FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Is this an unbiased poll?
Oh wait, never mind in a country where the president gets 110% of the votes in some constitcuencies are allways unbiased
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Is this an unbiased poll?
Oh wait, never mind in a country where the president gets 110% of the votes in some constitcuencies are allways unbiased
hfer07 said:
Chinese media slam US, EU for Kiev Coup and “Cold War mentality” against Russia, Ukraine
http://www.globalresearch.ca/chines...-war-mentality-against-russia-ukraine/5372319
So that's the Russian line.
U.S., China officials agree Ukraine's territorial integrity important
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/06/us-ukraine-crisis-obama-china-idUSBREA2508E20140306
So that's the western line.
China Prioritizes Ukraine's 'Ethnic Groups' Over Its 'Territorial Integrity'
China has stopped voicing support for Ukraine’s territorial integrity, which could set a dangerous precedent.
http://thediplomat.com/2014/03/chin...ethnic-groups-over-its-territorial-integrity/
...it's helpful to try to understand...
https://www.google.ca/#q=china+russia+U.S.+dollar
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Vino attacks everyone said:Is this an unbiased poll?
Oh wait, never mind in a country where the president gets 110% of the votes in some constitcuencies are allways unbiased
Western MSM... So i guess they took a normal poll that pleases basic standards...
Anyway, I know where you gonna head: So here we go; our polls are also messed up. They ask questions suggesting answers, they pay for "right polls", they just use every trick that can manipulate voters...
It´s a wrong assumption by those who came from eastern countries, that everything is "golden" in the west.
I must admit the west is far ahead in manipulating people subtile, while in the east it´s more "robust"...
And I havn´t even started about election days.
Just in short the two worst examples:
1.) The farce that brought GWB into office
2.) The maiming of Irelands "no" EU vote. They re-voted until the imperialists got their "yes". In Germany and other countries we weren´t even asked... The EU parlament has no power. The commision got it all (to rape our founding laws), yet they are not elected but appointed. That´s actually worse than a 110%-election-day.
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Vino attacks everyone said:Is this an unbiased poll?
Oh wait, never mind in a country where the president gets 110% of the votes in some constitcuencies are allways unbiased
...well, given the major problems that plague the election processes of certain huge Western "democratic" countries ( corrupted computerized voted systems and legal manipulations of a very dubious nature ) kinda hard to point the finger at "Mother Russia"....and lets not even start discussing the barely legal push polls and other scummy polling techniques that are routinely used to manipulate Western public opinion ( or the totally corrupt and wilfully blind MSM presstitutes system that informs that opinion...you can start with the NYT and Judith Miller and work down... )...
...bottom line, its an ugly world out there and everything political reeks of manipulation and deceit on some level....there are no white hats or black hats except in the movies ( and even there that kind of simplification is reserved for kid's movies these days....that being said the term kid's is not necessarily an age related thang but more a definition of an overly simplistic world view ...)...
...so, if you want to play with adults, stop acting like a kid...we already have SoWrong playing that role here....
Cheers
I have re-read my 2 sentences and I can't find where I said that the western world have a well functioning democratic voting system.
My point was only that, and I mean ONLY, because I ONLY wrote 1 thing, and that is that in this PARTICULAR CASES in the country Russia. One would be wise not to take the public "opinion" as fact, just because they support your argument.
And please stop with ad hominems "kiddo"
Cheers
My point was only that, and I mean ONLY, because I ONLY wrote 1 thing, and that is that in this PARTICULAR CASES in the country Russia. One would be wise not to take the public "opinion" as fact, just because they support your argument.
And please stop with ad hominems "kiddo"
Cheers
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RetroActive said:
...along similar lines it would be very interesting to see what Israel's response to this situation is....I bring this up because I just finished reading an article about the US's bestest friend in the world, the title of which is...
If They Can Sanction Russia Over Crimea, We Can Sanction Israel Over Palestine
....from.. http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/it...-crimea-we-can-sanction-israel-over-palestine
...and it would be most interesting to talk to indigenous folks in Hawaii who are still pi$$ed about being under the thumb of a certain foreign power...
Cheers
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Vino attacks everyone said:
....so let me get this straight, you lead with a cheap canard that was a bad punch line during the height of the Cold War and has long ago lost any relevance, and you accuse me of using an ad hominem....that is rich, real rich...
....you might as well have pulled up something from Tsarist times and it would have had about the same relevance....and somehow you are disturbed that you are taken to task for it....
...throw crap out there, expect criticism, and don't cry about it ( that is what little kids do )...
Cheers
blutto said:
Is this an unbiased poll?
Oh wait, never mind in a country where the president gets 110% of the votes in some constitcuencies are allways unbiased
I have a hard time understainding you m8. How can you conclude from these 2 sentences that I am pro -insert evil western country here- just by stating an obvious (?) fact about how a poll in where 2/3 of russians support Putin might not be a particulary accurate one. But if you can educate me, please do. I only live once, and I would like to die with as much knowledge as possible.
