argument because you got ticked off at everybody going on about the Dutch domination at the cyclo-cross WC. Cry me a river. Pathetic. Nice try though troll. Next please.
 
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Yeah, that's why your posts contained zero real arguments and just silly name calling. I don't take away from the Dutch achievements, but it's a fact he's half French, half Dutch, grew up in Flanders and has a Flemish sport as a "hobby".

It's just the Junior WC in a small sport, I'd chill out if I were you.
 
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theyoungest said:
Pisti, don't overtroll it again, Van der Poel actually has a Dutch father, remember?

Like I said, I'm not saying he's not Dutch, I'm saying he's half Dutch and half French and grew up in Flanders. But your arguments sounded very much like "the only thing that matters is what flag he rides for" hence I made the Andrei Tchmil comparison.

To make another analogy: Haussler is a Half German and half Australian even if he only rides for Australia. And Klöden is a European ;)
 
El Pistolero said:
Yeah, that's why your posts contained zero real arguments and just silly name calling. I don't take away from the Dutch achievements, but it's a fact he's half French, half Dutch, grew up in Flanders and has a Flemish sport as a "hobby".

It's just the Junior WC in a small sport, I'd chill out if I were you.

Lol. It had zero arguments because everything has already been said. It's just that it won't get passed your thick skull because you are obviously trolling. Thus the ensuing posts tend to get repetitive you see. He's Dutch, and will be celebrated as such. You don't have to try and belittle their achievements by digging up facts that have no bearing on the results.

I am chilled out, but if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Simple as that, troll ;)
 
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Spine Concept said:
Lol. It had zero arguments because everything has already been said. It's just that it won't get passed your thick skull because you are obviously trolling. He's Dutch, and will be celebrated as such. You don't have to try and belittle their achievements by digging up facts that have no bearing on the results.

I am chilled out, but if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Simple as that. ;)

How am I belittling his achievements by saying he's half Dutch, half French, grew up in Flanders and has a Flemish hobby? This isn't your victory, it's his victory.

It will be celebrated as Van der Poel's victory and not as a Dutch victory. He won the race, not a country. Cavendish' victory at the Worlds this year was a British victory though because the whole team contributed to the victory. That's not the case in cyclo-cross however where team-work isn't nearly as important, especially in the sand and mud.
 
El Pistolero said:
How am I belittling his achievements by saying he's half Dutch, half French, grew up in Flanders and has a Flemish hobby? This isn't your victory, it's his victory.

It will be celebrated as Van der Poel's victory and not as a Dutch victory. He won the race, not a country.

Van der Poel represents, the Netherlands. Of course it's a victory for Dutch cyclo-cross. What a silly comment. I'd stop here if I were you. It's getting embarrassing on your end. Troll.
 
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Is that the only word in your vocabular? Troll is not a word to describe a person who doesn't agree with you.

Like I said, I'm not belittling his achievenments by pointing out he's half French, half Dutch and grew up in Flanders.
 
El Pistolero said:
Is that the only word in your vocabular? Troll is not a word to describe a person who doesn't agree with you.

Like I said, I'm not belittling his achievenments by pointing out he's half French, half Dutch and grew up in Flanders.

No, it's not the only word in my vocabulary, but I like to call it what it is. I'm not the only one recognizing that you are trolling in here. Don't like it? Deal with it.

Like I said, the timing was typical for a troll to dig up those facts and throw it out there. Right when someone was celebrating the Dutch domination.
 
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Dig up those facts? I though they were well known until I read some garbage in this thread. Besides, the only reason I stated those facts was because Timmy called me ignorant while I closely follow cyclocross both in Juniors, U23 and pro's. He already admitted he said that just to bait me though, so all is fine. Except your constant bullcrap. I have no problem with Dutch domination, in fact I would love for a little more foreign competition in cyclocross as it's getting boring now in the pro scene. But keep thinking you know better, one day you might wake up and realize you're still stuck in 19th century nationalism though. Europe is the future!

I'd love it if Van der Haar started winning right away next year with the pro's. I bet I hate the Dutchies sooo much huh? :rolleyes: I think you guys are having problems with Belgians, not the other way around.
 
El Pistolero said:
Dig up those facts? I though they were well known until I read some garbage in this thread.

Dig them up, or just throw them out there at that moment. What difference does it make. No one was talking about the rider's life story. Just celebrating a Dutch victory. You could have just left it at that. You get tho celebrate the total Belgian domination in the elite category, so let the Dutch celebrate it all out without having to bring the rider's ''Dutch-ness'' into question. Not needed in my opinion. Anyway. This back and forth is getting tedious now. Have it your way. I've made my point.
 
