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....very interesting article on Saudi Arabia....title of which is, "Towards the Collapse of Saudi Arabia"...
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"The decapitation of Sheikh al-Nimr will have been the straw that broke the camel’s back. The fall of Saudi Arabia is now inevitable because there is no hope left for the people who live there. The country will be plunged into a mixture of tribal revolts and social revolutions which will be far more murderous than the previous Middle-Eastern conflicts.

Far from acting to prevent this tragic end, the US protectors of the kingdom are awaiting it with impatience. They continually praise Prince Mohammed’s « wisdom », as if encouraging him to make even more mistakes. Already in September 2001, the US Committee of the Chiefs of Staff were working on a map for the re-modelling of the « wider Middle East », which planned for the separation of the country into five states. In July 2002, Washington was considering ways of getting rid of the Saud family, during a famous session of the Defense Policy Board. From now on, it’s just a matter of time.

Keep in mind : The United States have managed to solve the question of the succession of King Abdallah, but today, they are attempting to lead Saudi Arabia into error. Their objective is now to divide the country into five states. Wahhabism is the state religion, but the power of the Saud family, both interior and exterior, depends exclusively on Sunni tribes, while it subjects all other populations to apartheid. King Salman (80 years old) leaves the exercise of power to one of his children, Prince Mohammed (30 years old.) The Prince has seized control of his country’s major companies, has declared war on Yemen, and has just executed the leader of the opposition, Sheikh al-Nimr."

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/01/thierry-meyssan/saudi-arabia-will-overthrown/

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....well here is a surprise....especially given that conventional energy prices have dropped dramatically...
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"Renewables just finished another record-breaking year, with more money invested ($329 billion) and more capacity added (121 gigawatts) than ever before, according to new data released Thursday by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

This wasn't supposed to happen. Oil, coal and natural gas bottomed out over the last 18 months, with bargain prices not seen in a decade. That's just one of a handful of reasons 2015 should have been a rough year for clean energy. But the opposite was true."

....and...

"Perhaps the biggest surprise last year came from smaller countries that often don't register on charts like the one above. For the first time, more than half of the world's annual investment in clean energy came from emerging markets.

Even more telling is that the world has reached a turning point, and is now adding more power capacity from renewables every year than from coal, natural gas, and oil combined. That trend continued in 2015 despite crashing fossil fuel prices."

....so maybe the Saudi dumping of oil is in fact a fire sale as some outliers in the economic community have claimed....

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....well here is a surprise....especially given that conventional energy prices have dropped dramatically...
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"Renewables just finished another record-breaking year, with more money invested ($329 billion) and more capacity added (121 gigawatts) than ever before, according to new data released Thursday by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

This wasn't supposed to happen. Oil, coal and natural gas bottomed out over the last 18 months, with bargain prices not seen in a decade. That's just one of a handful of reasons 2015 should have been a rough year for clean energy. But the opposite was true."

....and...

"Perhaps the biggest surprise last year came from smaller countries that often don't register on charts like the one above. For the first time, more than half of the world's annual investment in clean energy came from emerging markets.

Even more telling is that the world has reached a turning point, and is now adding more power capacity from renewables every year than from coal, natural gas, and oil combined. That trend continued in 2015 despite crashing fossil fuel prices."

....so maybe the Saudi dumping of oil is in fact a fire sale as some outliers in the economic community have claimed....

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Most, if not all, significant investments would have been decided well before the beginning of 2015. The drop in the price of oil is relatively recent and will only affect investments going forward, there may be some impact in 2016 but most impact will be subsequent.
 
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blutto said:
....well here is a surprise....especially given that conventional energy prices have dropped dramatically...
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"Renewables just finished another record-breaking year, with more money invested ($329 billion) and more capacity added (121 gigawatts) than ever before, according to new data released Thursday by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.

This wasn't supposed to happen. Oil, coal and natural gas bottomed out over the last 18 months, with bargain prices not seen in a decade. That's just one of a handful of reasons 2015 should have been a rough year for clean energy. But the opposite was true."

....and...

"Perhaps the biggest surprise last year came from smaller countries that often don't register on charts like the one above. For the first time, more than half of the world's annual investment in clean energy came from emerging markets.

