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Oh hell

I lost my *** today! I hope these SOB's Jump. I guess this post will be deleted but I have to say something.

I have a retirement plan but also I am in the 401 loss plan to the hilt.

F-you you SOB's....sell sell sell...
 
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Oncearunner8 said:
I lost my *** today! I hope these SOB's Jump. I guess this post will be deleted but I have to say something.

I have a retirement plan but also I am in the 401 loss plan to the hilt.

F-you you SOB's....sell sell sell...

Makes ya feel kind of powerless don't it? Fortunately (?) I can't afford a retirement fund at this point, beyond the pittance I put away before I bought the shop. When the sharks call with "investment tips" I tell them I am considering sinking my fortune into lunch futures.
 

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Makes ya feel kind of powerless don't it? Fortunately (?) I can't afford a retirement fund at this point, beyond the pittance I put away before I bought the shop. When the sharks call with "investment tips" I tell them I am considering sinking my fortune into lunch futures.

I think the lunch futures may be the ticket.

If I had any balls I would walk away from this unsatisfactory fat *** company. Do it on my own type ****. But my balls shrink up when I think about it. Such risk such ....risk. My daughter is 4 and I want her to have something before the end of the world in 2012. :eek:
 
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I think we should have a short term investment tax just as we have a reduced tax for long term capital gains. Trades that have a duration less than three months should be taxed at 70% on a per transaction basis. I also think that most types of trades should be subject to a 0.25% transaction fee.
 
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Someone say Obama? You mean that Long Legged Mack Daddy?

America got exactly what it deserved. And if most Americans weren't so Dumbed down, obese, drugged out, complacent, up to their eyeballs in debt, preoccupied with food and entertainment, unhealthy, and plan stupid, they might see Obama as the Fraud and Liar he is.

Here's a guy who was born in Kenya, raised as a muslim and hates America and everything it stands for. Didn't go to college or at least finish college. Has no records that can be found regarding his past. Swore, excuse me, promised he'd get the troops home if elected. Does drugs and questionable sexual activities with members of the same sex. Can't say a complete sentence with out his telepromter. Has slashed the U.S. Constitution to shreds.

He's scum, that's a fact. Any body disagrees with that:

You can chew on this.
 
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Coming from Robert the Muppet that tirade did not surprise me in the least.

You really have to hope that people cannot be born that stupid. It should take long and hard work.
 
Scott SoCal said:
So, I'm sitting in my office reading about the bloodbath on Wall St. today. The bulk of the jitters seem to coming from the situation with Greece and the fear that Portugal, Spain and possibly Italy are facing similar systemic problems. Not being real familiar with the details in Greece I thought I would look in to what's happening and I found a few things, namely;

Only the first of these reasons calls unambiguously for Greeks to accept the pain of fiscal austerity. All the others have a strong European dimension and call for European solutions. In particular, the loss of competitiveness by Greece (and a number of other countries, including Spain and Ireland) is the mirror image of an increase in relative competitiveness by others, notably Germany, Austria and the Netherlands. The latter countries could not have increased their net exports without the faster demand expansion in the former group, which, it is often forgotten, were also responsible for much of Europe’s economic and jobs growth in recent years, while demand and output growth in the surplus countries has been sluggish. The problem is symmetrical and the solution must be as well.

For Greece has not – as is often claimed or implied – lagged behind Germany in raising productivity: on the contrary hourly labour productivity increased more than twice as fast in Greece than Germany during the ten years of the euro since 1999. Nor do frequent claims in the media of Greek ‘laziness’ stand up to scrutiny: average annual working hours are the longest in Europe (and hundreds of hours per year longer than in Germany!). The problem has been with nominal wage and price setting.

Due to strong differences in wage setting, Greek nominal unit labour costs increased by more than 30% since the start of EMU – and the increases in Italy, Spain, Portugal and Ireland were even higher – whereas in Germany they rose by just 8%. Monopolistic price setting is also critical, enabling firms to pass on higher wage costs or imported prices onto domestic prices. Such wage and price divergences are not sustainable within a monetary union where exchange-rate adjustments are no longer possible. But this requires an adjustment from both ends. Wages and prices in Greece and other countries need to fall in relative terms, but they must increase faster in Germany, whose aggressive wage moderation policies are deflationary, export unemployment and threaten to explode the monetary union. This is the only way to rebalance the euro area while avoiding the huge risk of a deflationary spiral.


http://www.social-europe.eu/2010/04/open-letter-to-european-policymakers-the-greek-crisis-is-a-european-crisis-and-needs-european-solutions/


The Euro is now getting hammered. It's mostly reactionary at this point but some are suggesting the collapse of the Eurozone if what's happening in Greece spreads to Spain.

