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the situation in and around syria continues to confuse...

it is an old news now, that turkey had made a claim yesterday a russian fighter plane violated its airspace yet again. within hours the russian defense ministry denied it in a rather sarcastic manner making along some fun of the 'military amateurs' who don't know how a radar works and who had watched too many hollywood movies. today, the pentagon had 'stood by' the turkish claims. who is telling the truth as the reality could be only one - it either happened or it didn't.

the answer may be, just may be in the furious maneuvering taking place around the un-sponsored syria negotiations.

the saudi and turkey sponsored rebel group which was invited and which supposedly conditioned their presence on certain preconditions had said this morning they are coming but will leave within 48 hours if the preconditions aren't addressed. according to the rebels themselves, they were promised a solution by the un sponsor (de mistura), but many commentators reasonably point out the real solution to the rebel ultimatum is in the hands of russia and america - the sponsors of the un conference.

the key issue is that the syrian govt troops with russian air support continue blockading several rebel groups. the rebels demand lifting the sieges which the russians and the govt say would be a legit topic for negotiations and they reject the preconditions.

could the air plane incident be designed as a pressure point on one of the stake holders ?

....and in related news, though mysteriously minus any outrage or sanctimonious foot stomping from the Western msm..... :rolleyes:
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" Turkish jet fighters violated the Greek airspace and were intercepted, according to Greece’s defense minister. The incident took place on the anniversary of the end of the 1996 Greek-Turkish crisis.


On Thursday, Turkish jets violated the Greek airspace while Greek military commanders were laying flowers at the Imia islets where Greek servicemen were killed during the conflict 20 years ago, Minister of National Defense Panos Kammenos said.


Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160129/1033934927/turkish-jets-greek-airspace.html#ixzz3ypaTKI3M
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....just sayin' eh...

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that was an interesting blog, blutto. if the author is indeed menachem begin's son, his opinion should be at least well informed...

though, i try to stay informed on the syrian military situation, i never read about the azaz pocket...had to fetch a good map to make sense of it. btw, i used to use the maps and updates provided by the institute for study of war. dont repeat my mistake. pls. frankly, after some period i came to the conclusion they are a fake, heavily partisan group masquerading under an academically sounding title. sort of similar, but to a lesser degree, as the frequently quoted syrian observatory for human rights. both have nothing to do with objective analysis or reporting. anyways, here's a military map i found objective and up-to-date. the kurdish plans and the azaz pocket could be easily seen.
http://www.shoutwiki.com/w/images/acloserlookonsyria/7/7b/Situation_in_Syria.png

also, the following article in the guardian imo was a good summary on the difficulties in the syria UN-sponsored talks scheduled for today
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/29/syria-hopes-for-peace-look-slim-ahead-un-brokered-talks

how old would MB's son be? 70-80?

I did MB have a very young wife in comparison to his age?
 
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"Syria: 'Negotiations' Over Insurgency's Northern Supply Route Concluded

By Moon Of Alabama

February 03, 2016 "Information Clearing House" - "Moon Of Alabama" - Good news from Syria. The battlefield 'negotiations' over the insurgency's supply route to the north were successfully concluded.

After nearly four years the siege on Nubl and Zahraa has been lifted. The northern supply route from insurgency held areas in Aleppo province and Aleppo city to Turkey has been severed."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44123.htm

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....further thoughts on the above post....

.... if the supply lines are indeed cut and the rebels are left in a very untenable position I wonder where they will retreat to....and what they will do when they get there...

....Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Europe could potentially be facing a uhhh difficult near future....

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python said:
a possible answer to your question, fwiw

Turkey Planning Military Invasion in Syria - Russian Defense Ministry

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160204/1034221247/turkey-syria-military-invasion.html#ixzz3zDKVdRIT

....at that point the Russians arm the Kurds and lets them go.....and frankly that will end up really hurting Turkey even if Turkey finally prevails....