Even more telling is that the world has reached a turning point, and is now adding more power capacity from renewables every year than from coal, natural gas, and oil combined. That trend continued in 2015 despite crashing fossil fuel prices."

....so maybe the Saudi dumping of oil is in fact a fire sale as some outliers in the economic community have claimed....

Cheers
Most, if not all, significant investments would have been decided well before the beginning of 2015. The drop in the price of oil is relatively recent and will only affect investments going forward, there may be some impact in 2016 but most impact will be subsequent.

....true but the fossil fuel has during the same period pulled back a significant number of projects ( assuming the wailing and whining in the business papers paints a real reality )....so why is the one sector able to move backwards and the other somehow still moves forward....

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....provocative article by Pepe Escobar wherein he talks of the new start of the Pipelineistan saga ( it apparently will begin the shovelling bit this April ) the cozy relationship btwn the CIA and the heroin trade ( they just can't let go apparently and why should they its like having a money printing machine on the good steroids ) and the relationship btwn ISIS and the Pakistani spook service ( like who knew?) ...

....all told a lot of good stuff...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43945.htm

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Love this quote from an ex dea agent interviewed about Sean Penn.

“People in Hollywood have a tendency to live in a cocoon and they really don’t understand all of these implications."

Damn right.
 
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Love this quote from an ex dea agent interviewed about Sean Penn.

“People in Hollywood have a tendency to live in a cocoon and they really don’t understand all of these implications."

Damn right.

Just as funny is how and old surfer actor can find El Chapo when two major governments stand there with their puds in hand. The fact that Penn uses his Hollywood pulpit to pronounce opinions on western cultures use of drugs may look silly to an ex or current DEA agent. May it be suggested that rather than critique Penn's bumbling attempt at being a writer, that the DEA spend more time doing it's job...maybe next time without Sean's help...maybe he should pull a Landis and ask for reward money after his extensive work to make contact with the tiny drug lord. Anybody from the DEA saying Penn is better or worse at anything after he found El Chapo when they could not...well is damn wrong
 
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The Hitch said:
Love this quote from an ex dea agent interviewed about Sean Penn.

“People in Hollywood have a tendency to live in a cocoon and they really don’t understand all of these implications."

Damn right.

I think assuming Sean Penn doesn't understand what he's doing is silly on the part of that agent. Typical response from some quarters. Fair to have questions about his politics and methods, dumb I think to assume Penn is an idiot. Not that there aren't a lot of massive douchebags in Hollywood, but Penn has been around the block more than most people, never mind Hollywood. Hardly lives in a cocoon. Total cliché.
 
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The quote is assume about the irony of this world
A fuccin DEA agent talking about other people living in a cocoon, loool good one.
 
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"For what it’s worth, I tend toward the theory that Rolling Stone gave a head’s up to the government (if I were a lawyer, I think I would have suggested that incremental profits from marketing El Chapo’s story might enmesh the magazine in some kind of RICO headache; better check in with the Feds!) and the US government used this knowledge to piggyback on the operation with or without the knowledge of Rolling Stone and either hide a device in the luggage of the party or persuade one of them to carry it. I tend away from the idea of Penn as an individual taking the suicidal risk of knowingly infiltrating El Chapo’s camp to implant a tracking device because, you know, suicide.

And as to why create a media firestorm around Penn’s visit and article and at the same time alleging El Chapo was, basically, captured by accident–instead of acknowledging a successful op, well, murder. If Sean Penn is murdered in a revenge attack, it’s easier for the government if he’s portrayed as a silly dingbat in the wrong place at the wrong time, not somebody on whose back the US government painted a bull’s eye by involving him in an extremely dangerous clandestine effort."

http://www.unz.com/plee/sean-penns-bungle-in-the-jungle-or-not/

....the rest of the article is quite an eye opener as it tries to put some background onto the Penn story....

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....and speaking of being reasonable, and tolerant and nice to your long time neighbours.....
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"A landmark Christian holy site in Jerusalem was vandalised with Hebrew graffiti in what appears to be the latest attack by extremist Jews.

Police spokeswoman Luba Samri said anti-Christian slogans were found on Sunday on the outer walls of the Dormition Abbey, a Benedictine monastery located just outside Jerusalem's Old City and where Christian tradition says the Virgin Mary died.