I think there are some similarities comparing Greece and the State of California. Furthermore, I think there are similarities between the Eurozone and the USA (that is to say that I don't believe Floridians will be too happy if the Feds send their tax dollars to bail out Cali).

So, why are some in the US seeming to embrace Western European socialism (for lack of a better term) when we can see what will likely happen? Additionally, we can already see some festering with California Public Employees and it is only a matter of time before the Federal stimulus money runs out and teachers, cops, firemen, city, county, water district and other public employees get either laid off or asked to take big cuts. There is very little growth in the private sector in California so governments can forget about a growth in tax revenue. In addition, the unemployment in Cali is significantly higher than the national average yet the Governator is "full steam ahead" with AB 32 (cap and trade) which some studies have shown job losses to exceed 1,000,000 net. There will be no bail-out from the private sector in California.

Are big govt solutions really the answer?

You are mistifying reality again.

The problem with the Greeks, are the Greeks, having been estimated that 30% of Greeks are corrupt, whereas the problem with the Greek state is also Wall Street. So don't go confusing the theory of the social state with it's practice. Plus the Greek government was scandously given a heavy helping hand from the Wall Street financial banking system to borrow beyond its means for profit,while of course not considering the lethalness of such bad medicine for the Greek State and hence the Greek people who have been mismanaged by the corruption of those in control within the Greek parliament and by the capitalists at Wall Street, who allowed the Greek State through ever creative so-called financial practices to be able to hide it's ever increasing in the black status until the catastrophe was unavoidable as they say. Then the Greek capitalists themselves have generally behaved in a selfish and thoroughly reprehensible manner for the well being of their socialized state programs, by their rampant tax evasion. Something like only 700 citizens within a population declare an income of over 200,000 euro. Whereas the majority of Greeks who make over 100,000 euros a year declare something like a mere 18,000!

It is clear the with so "few" rich and with the mastodontic public sector that Greece has, the bankrupcy of the Greek state was inevitable. Yet it must be said that the hords of Greek public workers of their state making just 1600 euro per month are paying all their taxes which get taken directy out of their paychecks from pay period to pay period. This is why there is an extremely volitile situation in Greece between the Greek proletariate and the Greek parliament, between the Greek proletariate and the Greek capitalists which could explode if something drastic isn't done soon. Many Greeks will have to reconsider the State of course, but I am never happy with the corporate sollution and with the conservative US obsession with the privitazation of everything.

I have already mentioned that socialism today is just a sham, but it isn't because the theory of socialism is bad, rather the corruption of the parliamentaries and the wealthy capitalists living within the social state who hide their wealth from the state. We don't even have a real socialist state today, but a mixture of capitalism-and-socialism. Socialism theoretically is ethically a more humane system than the capitalist system, that, however, needs an ethical society for it to work and thus a mature society willing to contribute their fair share. Neither requirement has been met by those in power and by those generating the majority of wealth in Greece, whereas Wall Street without a care let them by it's financial practices continue along the path of disaster so that while Greece created it's dept, Wall Street allowed it to grow beyond control while supplying the financial means to maintain hidden a disastrous situation until it was no longer possible. This is political and financial problem, for which the social state per say isn't to blame, but how it is practiced and conditioned by capitalism.

If you want a better example of Greece, go to Denmark.
 
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LOL. Truth is better than fiction. The founder of the Family Research Council, one of the most prominent and influential anti-gay organizations in the U.S., was caught traveling in Europe with a male companion he hired from rentboy.com. It is just too funny.

That's some good old fashioned conservative family values for you.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2010-0...r-george-rekers-takes-vacation-with-rent-boy/

In my experience when people villify or are insecure about a particular situation, they are usually the ones engaging in it. Wingnuts are known for this.

It's called self loathing.
 
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Coming from Robert the Muppet that tirade did not surprise me in the least.

You really have to hope that people cannot be born that stupid. It should take long and hard work.

