World Politics

[TRDean]

Uh, considering that congress is a law making body... Also, lawyers are actual people, so their experience in life is far more vast than just "roberts rules of order." Your statement is quite ignorant, but then again, going for the easy target requires little actual thought.

Ahhh yes, life experience...such a great thing. Must have hit a nerve there eh? The only reason they are an easy target is because they set themselves up to be. But hey, if your argument is simply to attack me as a thoughtless ignorant...my point has been made. No need to converse with you.

 

[Anonymous]

Ahhh yes, life experience...such a great thing. Must have hit a nerve there eh? The only reason they are an easy target is because they set themselves up to be. But hey, if your argument is simply to attack me as a thoughtless ignorant...my point has been made. No need to converse with you.

You make a blanket statement about an entire group of people and then whine about someone calling you on the ignorance of it. You're right, no need to converse indeed.

Hey, ever consider that an attorney might actually have to understand the legal ramifications of complex contracts ALONG WITH the differing business interests involved? There are thousands of such questions I could ask. Did you ever ask yourself any of these? Don't answer, its obvious...

EDIT: People like you make statements like that because you have little to no understanding of the incredible variety of issues and specializations in the legal field. You just know that some chase ambulances, and think that's all they do. You know who I hate? I hate people who (fill in the blank with your profession), because they (fill in the blank with some ignorant statement that shows only a cursory understanding of your profession).

 

[TRDean]

as I said I don't know the answer. I do know that every American should be cared for cradle to grave with the amount of money we generate. Health care also needs to be transportable. The guy who runs the local ice cream place,coffee shop or bike shop should not have to work in @400-800 for an indv health coverage into the cost of their goods and services.

If you fell off your bicycle and cracked your eye socket and have an eye and ear/hearing condition that will never go away (if you want specifics) You should not have to 1125.00 per month (down from 1500) for health care. And a person under 40 that doesn't smoke and socially drinks should not be counted as a high risk person to ensure. AnyCare private/government/combination, whatever. You should be able to health care period..and it shouldn't cost 75% of your income.

If you are mad at Obama, I get that. But please spell out health care for a 21 year old, going to school, busing tables or turning a wrench at the LBS. If the guy is making 8 or 10 bucks an hour how can he afford, after taxes 4-500 bucks a month? We just need healthcare..yes , will take it from PETA,NOW, Tea party, Dems, Gop anybody just f -cking get it.

Very well said...enough inaction all around. Problem is (and it is seen on this board every day) nobody gives a **** what anyone else thinks. There is no meeting half way...to make it better for everyone, whatever that may be. Lots of "your thoughtless, ignorant, you just don't get it" comments in here. Looks to me like people are just like politicians...my way or the highway...and there is no highway option. Even the "enlightened" don't seem to have any capacity to compromise. For instance, I am not for universal health care at all...but am definitely willing to take more of my salary (in taxes) for all children under the age of 21 to have health insurance. There is lots of bickering all the time...but no real solutions. EVERYBODY wants some change, but NOBODY is willing to be in a group that suffers a little to get that change...hence no change. These are just my thoughts...not intended to instigate in any way.

My take on education is not to throw money at the problem...that does not work. The problem is also not the quality of the teachers. I see the problem that too many families do not care about the education or lack of education their kids get...hence kids do poorly. Clearly, there are problems in certain areas of the country, where the actual education system is broken, but by and large the system works fine for parents/caregivers who actually care for their kids to receive an education. I'd love to hear others opinions about this situation...

Lastly, I think for most issues that the country (USA) is facing, there is definitely more than one possibility or solution that could work...Only the future holds the answers...

 

[Semper Fidelis]

8 years of your silence and now you want change NOW..unburn my house down.

My silence? No idea what your talking about. I am not burning nothing down.

This just in.......President Obama continues to do Nothing.