The graffiti included threats of violence, messages degrading Jesus, and a call for Christians to "go to hell".

Police were investigating but suspicion immediately fell on Jewish extremists who have for years vandalised Palestinian property, as well as mosques, churches, the offices of dovish Israeli groups - and even Israeli military bases. The so-called "price tag" attacks seek to exact a cost for Israeli steps seen as favouring the Palestinians.

That attacks have prompted widespread condemnation and pledges by Israel's government to get tougher on Jewish vigilantes.

Israel's Minister of Public Security Gilad Erdan said he has instructed police to give the vandalism case top priority.

"We will not allow anyone to undermine the coexistence between religions in Israel. We will show zero tolerance to whomever harms the democratic foundations of Israel and its freedom of religion, and we will apprehend those who carried out this heinous act," he said.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also condemned the vandalism.

The Benedictine abbey is a popular site for pilgrims and tourists. It has been damaged several times in recent years"
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.....and fyi the investigations into the previous vandalism has not to this date yielded any results....just a complete mystery....baffling really....real bafflying...

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....this may be a fun read...

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/01/15/mh-17s-unnecessary-mystery/

"But one doesn’t need to infer this lack of evidence. It was spelled out in a little-noticed report by the Netherlands’ Military Intelligence and Security Service (MIVD) that was made public last October when the Dutch Safety Board issued its findings on the causes of the doomed MH-17 flight. (Since the flight had originated in Amsterdam and carried many Dutch passengers, Netherlands took a lead role in the investigation.)

Dutch intelligence, which as part of NATO would have access to sensitive overhead surveillance and other relevant data, reported that the only anti-aircraft weapons in eastern Ukraine – capable of bringing down MH-17 at 33,000 feet – belonged to the Ukrainian government.

MIVD made that assessment in the context of explaining why commercial aircraft continued to fly over the eastern Ukrainian battle zone in summer 2014. MIVD said that based on “state secret” information, it was known that Ukraine possessed some older but “powerful anti-aircraft systems” and “a number of these systems were located in the eastern part of the country.”

But the intelligence agency added that the rebels lacked that capacity: “Prior to the crash, the MIVD knew that, in addition to light aircraft artillery, the Separatists also possessed short-range portable air defence systems (man-portable air-defence systems; MANPADS) and that they possibly possessed short-range vehicle-borne air-defence systems. Both types of systems are considered surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). Due to their limited range they do not constitute a danger to civil aviation at cruising altitude.”

MIVD noted that on June 29, 2014, “the Separatists captured a Ukrainian armed forces military base in Donetsk [where] there were Buk missile systems,” a fact that was reported in the press before the crash and attracted MIVD’s attention.

“During the course of July, several reliable sources indicated that the systems that were at the military base were not operational,” MIVD said. “Therefore, they could not be used by the Separatists.”

In other words, it is fair to say – based on the affirmative comments from MIVD and the omissions from the U.S. DNI’s “Government Assessment” – that the Western powers had no evidence that the ethnic Russian rebels or their Russian allies had operational Buk missiles in eastern Ukraine, but Ukraine did."

....and this...

"Lying First

A similar case occurred in 1983 when Korean Airlines Flight 007 penetrated deeply into Soviet territory and was pursued by a Soviet fighter that – after issuing warnings that were ignored – shot the plane down believing it was an enemy military aircraft. Though the Soviets quickly realized they had made a terrible mistake, the Reagan administration wanted to use the incident to paint the “evil empire” in the evilest of tones.

So, Reagan’s propagandists edited the ground-control intercepts to make it appear that the Soviets had committed willful murder, a theme that was presented to the United Nations and was gullibly lapped up by the mainstream U.S. news media.

The fuller story only came out in 1995 with a book entitled Warriors of Disinformation by Alvin A. Snyder, who had been director of the U.S. Information Agency’s television and film division. He described how the tapes were edited “to heap as much abuse on the Soviet Union as possible.”

In a boastful but frank description of the successful disinformation campaign, Snyder noted that “the American media swallowed the U.S. government line without reservation. Said the venerable Ted Koppel on the ABC News ‘Nightline’ program: ‘This has been one of those occasions when there is very little difference between what is churned out by the U.S. government propaganda organs and by the commercial broadcasting networks.'”