Do you live at Cycling News? Laying on your couch, eating junk food, beer cans piled around your flab, on prozac, living for that next "post," trying to being busy trying to make something of your worthless/useless life? Your just another "wanna be" who never made it as a cyclist so your living your depressing life through the make-believe world of this artificial world. I'd say your addicted to the Internet. What is that, 5020 some posts here? Multiply that times probably 10 other sites that you're obsessively compelled to represent that insatiable, alter-ego of yours, and viola, internet disorder, BigTime, BigDeal. You're BIG alright. Go back to sleep, BigDeal. Your a nobody, a nothing. Try riding your bike for a breath of fresh air. Go out and join some club. Try riding at least once a week. Build it up slowly, loose some of that flab. Be easy on yourself. Enter internet addiction rehab. You obviously have some pain issues. Deep seated emotional ones. What a childhood you must have had! Tirade? LOL. Got off the internet. Make something of your life. Be the man that you've always wanted to be. Time to grow up.

How do you sleep at night? When you're laying there, eyes closed, wondering about what you can say in that next post. Sock it to me, BigDeal, show us what you got. Wipe that grin off your face along with the drool and Post, Post, Post! It's all you do with your life.

Sorry, but sometimes the Truth hurts.
 
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I would suggest that the comparison of Greece to California is a bit misguided. Where exactly was California's 30% increase because of wage setting? And in the absence of that, the economic downturn in California is to be blamed on the government? Um, I don't think so.

As for the plummet of the stock market, sounds like automatic trading because of programs set to sell when specific market parameters were hit caused the death spiral. Heck, the NASDAQ is no honoring sells for a 20 minute period or so around 2:40pm. Sounds to me like automatic gambling is dicey when some dude can trigger a sell-off because he typed in the wrong number. http://blogs.forbes.com/streettalk/2010/05/06/greek-woes-or-traders-mistake-take-your-pick/

Capitalism at its finest. Some a$$hat screws up and your retirement is shot to he!! again.

"the rumor was far more troubling: a trader at a major dealer accidentally entered an order to sell 16 BILLION worth of stock market futures contracts instead of the intended 16 MILLION."

Sounds like maybe we need a reassessment of what we allow with off-track betting if some guy can trigger something like that with the addition of 3 zeroes. Yea, Wall Street needs to be left to play with money as unregulated as possible...

Really?

Ideas about budget deficit
The state budget is based on assumptions about future revenue: According to California's 2004-2005 state finance director Tom Campbell, the source of the long-term problem is that assumptions of future revenue are unreliable, and when they prove wrong, the spending has already been committed.[36]
Productivity drain: According to Devin Nunes, a congressman from California, one source of the problem is that the "entrepreneurs, investment capital and the hardy workers who made it a global leader in agriculture, technological innovation and scientific research" are fleeing the state because it has an unattractive tax and regulatory burden. California has the sixth-highest tax burden in the country.[17]
Significant increases in compensation of state and local government employees: Michael Haley of the Napa Valley Taxpayers Alliance points out that the funds required for the expanded pension and compensation of government employees that began in 2000 "are more than we can ever hope to collect in taxes, even with large tax increases, and it centers around the state’s main expense, employee compensation". Haley also notes that during the Gray Davis tenure, pension promises were unsustainable: "Safety personnel can now retire with 90 percent or more of their highest salaries at age 50, and other employees can retire with 75 percent or more at age 55."[37] Drop in revenue: The immediate source of the short-term problem is that state revenues declined by more than 8 percent from September 2008-December 2008. State Controller John Chiang said on January 16 that unless additional cash is forthcoming "the State will be $346 million in the red at the end of February, and $5.2 billion in the red in April."[38]
Increase in spending: California's state spending has ballooned in the last decade at a rate much higher than the rate of inflation and rate of population growth in the state. According to Tom Campbell, California's finance director in 2004-2005, if the 1999-2000 budget of former California governor Gray Davis had been increased over the next decade by a factor representing the inflation rate and California's population growth in that time, California would now be experiencing a budget surplus, rather than a deficit even with the recent revenue decline due to the state's economic recession.[36] Instead, California has had a 50% spending increase over the past five years.[39]

http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/California_state_budget

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Approximately 85% of the state's 235,000 employees (not including higher education employees) are unionized. As the governor noted during his $83 billion budget roll-out, over the past decade pension costs for public employees increased 2,000%. State revenues increased only 24% over the same period. A Schwarzenegger adviser wrote in the San Jose Mercury News in the past few days that, "This year alone, $3 billion was diverted to pension costs from other programs." There are now more than 15,000 government retirees statewide who receive pensions that exceed $100,000 a year, according to the California Foundation for Fiscal Responsibility.