 

[Anonymous]

Very well said...enough inaction all around. Problem is (and it is seen on this board every day) nobody gives a **** what anyone else thinks. There is no meeting half way...to make it better for everyone, whatever that may be. Lots of "your thoughtless, ignorant, you just don't get it" comments in here. Looks to me like people are just like politicians...my way or the highway...and there is no highway option. Even the "enlightened" don't seem to have any capacity to compromise. For instance, I am not for universal health care at all...but am definitely willing to take more of my salary (in taxes) for all children under the age of 21 to have health insurance. There is lots of bickering all the time...but no real solutions. EVERYBODY wants some change, but NOBODY is willing to be in a group that suffers a little to get that change...hence no change. These are just my thoughts...not intended to instigate in any way.

My take on education is not to throw money at the problem...that does not work. The problem is also not the quality of the teachers. I see the problem that too many families do not care about the education or lack of education their kids get...hence kids do poorly. Clearly, there are problems in certain areas of the country, where the actual education system is broken, but by and large the system works fine for parents/caregivers who actually care for their kids to receive an education. I'd love to hear others opinions about this situation...

Lastly, I think for most issues that the country (USA) is facing, there is definitely more than one possibility or solution that could work...Only the future holds the answers...

What a whiny little wussy. Awwweee, you come in and disparage an entire profession and gwet wyour feewings hwort bcwause somewone was mean to wyou...bwetter cwall mwommy.

 

[TRDean]

You make a blanket statement about an entire group of people and then whine about someone calling you on the ignorance of it. You're right, no need to converse indeed.

Hey, ever consider that an attorney might actually have to understand the legal ramifications of complex contracts ALONG WITH the differing business interests involved? There are thousands of such questions I could ask. Did you ever ask yourself any of these? Don't answer, its obvious...

EDIT: People like you make statements like that because you have little to no understanding of the incredible variety of issues and specializations in the legal field. You just know that some chase ambulances, and think that's all they do. You know who I hate? I hate people who (fill in the blank with your profession), because they (fill in the blank with some ignorant statement that shows only a cursory understanding of your profession).

Never said a darn thing about ambulance chasers or the such...don't put words in my mouth...Sure lawyers are great a "LAW" but let me ask you why so many government organizations are run by lawyers...until recently the EPA was headed by a lawyer...that is what I'm talking about. Sure there are great lawyers in all the different law fields...never said there wasn't...but too many have proliferated into "public office".

By the way, I'm a biochemist, but I don't see biochemists injecting themselves into every facet of politics...

Ambulance chasing...really? HAHA Except for maybe John Edwards!

 

[TRDean]

What a whiny little wussy. Awwweee, you come in and disparage an entire profession and gwet wyour feewings hwort bcwause somewone was mean to wyou...bwetter cwall mwommy.

Wussy...not hardly...feelings not hurt at all. You make me laugh such a sensitive boy!

 

[TRDean]

Lets talk about blanket statements for a minute...whether it be "Tea Party" or "Libtards" or whatever...all have been made here in the past...so don't get all self rightous just because you are a lawyer...please! You say I'm a wussy...yet you are the one with skin so thin you are transparent.

 

[Anonymous]

Never said a darn thing about ambulance chasers or the such...don't put words in my mouth...Sure lawyers are great a "LAW" but let me ask you why so many government organizations are run by lawyers...until recently the EPA was headed by a lawyer...that is what I'm talking about. Sure there are great lawyers in all the different law fields...never said there wasn't...but too many have proliferated into "public office".

By the way, I'm a biochemist, but I don't see biochemists injecting themselves into every facet of politics...

Ambulance chasing...really? HAHA Except for maybe John Edwards!

Read Articles I, II, and III of the Constitution and see if you can be a big boy and come up with the answer yourself. Its right there in plain English. I would assume a biochemist could read well enough to pick it up pretty quickly, but if you need help, message me and I will try to steer you in the right direction...

I'm not sensitive, I'm deliberately caustic. I also call a spade a spade. Spade.

Hey everyone, look out, there's a biochemist here who knows everything about everything. If you need an opinion on anything based on his schooling in biochemistry, he will surely tell you. Stand back though because biochemists think hard and know stuff they don't know, and that causes friction, which causes heat, which can start a fire...