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i am not knowledgeable enough (as if any of us, the side observers are) nor do i have a dog in syria, but i can't see how turkey would *prevail* if they invaded syria.

imo, it would be a grave error for which turkey would pay dearly unless it was a part of some kind of a us/nato/'arab allies' ground op being contemplated. in that regard, quite curious was the saudi announcement today they are ready to contribute their boots in syria if lead by the us which was instantly welcomed by the pentagon.

the turkey and saudi designs in syria are naked and easy to read.... furious of and perturbed by the assad gov't advances against 'rebels' (and yet powerless to supply their proxies b/c of them being cut off), the only tenable option left to them would be a direct invasion...hence, the saudi threats and the turkish posturing as if there are any examples that vlad could be be intimidated.

in fact, it seems the vlad sly calculus is exactly that - to draw the impulsive sultan into a syria trap. a while back i already posited that those intrusions into a turkish airspace were too numerous to be accidental as there was nothing random about the last 'violation'... i reckon, the vlad aim would be to exploit the eu insecurity (refugees etc) and the nato fear of a 'loose cannon' turkey drawing the alliance into a hot conflict for its narrow, domestic agenda.

we have a still warm precedent in iraq when the turks w/o the us/nato concurrence introduced some troops 'to train' peshmerga' making the iraqi govt furious. those troops as far as we know were withdrawn.

erdogan is still at war with his turkish kurds domestically. if he foolishly plunges into syria, there is a guarantee a triple whammy is awaiting: the assad army, the syrian kurds and the ever seeking their revenge russians.

if the nato wigs aren't aware of the consequences, they aren't worth much...
 
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I'd like to take this moment to remember Giulio Regeni, Cambridge doctoral candidate, who was brutally tortured to death for reporting the deplorable conditions of the Egyptian proletariat.

....a terrible situation and btw murdered by a regime whose installation owes much to the then Merikan Secretary of State ( a geopolitical move that I suppose is part of the vast pragmatic experience schtick she is selling these days.)....lest we forget....

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rhubroma said:
I'd like to take this moment to remember Giulio Regeni, Cambridge doctoral candidate, who was brutally tortured to death for reporting the deplorable conditions of the Egyptian proletariat.

....a terrible situation and btw murdered by a regime whose installation owes much to the then Merikan Secretary of State ( a geopolitical move that I suppose is part of the vast pragmatic experience schtick she is selling these days.)....lest we forget....

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So much for fortuitous "regime change" and Egypt's throwback to military dictatorship...but everybody loves el-Sisi, so it's all good.

Egypt is propped up by massive injections of aid of more than $25 billion from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, as well as the U.S. and other wealthy countries, which thus continue to do business as usual with el-Sisi's authoritarian regime.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...giulio-regeni-egypt-academic-freedom-students
 
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blutto said:
rhubroma said:
I'd like to take this moment to remember Giulio Regeni, Cambridge doctoral candidate, who was brutally tortured to death for reporting the deplorable conditions of the Egyptian proletariat.

....a terrible situation and btw murdered by a regime whose installation owes much to the then Merikan Secretary of State ( a geopolitical move that I suppose is part of the vast pragmatic experience schtick she is selling these days.)....lest we forget....

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So much for fortuitous "regime change" and Egypt's throwback to military dictatorship...but everybody loves el-Sisi, so it's all good.

Egypt is propped up by massive injections of aid of more than $25 billion from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, as well as the U.S. and other wealthy countries, which thus continue to do business as usual with el-Sisi's authoritarian regime.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...giulio-regeni-egypt-academic-freedom-students

....fortuitous indeed....that was one of most amazing magic acts ever....the MSM played the script perfectly and everything was covered up, papered over, cleaned up and shined-up-ready-to-go in a scant few days....the real story just went poof and disappeared and right in front of all the world to see...can you imagine how much work went into choreographing that...

....and then they replayed it in Maidan Square....

...mind boggling, just mind boggling....there it was, gone !.....

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[quote="rhubromaSo much for fortuitous "regime change" and Egypt's throwback to military dictatorship...but everybody loves el-Sisi, so it's all good.
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Demago and hypo, you supported Charlie Hebdo that supported the coup. You are simply always on the "good" side. You never take any risk. You just disgust me.
 
