World Politics

[Hugh Januss]

********* starts with an A ends in a C... There are places that can help though.

The word that I had tried to use started with a d and ended with an e and had an ouch in the middle.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I did not realize you were that delicate.

I withdraw that characterization. I will restate... "dependent on the public largess".

How about the point? Has govt become too large in your view?

Any society that is worth living in is just that a society. The ultimate development of what you are in favor of is a place where those who can afford it wall in their compounds and set armed guards to keep the unwashed poor from trying to steal any of what is theirs. The rest slowly starve.

To answer your question. No government has not become too large it has become too beholden to the tiny population of the ultra rich who with full misguided support from that government are taking an ever larger share of the wealth.

 

[redtreviso]

Scotty's "drunk like me" alfalfanator... thanks Scott

We should listen to your opinions on everything..

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Can't believe anyone thinks that teachers are "feeding at the public trough". To me that implies that public education should be eliminated in entirety. Or that teachers wages and benefits should be massively cut because they have it very easy.

Last I heard NPR's budget was only 2% federally funded. Should it be zero? I don't think so, but some may. But this is hardly feeding at the public trough.

With this logic people on Medicare and Medicaid are feeding at the public trough as well. Perhaps we should shut down all nursing homes, make those people take care of themselves so I can pay a little less in taxes.

It's already a sad world when people have to go to prison to get health care, while some people continue to make more money than they could possibly ever spend. What's next?

 

[redtreviso]

Can't believe anyone thinks that teachers are "feeding at the public trough". To me that implies that public education should be eliminated in entirety. Or that teachers wages and benefits should be massively cut because they have it very easy.

Last I heard NPR's budget was only 2% federally funded. Should it be zero? I don't think so, but some may. But this is hardly feeding at the public trough.

With this logic people on Medicare and Medicaid are feeding at the public trough as well. Perhaps we should shut down all nursing homes, make those people take care of themselves so I can pay a little less in taxes.

It's already a sad world when people have to go to prison to get health care, while some people continue to make more money than they could possibly ever spend. What's next?

Scott should turn down customers or clients his business has that feed at the public trough...He wouldn't want someone to say he scarfs there too by proxy now would he???????

 

[Anonymous]

unlike you who only transverses the world through your very own efforts.

Kinda like a bike ride, eh?

 

[Anonymous]

The word that I had tried to use started with a d and ended with an e and had an ouch in the middle.

So, I characterize those whose livelihoods are derived from tax dollars as feeding from the public trough. My father is a retired public servant and that's how he refers to public servants (point being is not everyone is wearing their feelings on their sleeve).

Your sensibilities are bruised and then you turn around and 'essentially' call me a d****. Cool..., I mean

 

[Anonymous]

Any society that is worth living in is just that a society. The ultimate development of what you are in favor of is a place where those who can afford it wall in their compounds and set armed guards to keep the unwashed poor from trying to steal any of what is theirs. The rest slowly starve.

To answer your question. No government has not become too large it has become too beholden to the tiny population of the ultra rich who with full misguided support from that government are taking an ever larger share of the wealth.

Any society that is worth living in is just that a society. The ultimate development of what you are in favor of is a place where those who can afford it wall in their compounds and set armed guards to keep the unwashed poor from trying to steal any of what is theirs. The rest slowly starve.

You've made the accusation before. It was BS then it's BS now.

No government has not become too large

I guessed this might be your position. You are getting your way, BTW. This government is not getting smaller and, until collapse, never will.

 

[redtreviso]

Kinda like a bike ride, eh?

my bike rides are much better when the glass gets swept up by a city owned and taxpayer financed street sweeper every once in a while.

 

[Anonymous]

Can't believe anyone thinks that teachers are "feeding at the public trough". To me that implies that public education should be eliminated in entirety. Or that teachers wages and benefits should be massively cut because they have it very easy.

Last I heard NPR's budget was only 2% federally funded. Should it be zero? I don't think so, but some may. But this is hardly feeding at the public trough.

With this logic people on Medicare and Medicaid are feeding at the public trough as well. Perhaps we should shut down all nursing homes, make those people take care of themselves so I can pay a little less in taxes.

It's already a sad world when people have to go to prison to get health care, while some people continue to make more money than they could possibly ever spend. What's next?