 

[Anonymous]

Yep. Can you imagine those two running or on a ticket together? Yikes...

I'm pretty sure BO is a bright guy but he continues to make some horrendous policy moves... which makes me wonder what his plan is (or more likely a lack of a plan).

Having a law degree with zero business sense gives us what we have: A idealogue who hasn't a clue what he's doing.

Using your family's money to buy oil related businesses and baseball teams didn't really give the guy who left us holding this bag that much business acumen either. I mean, his administration was filled with business people, and you will have to excuse me if I fail to see how their reign was demonstrably better than our current administration. Call me crazy.

(I recognize that this is a political argument, and as such requires a certain amount of hyperbole on both sides)

 

[fatandfast]

I remember reading What They Don't Teach You At Harvard Business School. There is a story about conventional wisdom and how it's is in short supply and hard to get.
The story goes something like 2 guys don't see each other since high school and meet by chance in an airport. They chat for a few minutes and ask the condition of each others lives. Both men are doing great,good families,health and both are very wealthy. 1 man has a has a PhD in some science and has made lots of loot after 12 years of school and many more of hard work. He asks the other guy how he made his millions..the guy explains he buys paper clips for a penny and sells them for 2 cents.

No matter who fixes health care and by doing so the economy it may come from somebody outside the box. Maybe a Nobel winner or a guy in a double wide. As we compete on a playing field where we are biching about a living wage and 1st world standards, our competition is working for pennies, long hours, dangerous conditions and ruining every part of the environment. We probably should pause and ask if the price of the competition is worth it. No matter where you stand it doesn't make you a wussy.

I don't think lots of the Euros and Aussies reading this stuff know how many billions are spent on medicine ads in the US. Magazines,TV, radio all over the place getting us to buy or ask our Dr. to write a script for a BS drug that does little to nothing for 1000's of dollars per year. You can't watch an hour of TV without seeing ads for drugs multiple times. Those pharmo guys are part of the well funded army keeping our non functional system in place.

If we can't get medical care for sick people thats bad. Maybe we should settle on the small step of banning drug advertisements and all the additional costs they add to our system

 

[The Hitch]

IMaybe a Nobel winner

If you are reffering to Obama, (and i get that you might not be), as far as im concerned the annual Scandinavian "which political celebrity do we like best" award, is a far cry from the real prizes given accross the border for things like saving mankind and what not.

 

[Anonymous]

Using your family's money to buy oil related businesses and baseball teams didn't really give the guy who left us holding this bag that much business acumen either. I mean, his administration was filled with business people, and you will have to excuse me if I fail to see how their reign was demonstrably better than our current administration. Call me crazy.

(I recognize that this is a political argument, and as such requires a certain amount of hyperbole on both sides)

I think one of the few things Bush got right was tax policy. Beyond that, not much to brag about.

And you are correct. The Bush team made false steps all along the way (new entitlements... prescription drugs for seniors as an example).

However, BO's resume impresses you. I'm just wondering why somebody this smart does so many (seemingly) idotic things... especially stuff like re-starting military tribunals at Gitmo after just excoriating the previous admin. Or the Afghanistan policy. Or the monetary policy. Or misrepresenting Obamacare. Or talking about fiscal responsibility by spending money at a rate that is unrecoverable.

Is he just really (foolishly) optimistic or is there something else going on here?

 

[Anonymous]

However, BO's resume impresses you. I'm just wondering why somebody this smart does so many (seemingly) idotic things... especially stuff like re-starting military tribunals at Gitmo after just excoriating the previous admin.

You guys should be happy he came to the dark side, but you are hammering him on it. Hey, he saw it your way (not mine). How is that idiotic? People change their mind, and to suggest that every president is as ready to handle the difficulties of foreign policy from day one is ridiculous. In fact, I would like to see one of these business moguls come in and get a taste of foreign policy. See, just because you were a CEO and expect to be treated like one by everyone else does not mean they will. In fact, they are very likely to treat you like the blowhard windbag many of that type are. Foreign policy has to take into account that in most countries, you are dealing with either corrupt governments, or professional politicians too. They don't play the corporate game. Their game is a completely different thing, and it is laughable to believe CEO types could grasp the concepts because they ran a business. In fact, Bush is a prime example of just how badly you can do with that mindset. I mean, his foreign policy blunders are quite infamous.