Many of these retirees are former police officers, firefighters, and prison guards who can retire at age 50 with a pension that equals 90% of their final year's pay. The pensions for these (and all other retirees) increase each year with inflation and are guaranteed by taxpayers forever—regardless of what happens in the economy or whether the state's pensions funds have been fully funded (which they haven't been).

A 2008 state commission pegged California's unfunded pension liability at $63.5 billion, which will be amortized over several decades. That liability, released before the precipitous drop in stock-market and real-estate values, certainly will soar.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703699204575017182296077118.html

And an interesting video here
http://www.californiapensionreform.com/?p=701

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Municipalities around the state are also buckling under massive labor costs. One city, Vallejo, has already filed for bankruptcy to get out from under onerous employee salaries and pension obligations. (To stop other cities from going this route, unions are promoting a new law to make it harder for municipalities to declare bankruptcy.) Other local California governments, big and small, are nearing disaster. The city of Orange, with a budget of just $88 million in 2009, spent $13 million of it on pensions and expects that figure to rise to $23 million in just three years. Contra Costa’s pension costs rose from $70 million in 2000 to $200 million by the end of the decade, producing a budget crisis. Los Angeles, where payroll constitutes nearly half the city’s $7 billion budget, faces budget shortfalls of hundreds of millions of dollars next year, projected to grow to $1 billion annually in several years. In October 2007, even as it was clear that the area’s housing economy was crashing, city officials had handed out 23 percent raises over a five-year period to workers.

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_california-unions.html


The CALPERS pension benefits have increased 2,000% since 1999.

So, you are correct. The comparison to Greece is way off. California is much worse.
 
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You are mistifying reality again.

The problem with the Greeks, are the Greeks, having been estimated that 30% of Greeks are corrupt, whereas the problem with the Greek state is also Wall Street. So don't go confusing the theory of the social state with it's practice. Plus the Greek government was scandously given a heavy helping hand from the Wall Street financial banking system to borrow beyond its means for profit,while of course not considering the lethalness of such bad medicine for the Greek State and hence the Greek people who have been mismanaged by the corruption of those in control within the Greek parliament and by the capitalists at Wall Street, who allowed the Greek State through ever creative so-called financial practices to be able to hide it's ever increasing in the black status until the catastrophe was unavoidable as they say. Then the Greek capitalists themselves have generally behaved in a selfish and thoroughly reprehensible manner for the well being of their socialized state programs, by their rampant tax evasion. Something like only 700 citizens within a population declare an income of over 200,000 euro. Whereas the majority of Greeks who make over 100,000 euros a year declare something like a mere 18,000!

It is clear the with so "few" rich and with the mastodontic public sector that Greece has, the bankrupcy of the Greek state was inevitable. Yet it must be said that the hords of Greek public workers of their state making just 1600 euro per month are paying all their taxes which get taken directy out of their paychecks from pay period to pay period. This is why there is an extremely volitile situation in Greece between the Greek proletariate and the Greek parliament, between the Greek proletariate and the Greek capitalists which could explode if something drastic isn't done soon. Many Greeks will have to reconsider the State of course, but I am never happy with the corporate sollution and with the conservative US obsession with the privitazation of everything.

I have already mentioned that socialism today is just a sham, but it isn't because the theory of socialism is bad, rather the corruption of the parliamentaries and the wealthy capitalists living within the social state who hide their wealth from the state. We don't even have a real socialist state today, but a mixture of capitalism-and-socialism. Socialism theoretically is ethically a more humane system than the capitalist system, that, however, needs an ethical society for it to work and thus a mature society willing to contribute their fair share. Neither requirement has been met by those in power and by those generating the majority of wealth in Greece, whereas Wall Street without a care let them by it's financial practices continue along the path of disaster so that while Greece created it's dept, Wall Street allowed it to grow beyond control while supplying the financial means to maintain hidden a disastrous situation until it was no longer possible. This is political and financial problem, for which the social state per say isn't to blame, but how it is practiced and conditioned by capitalism.

If you want a better example of Greece, go to Denmark.