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[quote="rhubromaSo much for fortuitous "regime change" and Egypt's throwback to military dictatorship...but everybody loves el-Sisi, so it's all good.

Demago and hypo, you supported Charlie Hebdo that supported the coup. You are simply always on the "good" side. You never take any risk. You just disgust me.[/quote]

I support rational secularism. You support the most idiotic form of conservative obscurantism. So I leave it up for others to judge who's disgusting.
 
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[quote="rhubromaSo much for fortuitous "regime change" and Egypt's throwback to military dictatorship...but everybody loves el-Sisi, so it's all good.

Demago and hypo, you supported Charlie Hebdo that supported the coup. You are simply always on the "good" side. You never take any risk. You just disgust me.

I support rational secularism. You support the most idiotic form of conservative obscurantism. So I leave it up for others to judge who's disgusting.[/quote]

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....was rummaging around trying to figure out the bolded above....and ran into the following, which seemed rather weird since Hayek is one of those things confused conservatives ( libertarians? conservatives in denial ?) like to wave in your face ( much like confused friends/acquaintances of workers used to wave Marx in your face )....

"In the essay “"Why I Am Not a Conservative” (1960), the economist Friedrich von Hayek said the political conservatism is ideologically unrealistic, because of the conservative person’s inability to adapt to changing human realities and refusal to offer a positive political program that benefits everyone in a society. In that context."

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I'm proud to be what Hayek is not.

For the younger readers who don't know him, let's remember that Hayek is the most libertarian economist in history. Heavily opposed to any kind of public intervention in the economy.

So if you don't agree with me, check who is your reference (provocation inside).

However there had been so many reforms since then that I can no longer consider myself a conservative. Mind you that would mean the conservation of ... gay marriage or of the European Union.

I am a reactionary and assume it (and more and more youngsters turn reac around where I live or in France, e.g.; May '68 is coming to an end).
 
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i just read this exceptionally curious, several-day-old article...though the portal imo is credible, b/c the author referred to the ubiquitous 'anonymous sources', i mentally marked it 'for information only, no more'. plus, it varied too much from what kerry said publicly.

Kerry 'blames opposition' for continued Syria bombing
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/opposition-blame-syrian-bombing-kerry-tells-aid-workers-1808021537

then, from the same portal which i consider independent and neutral, i just read this:

US position on Syria tilts in favour of Russian intervention
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/us-position-syria-tilts-favour-russian-intervention-1555341698

not only the author sheds definitive light as to the hard reasons, the us position changed so drastically (basically, b/c most us weapons went to al qaeda and thepressure from the military and the cia), he also suggested some bitter pills will have to be swallowed by the turks and saudis.

if true, i want to credit obama for yet another rational step.
 
Echoes said:
I'm proud to be what Hayek is not.

For the younger readers who don't know him, let's remember that Hayek is the most libertarian economist in history. Heavily opposed to any kind of public intervention in the economy.

So if you don't agree with me, check who is your reference (provocation inside).

However there had been so many reforms since then that I can no longer consider myself a conservative. Mind you that would mean the conservation of ... gay marriage or of the European Union.

I am a reactionary and assume it (and more and more youngsters turn reac around where I live or in France, e.g.; May '68 is coming to an end).

What's wrong with gay marriage? I understand your opposition to the EU, but not gay marriage unless you think that God said marriage is between woman and man.
 
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"Turkey's Erdogan threatened to flood Europe with migrants: Greek website

Source: Reuters

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan threatened in November to flood Europe with migrants if European Union leaders did not offer him a better deal to help manage the Middle East refugee crisis, a Greek news website said on Monday.

Publishing what it said were minutes of a tense meeting last November, the euro2day.gr financial news website revealed deep mutual irritation and distrust in talks between Erdogan and the EU's two top officials, Jean-Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk.

The EU officials were trying to enlist Ankara's help in stemming an influx of Syrian refugees and migrants into Europe. Over a million arrived last year, most crossing the narrow sea gap between Turkey and islands belonging to EU member Greece.