Or the Afghanistan policy.

He follows the policy that he will listen to his generals, and that is a problem? Afghanistan is a clusterfu*k and has been for anyone who went in ad infinitum. The Bush administration are the ones saying they weren't going to be nation builders. They are the ones who allowed a corrupt friend to take the helm (and if you think it didn't have to do with a pipeline, you need to read up on the subject), and this carried over to Obama. How is it again that he screwed up?

Or the monetary policy.

Seriously? You guys were screaming from the rooftops that Quantitative Easing was the end of mankind. That was countered by people that told you that you didn't know what you were talking about, and so far, you didn't know what you are talking about. Monetary policy is a long run, and all of the consequences are not yet apparent, however, you guys act like Quantitative Easing is an infinite policy, and it isn't. The sky isn't falling in case you haven't noticed.

Or misrepresenting Obamacare.

The only people he misrepresented his health care reform to were people like me. I will find the video of him talking about single payer as a candidate (on multiple occasions). The only people who were fooled were people who were living under a rock...or those who being willfully dishonest about what went on.

Or talking about fiscal responsibility by spending money at a rate that is unrecoverable.

Yea, because we never recovered from the Great Depression...where we had an even higher debt to GDP ratio. Again, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling"

Is he just really (foolishly) optimistic or is there something else going on here?

He is just rowing the boat now, but that boat was put in on a river not of his choosing. B!tching at the new captain from day one is fun for the political sport, but the reality is a bit different.

However, do note that from day one of the next Republican president's term, he will get no mercy. None.

Heard a great joke: What will they call Newt's wife if he becomes president? The 3rd Lady BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAH! I love it.

 

[redtreviso]

Using your family's money to buy oil related businesses and baseball teams didn't really give the guy who left us holding this bag that much business acumen either. I mean, his administration was filled with business people, and you will have to excuse me if I fail to see how their reign was demonstrably better than our current administration. Call me crazy.

(I recognize that this is a political argument, and as such requires a certain amount of hyperbole on both sides)

Drunkboy Bush never bought anything..He was just given stuff to curry favor with his daddy.

 

[Anonymous]

You guys should be happy he came to the dark side, but you are hammering him on it. Hey, he saw it your way (not mine). How is that idiotic? People change their mind, and to suggest that every president is as ready to handle the difficulties of foreign policy from day one is ridiculous. In fact, I would like to see one of these business moguls come in and get a taste of foreign policy. See, just because you were a CEO and expect to be treated like one by everyone else does not mean they will. In fact, they are very likely to treat you like the blowhard windbag many of that type are. Foreign policy has to take into account that in most countries, you are dealing with either corrupt governments, or professional politicians too. They don't play the corporate game. Their game is a completely different thing, and it is laughable to believe CEO types could grasp the concepts because they ran a business. In fact, Bush is a prime example of just how badly you can do with that mindset. I mean, his foreign policy blunders are quite infamous.



He follows the policy that he will listen to his generals, and that is a problem? Afghanistan is a clusterfu*k and has been for anyone who went in ad infinitum. The Bush administration are the ones saying they weren't going to be nation builders. They are the ones who allowed a corrupt friend to take the helm (and if you think it didn't have to do with a pipeline, you need to read up on the subject), and this carried over to Obama. How is it again that he screwed up?




Seriously? You guys were screaming from the rooftops that Quantitative Easing was the end of mankind. That was countered by people that told you that you didn't know what you were talking about, and so far, you didn't know what you are talking about. Monetary policy is a long run, and all of the consequences are not yet apparent, however, you guys act like Quantitative Easing is an infinite policy, and it isn't. The sky isn't falling in case you haven't noticed.