And could you please not act as a self-righteous *** while doing so? if it is not to much to ask...
blutto said:...but...but...but....that's a major part of my considerable charm....
Cheers
Oh I know it is, and I usually love it
But when it is put to use in a context were you are wrong, it gets solely derogatory, and not so much charming
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Vino attacks everyone said:Oh I know it is, and I usually love it
But when it is put to use in a context were you are wrong, it gets solely derogatory, and not so much charming
...point taken and apologies extended....
....so as we start this afresh, and I park the senile crazy self-righteous ***, a little background...in our household history and opinion did not paint either the old USSR or Mother Russia as ace-number-one-beacon-to-the-world nation, in fact it was very much quite the opposite ( which may help explain the emotion that has been fueling the self-righteous *** over this issue thru the last long while )....but I'm also of the opinion that if you are going to skewer someone you had better have all your facts in real good working order ( or put another way, a cheap shot is just a waste of ammunition and opportunity ...)
...so here is what my initial response should have been upon reading your post...exactly what country and what election are you talking about and where does the 110% number come from?....and what relevance does that have to the poll that was being discussed?....
Cheers
blutto said:
I was putting it a bit on the edge, but stuff like this: http://gawker.com/5864945/putin-clings-to-victory-as-russias-voter-turnout-exceeds-146
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...ent-turnout-another-side-to-russias-vote?lite
Doesn't not a total confidence in the elections in russia. I can also add to that, that I might be biased as I have very much respect for Garry Kasparov, who is very anti-Putin (which I am sure yu know).
edit: especially Chechnyas 99% of the vote thingy is funny.
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Vino attacks everyone said:
...thanks for providing some background material to your claims....though the Gawker article was not really a great bit of proof as it a "scissors and pastes" a pastiche drawn from several sources that ended up having even basic things like dates quite messed up...so being curious I looked at some other sources and found that yes recent elections in Russia are a pretty dodgy affair ( though to be fair not greatly unlike the mess the is the current US electoral system....)
...that being said, conflating random election results against a poll result is pretty dodgy too....not to say it didn't happen but you get my drift....
Cheers
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....the following breaking news is troubling....because it would seem there may actually be two invasions going on in The Ukraine....there is of course the Russian presence in Crimea which is all the news, though which may be defensible on a legal technically ( an agreement that apparently allows a certain number of Russian personnel to be in the Crimea )....and there is also now the presence of an American armed force in The Ukraine....seems everybody's favourite mercenary organization, the group formally known as Blackwater, has a contingent in The Ukraine ( which is weird on several fronts none the least of which is the fact the Ukrainian govt is broke and these guys don't come cheap )...
" Two Invasions
The Ukrainian Pendulum
by ISRAEL SHAMIR
The stakes are high in the Ukraine: after the coup, as Crimea and Donbas asserted their right to self determination, American and Russian troops entered Ukrainian territory, both under cover.
The American soldiers are “military advisors”, ostensibly members of Blackwater private army (renamed Academi); a few hundred of them patrol Kiev while others try to suppress the revolt in Donetsk. Officially, they were invited by the new West-installed regime. They are the spearhead of the US invasion attempting to prop up the regime and break down all resistance. They have already bloodied their hands in Donetsk."
...the full article is here.. http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/07/the-ukrainian-pendulum/
...the part about bloodiest hands in an area of largely Russian speaking Ukrainians does not really sound all that good if one is hoping for a more or less peaceful end to this mess...someone has done something that could become really idiotic...but hey this is now a neocon show, and given recent history neocons have shown a marked disposition to really really excel at idiotic and disastrous....
...and speaking of idiotic AND suicidal we also have this bit of diplomatic brilliance..
" The Kiev regime applied for NATO help and expressed its readiness to allow US missiles to be stationed in the Ukraine..."
...yup, US missiles in The Ukraine...now everybody take a real deep breath and say that slowly a few times....and we just know how well that will go over in the Kremlin....so if you are looking to make an investment that will have some immediate impact potential you may want to check out fallout shelters ( they were all the rage during the Cuban Missile Crisis....ahhh, the good old days when things were black and white, the buck apparently stopped somewhere, though no one really knew where, and blacks and women knew their place...and then those dirty liberal socialist hippy sex maniacs took over....such a shame, it was so perfect...)
Cheers
" Two Invasions
The Ukrainian Pendulum
by ISRAEL SHAMIR
The stakes are high in the Ukraine: after the coup, as Crimea and Donbas asserted their right to self determination, American and Russian troops entered Ukrainian territory, both under cover.
The American soldiers are “military advisors”, ostensibly members of Blackwater private army (renamed Academi); a few hundred of them patrol Kiev while others try to suppress the revolt in Donetsk. Officially, they were invited by the new West-installed regime. They are the spearhead of the US invasion attempting to prop up the regime and break down all resistance. They have already bloodied their hands in Donetsk."
...the full article is here.. http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/07/the-ukrainian-pendulum/
...the part about bloodiest hands in an area of largely Russian speaking Ukrainians does not really sound all that good if one is hoping for a more or less peaceful end to this mess...someone has done something that could become really idiotic...but hey this is now a neocon show, and given recent history neocons have shown a marked disposition to really really excel at idiotic and disastrous....