Your opinion, I take it? Some pretty smart folks in the Eurozone disagree with your position. Oh, and they have the facts on their side, so there's that.

You may want to read an often praised (on this forum anyways) Nobel Prize winning economist's column in today's NY Times.

"Consider the often-made comparison between Greece and the state of California. Both are in deep fiscal trouble, both have a history of fiscal irresponsibility. And the political deadlock in California is, if anything, worse — after all, despite the demonstrations, Greece’s Parliament has, in fact, approved harsh austerity measures.

But California’s fiscal woes just don’t matter as much, even to its own residents, as those of Greece. Why? Because much of the money spent in California comes from Washington, not Sacramento. State funding may be slashed, but Medicare reimbursements, Social Security checks, and payments to defense contractors will keep on coming."

"So how does this end? Logically, I see three ways Greece could stay on the euro.

First, Greek workers could redeem themselves through suffering, accepting large wage cuts that make Greece competitive enough to add jobs again. Second, the European Central Bank could engage in much more expansionary policy, among other things buying lots of government debt, and accepting — indeed welcoming — the resulting inflation; this would make adjustment in Greece and other troubled euro-zone nations much easier. Or third, Berlin could become to Athens what Washington is to Sacramento — that is, fiscally stronger European governments could offer their weaker neighbors enough aid to make the crisis bearable."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/opinion/07krugman.html?ref=todayspaper


Greece and California kind of illustrate runnaway govt at it's finest, don't you think?
 
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Wow, it was sure nice of Robert to poke his head back in here and spout off with all the best right wing talking points of the KKK.
Hearing from him today was like a breath of fresh ass.
When I first joined this forum I thought you guys picked on him more than he deserved, but he is a first class moron.
 

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I think the lunch futures may be the ticket.

If I had any balls I would walk away from this unsatisfactory fat *** company. Do it on my own type ****. But my balls shrink up when I think about it. Such risk such ....risk. My daughter is 4 and I want her to have something before the end of the world in 2012. :eek:

Why in hell are you having kids when you're in your 50's?:confused:
 

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Someone say Obama? You mean that Long Legged Mack Daddy?

America got exactly what it deserved. And if most Americans weren't so Dumbed down, obese, drugged out, complacent, up to their eyeballs in debt, preoccupied with food and entertainment, unhealthy, and plan stupid, they might see Obama as the Fraud and Liar he is.

Here's a guy who was born in Kenya, raised as a muslim and hates America and everything it stands for. Didn't go to college or at least finish college. Has no records that can be found regarding his past. Swore, excuse me, promised he'd get the troops home if elected. Does drugs and questionable sexual activities with members of the same sex. Can't say a complete sentence with out his telepromter. Has slashed the U.S. Constitution to shreds.

He's scum, that's a fact. Any body disagrees with that:

You can chew on this.


You really shouldn't be distracted by the internet while you're making bombs.
 
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Really?

Ideas about budget deficit
The state budget is based on assumptions about future revenue: According to California's 2004-2005 state finance director Tom Campbell, the source of the long-term problem is that assumptions of future revenue are unreliable, and when they prove wrong, the spending has already been committed.[36]
Productivity drain: According to Devin Nunes, a congressman from California, one source of the problem is that the "entrepreneurs, investment capital and the hardy workers who made it a global leader in agriculture, technological innovation and scientific research" are fleeing the state because it has an unattractive tax and regulatory burden. California has the sixth-highest tax burden in the country.[17]
Significant increases in compensation of state and local government employees: Michael Haley of the Napa Valley Taxpayers Alliance points out that the funds required for the expanded pension and compensation of government employees that began in 2000 "are more than we can ever hope to collect in taxes, even with large tax increases, and it centers around the state’s main expense, employee compensation". Haley also notes that during the Gray Davis tenure, pension promises were unsustainable: "Safety personnel can now retire with 90 percent or more of their highest salaries at age 50, and other employees can retire with 75 percent or more at age 55."[37] Drop in revenue: The immediate source of the short-term problem is that state revenues declined by more than 8 percent from September 2008-December 2008. State Controller John Chiang said on January 16 that unless additional cash is forthcoming "the State will be $346 million in the red at the end of February, and $5.2 billion in the red in April."[38]
Increase in spending: California's state spending has ballooned in the last decade at a rate much higher than the rate of inflation and rate of population growth in the state. According to Tom Campbell, California's finance director in 2004-2005, if the 1999-2000 budget of former California governor Gray Davis had been increased over the next decade by a factor representing the inflation rate and California's population growth in that time, California would now be experiencing a budget surplus, rather than a deficit even with the recent revenue decline due to the state's economic recession.[36] Instead, California has had a 50% spending increase over the past five years.[39]

http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/California_state_budget