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Spine Concept said:
Dig them up, or just throw them out there at that moment. What difference does it make. No one was talking about the rider's life story. Just celebrating a Dutch victory. You could have just left it at that. Anyway. This back and forth is getting tedious now. Have it your way. I've made my point.

Look at Timmy's post and you'll see why I made that statement ;) He was baiting me and I reacted to show I'm not ignorant of cyclocross. I'm well aware of things going around in the CX scene. My only hope is that the U23 talents don't all go to the road and advance to the CX pro scene instead, so we can have a bigger sport as right now it's dominated by Belgians and that isn't healthy. If that makes me a troll than yes, I am one ;)

Do I hate Belgians because I can't stand Kevin Pauwels? Nope, I just can't stand him. Just like I can't stand some Dutch cyclists, but that doesn't mean I can't stand Dutchies :eek:
 
El Pistolero said:
Look at Timmy's post and you'll see why I made that statement ;) He was baiting me and I reacted to show I'm not ignorant of cyclocross. I'm well aware of things going around in the CX scene. My only hope is that the U23 talents don't all go to the road and advance to the CX pro scene instead, so we can have a bigger sport as right now it's dominated by Belgians and that isn't healthy. If that makes me a troll than yes, I am one ;)

Do I hate Belgians because I can't stand Kevin Pauwels? Nope, I just can't stand him. Just like I can't stand some Dutch cyclists, but that doesn't mean I can't stand Dutchies :eek:

That's not the reason why you were called out to be a troll and you know it. I see your point about not loathing Dutchies in general though. This was an isolated situation. Anyway, I hope cyclo-cross grows more competitive as well. Be it Dutch, French, Czech Rep., it doesn't matter. It's a great sport and deserves to get more attention if you ask me.
 
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Spine Concept said:
That's not the reason why you were called out to be a troll and you know it. I see your point about not loathing Dutchies in general though. This was an isolated situation. Anyway, I hope cyclo-cross grows more competitive as well. Be it Dutch, French, Czech Rep., it doesn't matter. It's a great sport and deserves to get more attention if you ask me.

There's a new classification next year that combines mountainbiking in the summer with cyclocross in the winter. The Fidea cyclocross classics will be part of that classification. I think a combination of both sports has a lot of potential. Perhaps some mountainbike dude's will give it a try.
 
I admit to not being a Pauwels fan. He seems to be a very boring rider. I watch interviews with Wellens and Aernouts and I see the excitement on their faces. With Pauwels, it's like taking a sleeping pill. He's the Levi Leipheimer of cyclocross.

In any case, I would say that, at this point, the cyclocross future looks a bit brighter for the Dutch than the Belgians. I think Albert and Meeusen are the future for Belgium, while Van der Haar will have a big impact if he opts to remain in cross.
 
Moose McKnuckles said:
I admit to not being a Pauwels fan. He seems to be a very boring rider. I watch interviews with Wellens and Aernouts and I see the excitement on their faces. With Pauwels, it's like taking a sleeping pill. He's the Levi Leipheimer of cyclocross.

In any case, I would say that, at this point, the cyclocross future looks a bit brighter for the Dutch than the Belgians. I think Albert and Meeusen are the future for Belgium, while Van der Haar will have a big impact if he opts to remain in cross.
I don't think so. In the past decade Holland has done quite well in the U23 ranks, but that's because here cyclocross is regarded as a kind of school for road cyclists. The guys that actually stay in cross don't live up to their promise. Van IJzendoorn was 2nd in the juniors worlds once, between Boom and Stybar. Thijs Al could actually win pro races just a few years ago.
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
I admit to not being a Pauwels fan. He seems to be a very boring rider. I watch interviews with Wellens and Aernouts and I see the excitement on their faces. With Pauwels, it's like taking a sleeping pill. He's the Levi Leipheimer of cyclocross.

In any case, I would say that, at this point, the cyclocross future looks a bit brighter for the Dutch than the Belgians. I think Albert and Meeusen are the future for Belgium, while Van der Haar will have a big impact if he opts to remain in cross.

The problem for van der Haar is that Albert is still pretty young.
 
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theyoungest said:
Niels Albert is hardly a dominating rider...

Just two weeks ago the riders of the season were Nys and Pauwels. And in some ways they still are.

It was so obvious Albert was holding back for the WC last few weeks(he had no classification to defend anyway). He was out for quite some time as well because of his wrist. Pauwels just got extremely lucky with the weather this year. Nys is old and will retire sooner rather than later.

Albert became WC in his first year as a pro, I wouldn't expect that from Van der Haar.
 

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