Can't believe anyone thinks that teachers are "feeding at the public trough". To me that implies that public education should be eliminated in entirety. Or that teachers wages and benefits should be massively cut because they have it very easy.

You are entitled to interpret that euphemism any way you like. I don't know how you get to your conclusion (don't care either) but I'm quite sure you know your conclusion is not a position I hold. I've stated my position on education many times on/in this thread.... for the record (again) I think public education should have to compete for students in a marketplace where quality education is the outcome... not the goal. There will be teachers (in a system that I'd advocate) both public and private and they will be well compensated based on their merit. Kind of like how the rest of the world works.

With this logic people on Medicare and Medicaid are feeding at the public trough as well. Perhaps we should shut down all nursing homes, make those people take care of themselves so I can pay a little less in taxes.

Anyone receiving any public benefit is at some level feeding at the public trough. I take a deduction on my taxes for the interest on my home loan and drive on publicly built and maintained roads so it's not a leap to say I, too, am being fed from the public trough (which ties in with the point I was making).

Going back to my comment for a moment, this is what I wrote (which was in response to a typical Redtreviso post);

Teachers feed at the public trough. Public employees feed at the public trough. Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS all feed at the public trough.

Lots of formerly private companies now feed at the public trough.

Can you spot a problem here? Perhaps the public trough is larger than it should be.

Pass it on.

Please note I acknowledge that "private" corporations are also dependent... and you then miss my point (the bold part).

 

[Anonymous]

my bike rides are much better when the glass gets swept up by a city owned and taxpayer financed street sweeper every once in a while.

Oh, the for profit, privately owned street sweepers actually pick up glass more effectively and for a lower cost than the public ones. Crazy how that works.

 

[redtreviso]

Oh, the for profit, privately owned street sweepers actually pick up glass more effectively and for a lower cost than the public ones. Crazy how that works.

oh for pete's sake.. republican randian db'ery 24/7

 

[Hugh Januss]

Oh, the for profit, privately owned street sweepers actually pick up glass more effectively and for a lower cost than the public ones. Crazy how that works.

I just know you will find us a link for that.

BTW "Atlas Shrugged" was a work of FICTION

 

[Anonymous]

I just know you will find us a link for that.

BTW "Atlas Shrugged" was a work of FICTION

I just never pictured you being so uptight.

Laugh a little. It's ok.

 

[ChrisE]

I just never pictured you being so uptight.

Laugh a little. It's ok.

HJ is just ****ed that your koolaid drunken stupor over supply side economics and unhinged free market is hurting the country. It is not sustainable in the long run due to human nature and history has shown that. Civilization has gravitated long run to more socialistic models, not the opposite. Some of us realize that. I am purely a capitalist myself but I know there are boundaries that need to be maintained that will ultimately lead to better growth, and dog eat dog won't work long term. I know some things are left best to the govt instead of the free market. Your type of BS is only good for a small %, but they control the strings of the dolts and you happily spew the gospel.

There are 3 kinds of people that are yahoo about your political party, Scott. The ones trying to get over, the bigots, and the ones like yourself that actually believe the BS the ones trying to get over are shovelling. Useful idiots, the last 2 are.

No, I didn't feel like responding to your stock market rant a couple of weeks ago. That day I spent my time explaining physics 101 to my neighbor's cat. I found that to be a more productive use of my time.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I think public education should have to compete for students in a marketplace where quality education is the outcome... not the goal. There will be teachers (in a system that I'd advocate) both public and private and they will be well compensated based on their merit. Kind of like how the rest of the world works.

What about police officers? Firefighters? Judges? Air traffic controllers? National Parks? The SEC? OSHA? NOAA? The military? Shouldn't they have to complete for a job also in the same way?

I, too, am being fed from the public trough (which ties in with the point I was making).

If we're all feeding from the trough, why use such a negative light? Do you really think there should be essentially no government? Build your own roads, hire your own police kind of thing? The world would work better that way?

By this assertion, the way I see it would be that people are inherently ruthless, motivated by money above all else. They are greedy and will destroy each other given the chance. Neighbors, co-workers, they are enemies. What's mine is mine no matter how I got it or who I hurt in the process, and if you don't like it, you'll have to forcefully take it from me.

What a wonderful world.