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Approximately 85% of the state's 235,000 employees (not including higher education employees) are unionized. As the governor noted during his $83 billion budget roll-out, over the past decade pension costs for public employees increased 2,000%. State revenues increased only 24% over the same period. A Schwarzenegger adviser wrote in the San Jose Mercury News in the past few days that, "This year alone, $3 billion was diverted to pension costs from other programs." There are now more than 15,000 government retirees statewide who receive pensions that exceed $100,000 a year, according to the California Foundation for Fiscal Responsibility.

Many of these retirees are former police officers, firefighters, and prison guards who can retire at age 50 with a pension that equals 90% of their final year's pay. The pensions for these (and all other retirees) increase each year with inflation and are guaranteed by taxpayers forever—regardless of what happens in the economy or whether the state's pensions funds have been fully funded (which they haven't been).

A 2008 state commission pegged California's unfunded pension liability at $63.5 billion, which will be amortized over several decades. That liability, released before the precipitous drop in stock-market and real-estate values, certainly will soar.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703699204575017182296077118.html

And an interesting video here
http://www.californiapensionreform.com/?p=701

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Municipalities around the state are also buckling under massive labor costs. One city, Vallejo, has already filed for bankruptcy to get out from under onerous employee salaries and pension obligations. (To stop other cities from going this route, unions are promoting a new law to make it harder for municipalities to declare bankruptcy.) Other local California governments, big and small, are nearing disaster. The city of Orange, with a budget of just $88 million in 2009, spent $13 million of it on pensions and expects that figure to rise to $23 million in just three years. Contra Costa’s pension costs rose from $70 million in 2000 to $200 million by the end of the decade, producing a budget crisis. Los Angeles, where payroll constitutes nearly half the city’s $7 billion budget, faces budget shortfalls of hundreds of millions of dollars next year, projected to grow to $1 billion annually in several years. In October 2007, even as it was clear that the area’s housing economy was crashing, city officials had handed out 23 percent raises over a five-year period to workers.

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_california-unions.html


The CALPERS pension benefits have increased 2,000% since 1999.

So, you are correct. The comparison to Greece is way off. California is much worse.

Yea, cause none of that tax problem has to do with the requirements of raising taxes in your state...

Sorry, but your state budget process is facacta, and blaming your problems solely on pensions is ridiculous and you know it. Look at your sources there and tell me how exactly they are unbiased reviews of the shortfall.

I still submit that your comparison of California to Greece is poor, and done for political points and not to honestly assess the problem. I also note that you avoided the subject of the real cause of the market spiral yesterday, and is wasn't a failure in Greece, it was centered on a street in NY City that has the largest casino in the world.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
Wow, it was sure nice of Robert to poke his head back in here and spout off with all the best right wing talking points of the KKK.
Hearing from him today was like a breath of fresh ass.
When I first joined this forum I thought you guys picked on him more than he deserved, but he is a first class moron.

Yea, that is a special kinda crazy. And what is it with the short bus brigade and their belief that only they ride bikes? I have never seen a bike rack on a short bus before, but Robert's evidently has one.
 

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Yea, that is a special kinda crazy. And what is it with the short bus brigade and their belief that only they ride bikes? I have never seen a bike rack on a short bus before, but Robert's evidently has one.

He can explain it to you.

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Buckbeat my brother you should have a field day as summer sets in more bike riding for the herd and more research on your part. These shaved leg rubes will be easy pickins' for your intellect. You are probably trying get the foam off your lips as you think of the seasonal feeding frenzy you are immersed in. Don't get a bike or your debate flesh rewards will surely go down. Your DNA will reveal the always right gene
 
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Yea, cause none of that tax problem has to do with the requirements of raising taxes in your state...

Sorry, but your state budget process is facacta, and blaming your problems solely on pensions is ridiculous and you know it. Look at your sources there and tell me how exactly they are unbiased reviews of the shortfall.