Tusk's European Council and Juncker's European Commission declined to confirm or deny the authenticity of the document, and Erdogan's office in Ankara had no immediate comment.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-eu-turkey-idUSKCN0VH1R0

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In addition, Ankara threatened, that if the EU does not link the refugee issue to Turkey’s EU accession then it would:

1. Send buses full of refugees to Europe via Greece and Bulgaria and will let 10,000-15,000 refugees drown on its shores.

2. Turkey does not accept the 3 billion euro for two years he had agreed with and wants 3 billion a year at least, otherwise there will be no agreement.

3. Requests opening all accession funds soon and non instructions from the European Commission.

4. The European Commission deliberately delayed the publication of Turkey’s progress report, at the same Erdogan’s request to help him win the election.

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2016/02/08/turkey-blackmailed-eu-either-e3bn-per-year-eu-accession-or-we-send-buses-full-with-refugees-to-europe/ "


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Also Poland reinvestigating plane crash of 2011 which killed their president and a few other important people. Claims Russian involvement. New President is (very) right wing man from Law & Order party, who also happens to be the twin of the President who died. I can't imagine that there is any conflict of interest here, none that I can think of at least.
 
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Also Poland reinvestigating plane crash of 2011 which killed their president and a few other important people. Claims Russian involvement. New President is (very) right wing man from Law & Order party, who also happens to be the twin of the President who died. I can't imagine that there is any conflict of interest here, none that I can think of at least.

....yeah, one would have to be in the absolute thrall of the evil Putin to even think stuff like that...which leads directly to this...why exactly are you saying this and thinking like this.....are...you...in....the.... thrall...of.... Putin.....are you a closet Putin-lover.....?.....

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....this does not sound good does it ?....
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"On Sunday night, Israel’s Labor Party unanimously approved their leader’s diplomatic plan.

Labor’s premier Isaac Herzog laid out his vision a few weeks earlier at the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv, telling the audience that he “wish[es] to separate from as many Palestinians as possible, as quickly as possible.” Herzog continued by explaining that “we’ll erect a big wall between us. That is the kind of co-existence that is possible right now… Ariel Sharon… didn’t finish the job. We want to finish it, to complete the barrier that separates us.”

Examining Labor’s new plan more closely, what becomes bitterly clear is that “We are here, they are there” does not signify the withdrawal of Israeli power from Palestinian territories, but rather a devious way of entrenching the colonial enterprise even further.

Herzog’s underlying assumption is that under current conditions a two-state solution is impossible. He is, however, adamantly against a one state solution, whereby Jews and Palestinians live together as equals. His objective is to formulate a plan that guarantees the continued existence of a Jewish state, with about five million Palestinians living within its territory.‫

On the one hand, then, Israel should not take steps that would undermine the two-state solution, because sustaining the two-state chimera is crucial for preventing the alternative: a democratic state between the Jordan Valley and Mediterranean where Palestinians, like Jews, enjoy full citizenship. On the other hand, Herzog realizes that the two-state solution is no longer an option. He therefore lays out the blueprint of a plan that is in effect an Apartheid regime.

The specifics informing the plan, which the Labor Party approved, are not really new, but the fact that they have been outlined in writing is another crucial step in the consolidation and legitimization of Apartheid rule





The Labor Party, which is the only viable alternative to the current Likud government, and which is considered by many both in Israel and among international leaders to be a progressive substitute, has, in other words, unanimously supported a plan that would have been applauded by Apartheid South Africa.

Given this reality, it does not seem likely that a just solution to the Palestinian plight will come from within Israel. Indeed, at this historical juncture, international pressure is perhaps the only hope and is desperately needed.



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http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/09/israeli-labor-party-adopts-the-apartheid-mantra/


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....a very interesting article that looks at the patent prior to TPP and at some of the forces that were behind that decidedly undemocratic adventure ....