...and speaking of idiotic AND suicidal we also have this bit of diplomatic brilliance..
" The Kiev regime applied for NATO help and expressed its readiness to allow US missiles to be stationed in the Ukraine..."
...yup, US missiles in The Ukraine...now everybody take a real deep breath and say that slowly a few times....and we just know how well that will go over in the Kremlin....so if you are looking to make an investment that will have some immediate impact potential you may want to check out fallout shelters ( they were all the rage during the Cuban Missile Crisis....ahhh, the good old days when things were black and white, the buck apparently stopped somewhere, though no one really knew where, and blacks and women knew their place...and then those dirty liberal socialist hippy sex maniacs took over....such a shame, it was so perfect...)
Cheers
blutto said:
Dear God now you are opening up a can of worms. The irony in parts was deafening. You should have highlighted the juicy bits. Some of those knots are tied so tightly; you're on your own defending what's written.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
I've always really liked this link on the interwebz:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/nov/2/20031102-111400-3720r/
Of course Putin blocked it.
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RetroActive said:
....a couple of things...yup we can say the monster Putin blocked something so it wouldn't be seen by the Russian people thereby making them ignorant and much more likely to fall for propaganda that draws of a skewed view of reality...
....but we also have seen how little (no?) traction the sniper story has gotten in the West....has it been blocked by some monster personality we can easily point a finger at?....well not really, though the effect is roughly the same, as in an ignorant populace which is thru that ignorance very susceptible to propaganda that has little or no basis in fact....the only difference there is no one discernible monster just a bunch of little monsters nicely hidden in office cubicles ( sort of a banality of evil thang )....
...as for The Holodomor....well, there is an interesting bit of overlooked/hidden/ignored history that definitely has not only thermo-nuclear potential but all the charm of nitro-glycerine....and if this bit of history gets big traction in this situation this conflict will go off like a fuel-air bomb....and given the way this plays in the Ukrainian historical narrative being either Russian or Jewish during a conflict that has The Holodomor as a rallying cry is pretty well the kiss of death ( btw the visceral hate this engenders makes the ethnic hatreds we saw in the Yugoslav conflicts look like a pleasant walk in the park )..
...yup, you gotta hand it to those neocons, they really know how to find, court and dance with disaster...US missiles in The Ukraine, brilliant
....Blackwater mercs making the oligarchs, who been made governors in eastern Ukraine, into armed to the teeth warlords, way brilliant....you have to ask yourself does hubris come with a death wish option or is that a standard part of the package?... Cheers
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...roops-evict-ukrainina-border-guards-live-blog
Russia may end nuclear checks in response to Ukraine sanction
the guardian link does not provide more details. i think they are talking about a START treaty routine mutual inspections that verified compliance.
Russia may end nuclear checks in response to Ukraine sanction
the guardian link does not provide more details. i think they are talking about a START treaty routine mutual inspections that verified compliance.
blutto said:]....a couple of things...yup we can say the monster Putin blocked something so it wouldn't be seen by the Russian people thereby making them ignorant and much more likely to fall for propaganda that draws of a skewed view of reality...[/B]
....but we also have seen how little (no?) traction the sniper story has gotten in the West....has it been blocked by some monster personality we can easily point a finger at?....well not really, though the effect is roughly the same, as in an ignorant populace which is thru that ignorance very susceptible to propaganda that has little or no basis in fact....the only difference there is no one discernible monster just a bunch of little monsters nicely hidden in office cubicles ( sort of a banality of evil thang )....
...as for The Holodomor....well, there is an interesting bit of overlooked/hidden/ignored history that definitely has not only thermo-nuclear potential but all the charm of nitro-glycerine....and if this bit of history gets big traction in this situation this conflict will go off like a fuel-air bomb....and given the way this plays in the Ukrainian historical narrative being either Russian or Jewish during a conflict that has The Holodomor as a rallying cry is pretty well the kiss of death ( btw the visceral hate this engenders makes the ethnic hatreds we saw in the Yugoslav conflicts look like a pleasant walk in the park )..
...yup, you gotta hand it to those neocons, they really know how to find, court and dance with disaster...US missiles in The Ukraine, brilliant
Cheers
I meant Putin blocked the transfer of wealth, not the article. It's from 2003. The oligarchs (and those aligned with them, Kasparov) hate Putin still.
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In the name of freedom:
At least 3 million death count for Mr Agent Orange executer.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...tBeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=t20NAAAAIBAJ&pg=3719,1826519
And how does USA honour guys like that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Westmoreland#Awards_and_decorations
(have a look at the all the medals mass murderers/terrorists can gain in gods own country)
At least 3 million death count for Mr Agent Orange executer.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...tBeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=t20NAAAAIBAJ&pg=3719,1826519
And how does USA honour guys like that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Westmoreland#Awards_and_decorations
(have a look at the all the medals mass murderers/terrorists can gain in gods own country)
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