I still submit that your comparison of California to Greece is poor, and done for political points and not to honestly assess the problem. I also note that you avoided the subject of the real cause of the market spiral yesterday, and is wasn't a failure in Greece, it was centered on a street in NY City that has the largest casino in the world.

Well you are just wrong. The super majority needed to raise taxes is a ballot measure approved by the most liberal voters in the USA. We already carry the 6th or 7th largest tax burden in the country so don't pretend that the problems in California are anything other than spending. In addition, the flight of industry from California is there for everone to see and will only be worse with AB 32. BTW, Krugman thinks there are many similarities between Greece and California. I don't normally agree with him but I think he's correct with this comparison.

Unbiased views? Google: California Public Employee Pension Costs.

I wasn't speaking entirely of the typo causing the plunge, but more generally of how Wall St is reacting to fears of not just Greece, but what looks to be similar problems in Portugal, Spain and, to a lesser degree, Italy.
 
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Well you are just wrong. The super majority needed to raise taxes is a ballot measure approved by the most liberal voters in the USA. We already carry the 6th or 7th largest tax burden in the country so don't pretend that the problems in California are anything other than spending. In addition, the flight of industry from California is there for everone to see and will only be worse with AB 32. BTW, Krugman thinks there are many similarities between Greece and California. I don't normally agree with him but I think he's correct with this comparison.

Unbiased views? Google: California Public Employee Pension Costs.

I wasn't speaking entirely of the typo causing the plunge, but more generally of how Wall St is reacting to fears of not just Greece, but what looks to be similar problems in Portugal, Spain and, to a lesser degree, Italy.

No, the problem with California is the deficit between spending (which is desired by those same citizens who vote) and revenue (a screwed up system voted in by the same voters). This is where I just have to slap my hand on my head with people. YOU elect your politicians, and enact ballot measures that screw with the process, but it is all government's fault because you are not part of government according to the dictates of Republican rhetoric. Just as with Obama and Health Care reform, if all of those people who voted for him and then railed against health care reform had ACTUALLY LISTENED to him, he mentioned that it was a priority of his.

Government is YOU. Republicans would rather deny this FACT so that the party of "personal responsibility" never actually has to take any. Its easier to sling rocks at perceived Goliaths and hang tea bags from your hats.
 
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Wow, it was sure nice of Robert to poke his head back in here and spout off with all the best right wing talking points of the KKK.
Hearing from him today was like a breath of fresh ass.
When I first joined this forum I thought you guys picked on him more than he deserved, but he is a first class moron.

It's pretty easy to pick out the crazies. They have a certain posting style and steadfast refusal to acknowledge basic facts that the rest of us take for granted that gives a big clue to their state of mind. That Robert the Muppet is a vile bigot who is undoubtedly a charter member of the Teabagging movement is expected. He appears to have invented some theories that are extreme even for the loons he hangs out with. Obama did not go to college or finish college? That is a new one.

I sincerely hope that no "off-white" people live near this douche. The constant cross burnings on their lawn would have to get annoying. On the other hand, he is probably propping up the local economy with his white sheet purchases, so maybe it's not so bad.
 
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No, the problem with California is the deficit between spending (which is desired by those same citizens who vote) and revenue (a screwed up system voted in by the same voters). This is where I just have to slap my hand on my head with people. YOU elect your politicians, and enact ballot measures that screw with the process, but it is all government's fault because you are not part of government according to the dictates of Republican rhetoric. Just as with Obama and Health Care reform, if all of those people who voted for him and then railed against health care reform had ACTUALLY LISTENED to him, he mentioned that it was a priority of his.

Government is YOU. Republicans would rather deny this FACT so that the party of "personal responsibility" never actually has to take any. Its easier to sling rocks at perceived Goliaths and hang tea bags from your hats.

I don't remember voting for a 2,000% pension benefit increase for CALPERS beneficiaries. I voted for Arnold. What was the viable alternative? His signature and endorsement of AB 32 will be what he's remembered for and it won't be flattering. In case you don't know, the legislature in California has been in the hands of Dems for a generation or so. I didn't vote for them. BTW, when elected officials spend the govt into oblivion (which is generally not a campaign promise, Obama notwithstanding) then shirk their responsibility to clean up the God-Awful mess... You're quick to point the finger at Wall St. (which is deserved), why the reluctance to admonish those in govt (State or Federal)? Who is really at fault here?
 
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