Snyder concluded, “The moral of the story is that all governments, including our own, lie when it suits their purposes. The key is to lie first.”

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A new Oxfam report says that the 62 richest people in the world are as wealthy as the 50% poorest on the planet.
Since the economic crisis, the wealth of those 62 grew by 44% while the poorest half of the world saw their wealth decrease by 41%.
jagartrott, i am not going to argue that wealth disparity is to be blamed for many of our problems, but i'd be very careful NOT to read 'the report' too literally. the argument can go endlessly, but the matter of who is rich vs. who is poor and how to define the very specific rich/poor criteria across the globe's local economic diversity is the problem here.

for ex, if we have an official criteria for who's poor in the western world in terms of their income, it would still be a highly arbitrary category b/c the cost of living is so different in many locales. add to this a similar uncertainty of how to classify 'the 62 richest'. the publicly available numbers are estimates that could be very much off the mark due to a range of factors.

the best way imo to look at the poor vs rich is through a geographical map. iow, how do neighbours compare ? (say the rich saudi vs the pyss poor yemen) and why is that ? or why the northern nations tend to be economically more successful vs. the south ? or why the united states or the western european poor aren't creating a revolution as in the old days (at least based on the classic marxist theory) ?
 
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We’ve been conned by the rich predators of Davos
Aditya Chakrabortty

They write their own tax laws; they buy their own politicians. No wonder the wealth of the very richest people on the planet is ballooning

As metaphors go, this one takes some beating. This week, some of the richest people on Earth will gather high up a snowy mountain in the world’s biggest tax haven. Most will have paid big money to attend the three-day meeting in Davos: the most exclusive memberships cost somewhere in the region of £100,000 each. From there, they will relay thoughts on global risks and opportunities to the ski-jacketed press corps. They will talk about gender inequality and technological innovation. The message will go out: however turbulent the global economy, it is being capably stewarded.

These are our economic elites as they want the rest of us stuck on the flatlands below to see them: big-thinking, well-intentioned, hard-working – and thoroughly meritocratic. This is also how they justify the mammoth rewards they enjoy: we sweat for it; we’re worth it. The follow-up is usually only implied, but it is the one that underpins the entire system: put in enough hours and this could be you.

Set against that promise the finding from Oxfam that 62 billionaires have more wealth than half the world’s population – 3.5 billion people – share between them.

Ponder those numbers for a moment because they make up possibly the most grotesque ratio in the world economy today. Go through the 62 richest people and plenty of names jump out to show that any notions of meritocracy are a big fat lie. None of those 3.5 billion men, women, boys or girls will be born into a fortune such as that enjoyed by the Waltons of Walmart fame, in which just six people own $149bn. Nor will they ever get to be a Saudi royal such as Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, worth $26bn.

I could pull out plenty of other names giving the lie to the complacent notion that this is the era of the self-made plutocrat. The top of the money tree is still festooned with inheritances. Just look at the widow of chocolatier Michele Ferrero, Maria Franca Fissolo, who at 98 is the fifth wealthiest woman on the planet; the offspring of the Lidl and Aldi dynasties and the three Mars siblings who are worth $80bn. One doesn’t need to be a Bolshevik to see that many of the world’s super-rich are recipients of dumb luck, born into the right family at the right time.

But that grotesque index tells us that something else has gone badly wrong. At the start of this decade, 388 billionaires owned as much as half the world. By 2011, that number had plunged to 117. Last year, it had fallen to 80. In other words, in the five years since the world recession, the very richest have grown inexorably wealthier. And that’s not because the global economy is booming, as every worker on a pay freeze and every family seeing their benefits cut knows. It’s because we are living in a period of trickle-up economics, in which the middle- and working-classes have handed over money to those right at the very top.

The 80s were the decade of trickle-down economics, with Thatcher and Reagan cutting taxes for the richest and promising that everyone else – from Easington to Port Talbot, Pittsburgh to Milwaukee – would soon feel the benefits. By contrast the past half-decade has been about trickle-up economics, in which the world’s most powerful central bankers have launched policies that have been explicitly about boosting the fortunes of the richest. The disbursement of thousands of billions in quantitative easing both in the US and the UK from 2009 onwards was meant to raise asset prices – and assets are by definition in the hands of the wealthy.

