- Jul 30, 2011
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rhubroma said:
Pragmatically, sure. In honesty? No. How hard is it to get people--let alone "leaders" to come clean on that?
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Pragmatically, sure. In honesty? No. How hard is it to get people--let alone "leaders" to come clean on that?
- Sep 25, 2009
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one very interesting development today was the signing of some mutual tatar-crimea agreement about cooperation..the 1st inter-government agreement for the new crimea.
most dont know that the russian tatars (kazan tatars) are a broadly autonomous republic within the russian federation, administratively independent. they elect their own president and govt. more, they are one of the most prosperous regions managing their own oil reserves. they are sunni muslims with the number of religious facilities second only to saudy arabia.
what also is interesting that the kazan tatarts and the crimean ones speak the same or very similar language and are both sunny muslims.
that's where the parallels end. crimean tatars hate the russians whilst the kazan are pro-russian if not half-russified.
it looks like moscow is trying to show kiev, 2 things:
-the kazan model autonomy they can live with
-the crimea digestion has begun and kiev shall forget of inciting their tatar proxies
a masterful putin move if you ask me.
most dont know that the russian tatars (kazan tatars) are a broadly autonomous republic within the russian federation, administratively independent. they elect their own president and govt. more, they are one of the most prosperous regions managing their own oil reserves. they are sunni muslims with the number of religious facilities second only to saudy arabia.
what also is interesting that the kazan tatarts and the crimean ones speak the same or very similar language and are both sunny muslims.
that's where the parallels end. crimean tatars hate the russians whilst the kazan are pro-russian if not half-russified.
it looks like moscow is trying to show kiev, 2 things:
-the kazan model autonomy they can live with
-the crimea digestion has begun and kiev shall forget of inciting their tatar proxies
a masterful putin move if you ask me.
- Jul 4, 2009
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...hot off the internetz...
"The EU and the US intend to invest billions of dollars to develop oil and gas deposits in Ukraine, which may then become an exporter apart from being self-sufficient. This will in its turn impact Russian gas supplies to Europe, which gets approximately 30 per cent of its gas needs through Ukraine.
The problem for the EU is that it wants to reduce its dependence on Russian energy supplies and at the same time does not want to develop shale oil and gas production within its territories, fearing environmental damage. Environmental protection agencies are resisting attempts by some EU countries to develop such capacities.
This approach has prompted French President Francois Hollande to rule out shale gas exploration under his administration. Since Western countries are challenged by environmental concerns, the possible alternative is to develop shale oil and gas output in Eastern Europe, particularly in Ukraine, and help it in its endeavour to join the EU."
Read more: http://gulfnews.com/business/opinion/ukraine-crisis-has-to-do-with-economic-interests-1.1299470
...the long range problem is that such development will not be the best thing for the water supply that feeds one of the key parts of the world's bread basket....
...and in related news the EU will apparently loan The Ukraine several billion euros ( should that read down-payment on an austerity package???...and that should make everyone that really matters way happy, worked wonders for Latvia after all...take it away Mr Brown that is your cue for a bow...nice call on this development earlier...)...
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"The EU and the US intend to invest billions of dollars to develop oil and gas deposits in Ukraine, which may then become an exporter apart from being self-sufficient. This will in its turn impact Russian gas supplies to Europe, which gets approximately 30 per cent of its gas needs through Ukraine.
The problem for the EU is that it wants to reduce its dependence on Russian energy supplies and at the same time does not want to develop shale oil and gas production within its territories, fearing environmental damage. Environmental protection agencies are resisting attempts by some EU countries to develop such capacities.
This approach has prompted French President Francois Hollande to rule out shale gas exploration under his administration. Since Western countries are challenged by environmental concerns, the possible alternative is to develop shale oil and gas output in Eastern Europe, particularly in Ukraine, and help it in its endeavour to join the EU."
Read more: http://gulfnews.com/business/opinion/ukraine-crisis-has-to-do-with-economic-interests-1.1299470
...the long range problem is that such development will not be the best thing for the water supply that feeds one of the key parts of the world's bread basket....
...and in related news the EU will apparently loan The Ukraine several billion euros ( should that read down-payment on an austerity package???...and that should make everyone that really matters way happy, worked wonders for Latvia after all...take it away Mr Brown that is your cue for a bow...nice call on this development earlier...)...
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Kiev snipers hired by Maidan leaders - leaked EU's Ashton phone tape
http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/
http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/
rhubroma said:
Yup, another facepalm. Wtf. I guess this phone hacking works every which way, of cooouuurrse!
Rockerfeller Says Internet Should Have Never Been Invented
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZlK25-1KTY
Hillary Clinton: The US is losing "an information war"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1p-E2xmpjA
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RetroActive said:
you beat me to it as i was searching for the authentic links and verifying the reports.
The authenticity of the conversation was confirmed by the Estonian side.
Full conversation, about snipers start at 8:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8
Rt summary:
http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/
- Jul 4, 2009
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python said:
....my my my...the glorious warriors in the "democratic" revolutionski could never be behind the sniping ????....please say it ain't so...this would make ace-number-one-monster Boris, errr, Vlad Putin right and just about everyone in the western MSM dead wrong....