 

[Anonymous]

HJ is just ****ed that your koolaid drunken stupor over supply side economics and unhinged free market is hurting the country. It is not sustainable in the long run due to human nature and history has shown that. Civilization has gravitated long run to more socialistic models, not the opposite. Some of us realize that. I am purely a capitalist myself but I know there are boundaries that need to be maintained that will ultimately lead to better growth, and dog eat dog won't work long term. I know some things are left best to the govt instead of the free market. Your type of BS is only good for a small %, but they control the strings of the dolts and you happily spew the gospel.

There are 3 kinds of people that are yahoo about your political party, Scott. The ones trying to get over, the bigots, and the ones like yourself that actually believe the BS the ones trying to get over are shovelling. Useful idiots, the last 2 are.

No, I didn't feel like responding to your stock market rant a couple of weeks ago. That day I spent my time explaining physics 101 to my neighbor's cat. I found that to be a more productive use of my time.

Gotta call BS on that one Chrissy.

I found that to be a more productive use of my time

Oh but somehow you just found the time to clear your calendar for this little pot stirring drive by.

You sound like you could use a cold one... and BTW, I don't really have a political party as I suspect you might not either.

 

[Anonymous]

I like John Huntsman.

 

[redtreviso]

Gotta call BS on that one Chrissy.



Oh but somehow you just found the time to clear your calendar for this little pot stirring drive by.

You sound like you could use a cold one... and BTW, I don't really have a political party as I suspect you might not either.

Yes you do but you won't take the personal responsibility of owning up to it.

 

[Hugh Januss]

It's just a little hard to laugh while we're all circling the bowl at an ever increasing rate. Easier to drink though.
BTW Chris you can put words in my mouth anytime you do it that well. ;-)

 

[Anonymous]

What about police officers? Firefighters? Judges? Air traffic controllers? National Parks? The SEC? OSHA? NOAA? The military? Shouldn't they have to complete for a job also in the same way?


If we're all feeding from the trough, why use such a negative light? Do you really think there should be essentially no government? Build your own roads, hire your own police kind of thing? The world would work better that way?

By this assertion, the way I see it would be that people are inherently ruthless, motivated by money above all else. They are greedy and will destroy each other given the chance. Neighbors, co-workers, they are enemies. What's mine is mine no matter how I got it or who I hurt in the process, and if you don't like it, you'll have to forcefully take it from me.

What a wonderful world.

What about police officers? Firefighters? Judges? Air traffic controllers? National Parks? The SEC? OSHA? NOAA? The military? Shouldn't they have to complete for a job also in the same way?

I would say that if any of the above is producing as poor of a product as public schools then I'd be in favor of making changes. How about you?

If we're all feeding from the trough, why use such a negative light? Do you really think there should be essentially no government? Build your own roads, hire your own police kind of thing? The world would work better that way?

Oh FFS. Are you really this thin skinned? Do you have any concept how someone who believes in smaller government is treated by the likes of those that believe more government is the cure for literally everything? Read some of the shit posted in my direction on this very thread.

You asking me if I think there should be no government (and you must believe that this is what I think) is as silly as me asking you if you believe government should run and control everything (and believing you actually think it). What the hell have I ever wrote on this board would lead you to think that I believe in zero government?

Seriously... could public sanitation be privatized? Uh, yes and it is in many, many municipalities. Would the world come to an end if a city contracted for police and fire service?

By this assertion, the way I see it would be that people are inherently ruthless, motivated by money above all else. They are greedy and will destroy each other given the chance. Neighbors, co-workers, they are enemies. What's mine is mine no matter how I got it or who I hurt in the process, and if you don't like it, you'll have to forcefully take it from me.

Pure silliness. Point to where I advocate any of this. You can't because I don't.

 

[Anonymous]

Yes you do but you won't take the personal responsibility of owning up to it.

Yes, when I enter the voting booth I have the choice between one side I have huge disagreements with and the other that I have almost nothing in common.

Yippeee.

 

[Anonymous]

I like John Huntsman.

I think he prolly got dumped in the trash can a few times in High School.

 

[Anonymous]

It's just a little hard to laugh while we're all circling the bowl at an ever increasing rate. Easier to drink though.
BTW Chris you can put words in my mouth anytime you do it that well. ;-)

Well the good news is neither one of us is in charge and I think we can both drink to that.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Well the good news is neither one of us is in charge and I think we can both drink to that.

And luck for each that the other one isn't.