....the article is called How Corporations Killed Medicine. and the author is not kidding...
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"“Letters patent,” meaning open letters, were issued in 14th century England to induce foreign craftsmen to relocate there. Attempts to coordinate global intellectual property rules led to the 1883 Paris Convention and the 1886 Berne Convention, and eventually to the creation of the United Nations’ World Intellectual Property Organization in 1967. But nations who signed on to those agreements retained the ability to determine the length of patents and what products would be covered. For many nations, that flexibility meant excluding medicines from patent protection. For example, Germany’s patent law of 1877 labeled medicines as “essential goods,” along with food and chemicals, and prohibited any attempts to patent them.

In the middle of the 20th century, several post-colonial nations adopted similar laws. India’s patent law extended only to the processes for creating medicines, not the drugs themselves. The law opened the door for Indian pharmaceutical manufacturers to reverse-engineer patented drugs and then devise different, cheaper production methods. India soon became known as “the pharmacy of the developing world.” Brazil, Mexico, and other Central and South American countries also adopted limits on the patentability of medicines.

European countries like Italy and Sweden didn’t grant pharmaceutical patents until the 1970s, and Spain refused to do so until 1992. Even when medicine patents were given, many nations granted liberal access to compulsory licenses for patented drugs, meaning that generic manufacturers were free to make the drugs and pay a royalty to the patent holders. During the period between 1962 and 1992, Canada granted 613 licenses to import or manufacture pharmaceutical products.

As commerce became increasingly global, this state of affairs deeply concerned pharmaceutical companies. Over time, an industry that once competed on the basis of manufacturing innovation and price had come to rely on the profits of patent monopolies. At one time in the mid-20th century, for example, Pfizer drew a full 33 percent of its global sales from just two patented drugs. So — as extensively chronicled in Peter Drahos’ and John Braithwaite’s 2002 book, Information Feudalism: Who Owns the Knowledge Economy? — Pfizer took the lead in an ambitious campaign to create a global system of intellectual property protection: an enclosure of essential medicines."

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"But there was little in the way of binding international law to back up that position. So the industry pushed directly for the U.S. government to make intellectual property protection a priority in all trade negotiations. Of course, inserting monopoly patent rights into trade agreements runs counter to those agreements’ stated purpose of dismantling barriers to global competition. Yet the pharmaceutical industry, reliably at the top of the list in both lobbying expenditures and political campaign contributionsin the United States, quickly found willing partners on Capitol Hill and in the White House. The U.S. soon adopted intellectual property protection as a litmus test for its trade partners."

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"In fact, a decade ago, U.S. economist Dean Baker crunched the numbers and estimated that the U.S. could save over $140 billion a year if its health systems could provide medicines without the artificial mark-up imposed by monopoly patents. That money could fund the replacement of all private industry research and development several times over, while still leaving billions of dollars in remaining public benefit. A significant source of those savings derives from eliminating the for-profit pharmaceutical companies’ expenses on marketing, a cost that exceeds their investment in research and development. As it happens, there are more efficient uses of resources than funding television ads for erectile dysfunction drugs."

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/09/how-corporations-killed-medicine/

....and this situation has produced an economic situation that makes the medical industrial complex among the most profitable enterprises of all time....see below its quite astonishing actually....in fact, Martin Shkreli, the recently disgraced drug baron is not an outlier here he is more or less the norm, he just didn't have as much political cover....

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28212223

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...things are getting weird in Israel, first Labour loses its collective mind and then there are the wild beasts...maybe the two are related...?....
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"Netanyahu plans fence around Israel to protect it from 'wild beasts'

Source: The Guardian

Binyamin Netanyahu has announced his intention to “surround all of Israel with a fence” to protect the country from infiltration by both Palestinians and the citizens of surrounding Arab states, whom he described as “wild beasts”.

The Israeli prime minister unveiled the proposal during a tour of the Jordan border area in Israel’s south, adding that the project – which would cost billions of shekels – would also be aimed at solving the problem of Hamas infiltration tunnels from Gaza, a recent source of renewed concern.

He called the border project a part of a “multi-year plan to surround Israel with security fences to protect ourselves in the current and projected Middle East”.

Describing the need for new walls and fences on Tuesday, Netanyahu said: “In our neighbourhood, we need to protect ourselves from wild beasts.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/10/netanyahu-plans-fence-around-israel-to-protect-it-from-wild-beasts

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