No wonder the Bank of England admitted that 40% of the gains from its £375bn QE programme went to the top 5% of British households. No wonder Stanley Druckenmiller, the billionaire hedge fund manager, labelled QE: “The biggest redistribution of wealth from the middle-class and the poor to the rich ever.”

The figures prove him right. According to the Berkeley economist Emmanuel Saez, between 2009 and 2012 the top 1% of American households took 91 cents out of each extra dollar that the country earned. The other 99% of Americans had to share the remaining 9 cents between them.

This didn’t happen in a fit of absent-mindedness. Rather, decades of burgeoning inequality – of the Davos set scooping more and more of the gains from growth – have enabled the super-rich to pretend that their narrow sectional interests are what’s good for the world economy. Policies as manifestly unfair as QE would never have happened in a fairer economy – the UK and US would have relied instead on public investment and government programmes.

Massive inequality has allowed the 1% to buy political influence as never before in postwar history. Indeed, the super-rich now practically write their own tax laws – such as the way senior executives of Britain’s biggest businesses were invited by George Osborne to advise on overhauling corporation taxes. They get to ensure that tax havens are treated with due leniency, all the better to hide their trillions in them. They buy their own politicians, as with the shadow-bankers who funded the Conservative election campaign or the billionaire Koch brothers using their fortune to tip the US presidential contest. Indeed, the more ambitious decide to become politicians. Think not just of Donald Trump but former bond trader turned media mogul turned mayor of New York Michael Bloomberg.

The great mistake made by the mainstream left and right, even by NGOs such as Oxfam, is in imagining that the super-rich, now enjoying such massive riches, are somehow playing by the same rules as the rest of us. That they are “wealth creators” providing jobs and investment for the rest of us, or that they might give up their tax havens. If that ever were the case, it isn’t now. A tiny minority has gained from massive tax cuts and legislative leniency about where they shove their money. They have siphoned off gains in salaries and profits wherever possible and enjoyed hundreds of billions flowing into their asset markets. Meanwhile, the rest of us who provide the feedstock for their revenues see our welfare states hollowed out, our wages frozen and our employers failing to invest. But none of that matters very much in Davos.
 
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Moshe Ya'alon would rather Syria falls in the hands of ISIL than Iran.

And some would still ridicule me when I claim that ISIL is a false flag all by itself. ISIL attacked everybody BUT Israel, why? :eek:

....yeah funny that....

...and then there are the reports of ISIS fighters being treated in Israeli hospitals ( which has been described by Israeli officials as a humanitarian gesture towards their Arab neighbours in need....which sounds just like a typical Israeli response to their Arab neighbours don't it...)...

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blutto said:
.....and fyi the investigations into the previous vandalism has not to this date yielded any results....just a complete mystery....baffling really....real bafflying...

Cheers

not baffling. It is just a certain segment of society that engages in othering the outsider. In Israel's defense, the propensity for their citizens to do it, is prolly far less than most states in the West. And, especially since they are a quite militaristic society and their heads of State engage in othering different people they are in competition with foundation myths and blood and soil ownerwhip.

we all do this $h!t, no difference there.
 
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blutto said:
.....and fyi the investigations into the previous vandalism has not to this date yielded any results....just a complete mystery....baffling really....real bafflying...

Cheers

not baffling. It is just a certain segment of society that engages in othering the outsider. In Israel's defense, the propensity for their citizens to do it, is prolly far less than most states in the West. And, especially since they are a quite militaristic society and their heads of State engage in othering different people they are in competition with foundation myths and blood and soil ownerwhip.

we all do this $h!t, no difference there.

....no difference eh ?....like we all do this ?....so you are broadly making an equivalence btwn say Saudi Arabia and Switzerland....yeah that makes a lot of sense...good point...real good point...

...the point I was making wasn't it so much about the propensity of "some people" to single out the other for " special" treatment it was the lack of action on the part of the government to do anything about the action of "some people" ( assuming the government which in theory is supposed to represent the totality of the population and does not speak just for "some people" and defends their actions by doing nothing....the other option here is that the government is in fact acting on behalf of the totality of the population that matters and that in fact those "some people" are the totality of the population ....which doesn't paint a very pretty picture does it...)...