....naw will never happen...and besides if look you closely enough its about Benghazi....damn it, Benhgazi!!...
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Here comes the show of strength...
US warship given permission to traverse Bosphorus en route to Black Sea
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us...k-sea.aspx?pageID=238&nID=63227&NewsCatID=341
US warship given permission to traverse Bosphorus en route to Black Sea
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us...k-sea.aspx?pageID=238&nID=63227&NewsCatID=341
- Jul 4, 2009
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python said:
...so, assuming this is true, and given that the former Ukrainian PM was charged with mass murder in large part over the sniper incident, who gets charged with mass murder now?....the glorious revolutionaries?....or should we go to head of the chain of command for this little incident and charge Ms Nuland, and her phone buddy the US ambassador to The Ukraine, with mass murder?....or maybe we should just follow the prevailing fashion in certain halls of Washington politics and charge Obama..????....( and here is a fine example of said prevailing fashion... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyMuLGXxTs )
...things just got real complicatedistical, like totally complicatedistical, haven't they?
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Hmmm...
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Kiev-Cairo-pamphlets-1.jpg
Here we go...again...still
Israeli Naval Raid Nabs Rocket Shipment
http://abcnews.go.com/International...-raid-seizes-gaza-bound-iranian-arms-22779803
IDF shoots two militants at Lebanese border
http://www.jta.org/2014/03/05/news-.../idf-shoots-two-terrorists-at-lebanese-border
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Kiev-Cairo-pamphlets-1.jpg
Here we go...again...still
Israeli Naval Raid Nabs Rocket Shipment
http://abcnews.go.com/International...-raid-seizes-gaza-bound-iranian-arms-22779803
IDF shoots two militants at Lebanese border
http://www.jta.org/2014/03/05/news-.../idf-shoots-two-terrorists-at-lebanese-border
- Jun 15, 2009
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Didn´t I "told you so"?
Before there was any official evidence (hell, even MSM admits it now)
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...-telefonat-mit-ashton-abgehoert-a-957159.html
that the snipers came from the so-called revolutionists, I was called a conspiracy theorist by some belgium poster here (where is he now?).
And del1962 was still busy calling the messengers here "idiots" and what else.
Where are you now "del1962"?
Next time just try to count one and one together, inform yourself from independent sources (or at least middle the infos you get from both sides), and never never ever trust the western mainstream media solely, which is owned by those who start the wars.
Easy like that... and you can compete with the more enlighted posters like "blutto" and else here.
Before there was any official evidence (hell, even MSM admits it now)
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...-telefonat-mit-ashton-abgehoert-a-957159.html
that the snipers came from the so-called revolutionists, I was called a conspiracy theorist by some belgium poster here (where is he now?).
And del1962 was still busy calling the messengers here "idiots" and what else.
Where are you now "del1962"?
Next time just try to count one and one together, inform yourself from independent sources (or at least middle the infos you get from both sides), and never never ever trust the western mainstream media solely, which is owned by those who start the wars.
Easy like that... and you can compete with the more enlighted posters like "blutto" and else here.
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rhubroma said:
....it would be most interesting, errr, surprising if it did, but apart from that there are some sparks of sanity in the great exceptional thang to the south( as the exchange linked below shows...btw its quite funny given the people involved... )....
...the key exchange was...
"So, it's the USA's fault that Putin rolled in? We made them do it?" O'Reilly asked.
"Bill O'Reilly, if you don't believe in cause and effect, I don't know what I can do for you," Kucinich responded."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKqPwGTjDlY&feature=player_embedded
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- Sep 25, 2009
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there is nothing to say except to keep shaking head...if the west's wh0re politicians cared one bit about democracy, the putsch govt would have been pressed to start the investigation. in stead, it seems every effort is made to either ignore it or minimimize...blutto said:
in this regard, i find the main media's reaction to the 2 recent events most telling.
a couple of days back i was posting while trying to verify the report about the ultimatum to the ukrainian forces. the banner news was everywhere. when i tried to find if it was indeed posted in the primary sources everyone was referring - intefax - it was simply not to be found. iow, the main western media regardless of their reputation jumped on a lie without an easy verification, because it favoured the western narrative.
when only 2 days later a 100% authentic anti-putschist fact is found, most main media has still not reported it. i am speaking from my own sample of several rss news sources... specifically, my 3 feeds for reuters, the guardian and deutsche welle still have nothing on the ground-breaking news.
such is the rotten westerm media calling itself free.
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....the following is a chronology of the events leading to the establishment of the new "government" in The Ukraine....two passages that stand out are directly below...
January 24, 2014 – President Yanukoyvch identified foreign elements participating in Kiev protests warning that armed radicals were a danger to peaceful citizens. Independent news agencies also reported that “not all of Kiev’s population backs opposition rule, which depends mainly on a group from the former Polish town of Lvov, which holds sway over Kiev downtown - but not the rest of the city.”