The only people he misrepresented his health care reform to were people like me. I will find the video of him talking about single payer as a candidate (on multiple occasions). The only people who were fooled were people who were living under a rock...or those who being willfully dishonest about what went on.



Yea, because we never recovered from the Great Depression...where we had an even higher debt to GDP ratio. Again, "the sky is falling, the sky is falling"



He is just rowing the boat now, but that boat was put in on a river not of his choosing. B!tching at the new captain from day one is fun for the political sport, but the reality is a bit different.

However, do note that from day one of the next Republican president's term, he will get no mercy. None.

Heard a great joke: What will they call Newt's wife if he becomes president? The 3rd Lady BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAH! I love it.

I think the military court is the correct place to carry out justice for the enemy combatants. I'm wondering if there is going to be outrage from the left hurled at BO. I'm guessing not and I'm also guessing the left is not intellectually honest enough to realize BO's policy is now no different (or only very slightly different) than that Bush or (gasp) Cheney.

As for Afghanistan, I'm wonder why the left has not villified BO for his policy there. I'm not sure I heard BO being called a warmonger just yet. Maybe I missed it.

Monetizing the debt might be a thumb in the eye of the Chinese but will certainly have long term ramifications. If a refrigerator costs 15% more two years from now one of the reasons will be directly attributable to value of the currency.

I have always had the impression you have as much distaste for corruption as I do. Are you really saying the clip showing Sebelius caught in a half trillion dollar lie does not bother you?

I will grant you BO was dealt a poor hand, economically speaking. But that is the primary reason he was elected and the guy has literally laid an egg.

Dude, what mercy was Reagan afforded? Bush the elder? Clinton? GWB? If one is looking for mercy by becoming President then I think there will be some serious disappointment in store.

 

[Anonymous]

Drunkboy Bush never bought anything..He was just given stuff to curry favor with his daddy.

Hmmm... Your description would be more accurate if you were talking about Teddy Kennedy.

 

[redtreviso]

Hmmm... Your description would be more accurate if you were talking about Teddy Kennedy.

No it wouldn't Richard.. Bush being talked about as CEO material turned political leader is the topic..Richard..

 

[redtreviso]

Here's a quote

not sure who said it..

"""We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their right to strike" ""

 

[Semper Fidelis]

No it wouldn't Richard.. Bush being talked about as CEO material turned political leader is the topic..Richard..

Not since you turned it into a drunk topic. In that case our boy Ted fits the bill. He was the biggest jackass drunk to play washington. Then again maybe he drank because he was never going to be president after he killed that poor girl?

 

[redtreviso]

Not since you turned it into a drunk topic. In that case our boy Ted fits the bill. He was the biggest jackass drunk to play washington. Then again maybe he drank because he was never going to be president after he killed that poor girl?

or then again ..having 2 brothers assassinated might cause one to drink. Ted was never president, but bush is a drunk and is worshiped by other drunks and dittoheads..

 

[patricknd]

or then again ..having 2 brothers assassinated might cause one to drink. Ted was never president, but bush is a drunk and is worshiped by other drunks and dittoheads..

Yeah that's what happened. Did it make him cheat on that Spanish test, too?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

or then again ..having 2 brothers assassinated might cause one to drink. Ted was never president, but bush is a drunk and is worshiped by other drunks and dittoheads..

Are you trying to say Scott is a drunk? That is over the line mannnnn this aggression will not stand mannnn. Those dittoheads...is that the folks like you who quote the false idol all the time?

 

[redtreviso]

Are you trying to say Scott is a drunk? That is over the line mannnnn this aggression will not stand mannnn. Those dittoheads...is that the folks like you who quote the false idol all the time?

Yes scott is most likely a drunk.. and proud of it..kinda goes with being a proud republican. being proud to be a richard..try always to be a richard..work at it their whole lives to be a richard.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Come on guys, I know this is a pretty open forum, but let's lay off the blather about drunkenness and who's going to lead the way to hell, etc.