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is supposed to represent the totality of the population and does not speak just for "some people" and defends their actions by doing nothing....the other option here is that the government is in fact acting on behalf of the totality of the population that matters and that in fact those "some people" are the totality of the population ....which doesn't paint a very pretty picture does it...)...

it indeed does not paint a nice cosmopolitan picture, I aint denying this.
 
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Moshe Ya'alon would rather Syria falls in the hands of ISIL than Iran.

And some would still ridicule me when I claim that ISIL is a false flag all by itself. ISIL attacked everybody BUT Israel, why? :eek:

Oh absolutely! I'm prepared to mock you all day and all year for this kind of stupidity. The notion that Daesh is Israeli supported and/or sponsored belongs to the realm of people whom I choose to call, conspirabaggers, most of whom occupy the far right, but a handful of whom are also to be found on the far left. Honestly, anyone who believes this kind of abject bullsh!t is just pitiful.

Your evidence is that they haven't attacked Israel. Just mull over, in your medieval mind, how deeply, how awesomely, idiotic and flawed that is as 'evidence'.
 
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Moshe Ya'alon would rather Syria falls in the hands of ISIL than Iran.

And some would still ridicule me when I claim that ISIL is a false flag all by itself. ISIL attacked everybody BUT Israel, why? :eek:

Yeah you are onto NOTHING but keep on making us some donkey scat.
 
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Echoes said:
Moshe Ya'alon would rather Syria falls in the hands of ISIL than Iran.

And some would still ridicule me when I claim that ISIL is a false flag all by itself. ISIL attacked everybody BUT Israel, why? :eek:

Oh absolutely! I'm prepared to mock you all day and all year for this kind of stupidity. The notion that Daesh is Israeli supported and/or sponsored belongs to the realm of people whom I choose to call, conspirabaggers, most of whom occupy the far right, but a handful of whom are also to be found on the far left. Honestly, anyone who believes this kind of abject bullsh!t is just pitiful.

Your evidence is that they haven't attacked Israel. Just mull over, in your medieval mind, how deeply, how awesomely, idiotic and flawed that is as 'evidence'.

....please square the following circle for me please....first we have a headline from the Washington Post Echoes referred to and then a supporting paragraph ( just in case anyone thinks the headline was an attention grabber not supported by the actual story )....

"Israeli defense minister: If I had to choose between Iran and ISIS, I’d choose ISIS."

"Speaking at the Institute for National Security Studies' (INSS) conference in Tel Aviv on Jan. 19, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon made a bold statement: If he had to choose between Iran and the Islamic State, he told the audience, he'd "choose ISIS."

Cheers
 
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blutto said:
Amsterhammer said:
Echoes said:
Moshe Ya'alon would rather Syria falls in the hands of ISIL than Iran.

And some would still ridicule me when I claim that ISIL is a false flag all by itself. ISIL attacked everybody BUT Israel, why? :eek:

Oh absolutely! I'm prepared to mock you all day and all year for this kind of stupidity. The notion that Daesh is Israeli supported and/or sponsored belongs to the realm of people whom I choose to call, conspirabaggers, most of whom occupy the far right, but a handful of whom are also to be found on the far left. Honestly, anyone who believes this kind of abject bullsh!t is just pitiful.

Your evidence is that they haven't attacked Israel. Just mull over, in your medieval mind, how deeply, how awesomely, idiotic and flawed that is as 'evidence'.

....please square the following circle for me please....first we have a headline from the Washington Post echoes referred to and then a supporting paragraph ( just in case anyone thinks the headline was an attention grabber not supported by the actual story )....

"Israeli defense minister: If I had to choose between Iran and ISIS, I’d choose ISIS."

"Speaking at the Institute for National Security Studies' (INSS) conference in Tel Aviv on Jan. 19, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon made a bold statement: If he had to choose between Iran and the Islamic State, he told the audience, he'd "choose ISIS."

Cheers

Not to dampen the mood, I don't think that means they are supporting ISIS and that ISIS will not eventually turn their caliphate to Israel. Just my take on it.
So the Israelis fear the atomic capabilities more than some IED's? NO way.
 
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