January 30, 2014 - The State Department’s website Media Note announced Nuland’s upcoming travel plans that ”In Kyiv, Assistant Secretary Nuland will meet with government officials, opposition leaders, civil society and business leaders to encourage agreement on a new government and plan of action.” In other words, almost a month before President Yanukovych was ousted, the US was planning to rid the world of another independently elected President.
...from... http://www.commondreams.org/node/103222
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January 24, 2014 – President Yanukoyvch identified foreign elements participating in Kiev protests warning that armed radicals were a danger to peaceful citizens. Independent news agencies also reported that “not all of Kiev’s population backs opposition rule, which depends mainly on a group from the former Polish town of Lvov, which holds sway over Kiev downtown - but not the rest of the city.”
January 30, 2014 - The State Department’s website Media Note announced Nuland’s upcoming travel plans that ”In Kyiv, Assistant Secretary Nuland will meet with government officials, opposition leaders, civil society and business leaders to encourage agreement on a new government and plan of action.” In other words, almost a month before President Yanukovych was ousted, the US was planning to rid the world of another independently elected President.
...from... http://www.commondreams.org/node/103222
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- Jun 15, 2009
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Interesting....
How about Italy? Nothing there? Not even in the left MSM press?
So DER SPIEGEL, even tough 99 % in line with the western MSM, at least posted the sniper-issue-exchange, and they have a writer (Augstein) who in one comment told it like it is some days ago. Of course even in those two articles they didn´t forget
to mention that Putin and Russia are mostly to blame for the crises.
Whatever, most forum posters there woke up. At least 50% share the critical view we have here on the US and EU imperialists...
How about Italy? Nothing there? Not even in the left MSM press?
So DER SPIEGEL, even tough 99 % in line with the western MSM, at least posted the sniper-issue-exchange, and they have a writer (Augstein) who in one comment told it like it is some days ago. Of course even in those two articles they didn´t forget
to mention that Putin and Russia are mostly to blame for the crises.Whatever, most forum posters there woke up. At least 50% share the critical view we have here on the US and EU imperialists...
- Apr 2, 2009
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This is just as I had feared. The US isn't willing to accept a Russian controlled Crimea. What on earth do they think they will achieve? And how do they think Moscow will comply? Sanctions?
No way Putin steps back from this. He's put his entire legacy of reestablishing Russia's "pride," and global status, into this. He's not the type to cave in under pressure.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/russia-us-talks-ukraine-crisis-kerry-lavrov?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2
No way Putin steps back from this. He's put his entire legacy of reestablishing Russia's "pride," and global status, into this. He's not the type to cave in under pressure.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/russia-us-talks-ukraine-crisis-kerry-lavrov?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2
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just in.
vlad just made 2 more surgical strikes though the idiotic western media is falling over each other crying and moaning...
the crimean referendum is moved from 31 march to the 16 mar.
and, if i read the news right, the previously floated 'autonomy' is no more and the referendum question will be - an outright to join, or not to join russia.
clearly vlad is so intimidated by the sanctions that he needs to create a place in crimea to seek his asylum at
---
i will add my quick thoughts as to why he did it.
1. he clealy sees the need to defend it militarily in light of american military moves
2. he ratcheted up the race of cynics, answering the west playing dumb about the neo-nazis, extreme right, vicious rusophobia etc in the putsch govn
3. he invites those who bark so much to show him some beaf
vlad just made 2 more surgical strikes though the idiotic western media is falling over each other crying and moaning...
the crimean referendum is moved from 31 march to the 16 mar.
and, if i read the news right, the previously floated 'autonomy' is no more and the referendum question will be - an outright to join, or not to join russia.
clearly vlad is so intimidated by the sanctions that he needs to create a place in crimea to seek his asylum at
---
i will add my quick thoughts as to why he did it.
1. he clealy sees the need to defend it militarily in light of american military moves
2. he ratcheted up the race of cynics, answering the west playing dumb about the neo-nazis, extreme right, vicious rusophobia etc in the putsch govn
3. he invites those who bark so much to show him some beaf
- Apr 7, 2011
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So the snipers in Kiew, were commanded by the new government in kiew. Why am i not suprised?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ters-possibly-hired-Ukraines-new-leaders.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ters-possibly-hired-Ukraines-new-leaders.html
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merhubroma said:
never
that statement may have needed
but i thought the irony was obious.i recall my 1st comment regarding the 'democratic procedure' of the russian parliament requesting putin to consider the use of military force. the second request of the mps was to recall russian ambassador from the us
anyone who studied putin and knows the russian psych would recognize in that phrase alone that he was dead serious to face ANY eventuality, any threat, any intimidation.
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python said:me
never
that statement may have needed
i recall my 1st comment regarding the 'democratic procedure' of the russian parliament requesting putin to consider the use of military force. the second request of the mps was to recall russian ambassador from the us
anyone who studied putin and knows the russian psych would recognize in that phrase alone that he was dead serious to face ANY eventuality, any threat, any intimidation.
Ok, that's what I thought, just wanted to clarify.
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