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[blutto]

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...things look pretty bad in brussels. per the euronews latest count 22 dead and over 50 injured in the terror attacks.

The number dead now at 26 and expected to rise. This whole thing is depressing as hell. Brussels is in total lockdown, no public transport running, the airport shut, Eurostar train not running, museums closed, hundreds of soldiers on their way into the city, people told to stay where they are.

34 now reported deceased. Flemish friends are saying the airport bomber detonated at the American Airlines check in desk.

It's crazy. It looks like the bomber on the metro detonated inside a crowded train. Now they're saying some of the people involved in these attacks may still be at large. A few days ago authorities discovered a huge weapons cache in an apartment in Brussels. Apparently they were planning an attack like the one in Paris. Investigators are saying some of these guys are in Belgium direct from combat in Syria.

....wonderful, just forking wonderful....I guess this is one of the problems when you weaponize religious zealotry/insanity....so the solution is two fold, first try to get the genie back in the bottle, second, find the cabal of idiots who thought it was a great idea to let the genie out in the first place, and then find a long enough wall...HRC and the group she represents should be so proud of the work they have done ...

Cheers

 

[python]

...just overheard that at least 3 terrorists are from the former soviet countries..

i wonder if the terror act would take such a terrible scale if nato did not suspend all its intelligence and anti terror exchange with vlad-the-terrible as a punishment for the ukrainian putsch nato supported

 

[Maxiton]

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....wonderful, just forking wonderful....I guess this is one of the problems when you weaponize religious zealotry/insanity....so the solution is two fold, first try to get the genie back in the bottle, second, find the cabal of idiots who thought it was a great idea to let the genie out in the first place, and then find a long enough wall...HRC and the group she represents should be so proud of the work they have done ...

Cheers

Pretty good summary. You have a guaranteed place in my cabinet, blutto. No, not the liquor cabinet, the other one. Minister of Common Sense, with the Decency portfolio.

...just overheard that at least 3 terrorists are from the former soviet countries..

i wonder if the terror act would take such a terrible scale if nato did not suspend all its intelligence and anti terror exchange with vlad-the-terrible as a punishment for the ukrainian putsch nato supported

Good point. I'll be needing a Minister of Intelligence, too, if you're interested.

 

[Amsterhammer]

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...just overheard that at least 3 terrorists are from the former soviet countries..

i wonder if the terror act would take such a terrible scale if nato did not suspend all its intelligence and anti terror exchange with vlad-the-terrible as a punishment for the ukrainian putsch nato supported

American denies that an explosion took place at their check-in desk. Witnesses heard gunfire and Arabic shouting before the explosion, and an unexploded bomb vest and Kalashnikov were found.

 

[blutto]

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...just overheard that at least 3 terrorists are from the former soviet countries..

i wonder if the terror act would take such a terrible scale if nato did not suspend all its intelligence and anti terror exchange with vlad-the-terrible as a punishment for the ukrainian putsch nato supported

....if that proves to be the case terribly ironic....but "you reap what you sow" often times don't you...

Cheers

 

[Amsterhammer]

 

[python]

Re: Re:

...just overheard that at least 3 terrorists are from the former soviet countries..

i wonder if the terror act would take such a terrible scale if nato did not suspend all its intelligence and anti terror exchange with vlad-the-terrible as a punishment for the ukrainian putsch nato supported

....if that proves to be the case terribly ironic....but "you reap what you sow" often times don't you...

Cheers

KGB of Belarus confirmed the information about possible organizers of the terrorist attack in Brussels

http://rushincrash.com/forces/kgb-of-belarus-confirmed-the-information-about-possible-organizers-of-the-terrorist-attack-in-brussels/

The state security Committee (KGB) of Belarus has information about a possible terrorist attack on Brussels. This was stated press Secretary of the KGB Dmitry Pomarin, reports LifeNews.

Earlier, a source in the intelligence services announced the channel that the probable organizers of the terrorist attack are militants of the “Islamic state” brothers Ivan and Alexey Dobashi (citizens of Belarus). They are at the end of February 2016 went from Belarus to the territory of Belgium accompanied by compatriot Marat Yunusov

@Max
i'd be a terrible spook but be ok with the defence portfolio (in a shadow cabinet)

 

[Beech Mtn]

Condolences to blutto on the passing of his homeland's most famous mayor.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re: Re:

...things look pretty bad in brussels. per the euronews latest count 22 dead and over 50 injured in the terror attacks.

The number dead now at 26 and expected to rise. This whole thing is depressing as hell. Brussels is in total lockdown, no public transport running, the airport shut, Eurostar train not running, museums closed, hundreds of soldiers on their way into the city, people told to stay where they are.

34 now reported deceased. Flemish friends are saying the airport bomber detonated at the American Airlines check in desk.

It's crazy. It looks like the bomber on the metro detonated inside a crowded train. Now they're saying some of the people involved in these attacks may still be at large. A few days ago authorities discovered a huge weapons cache in an apartment in Brussels. Apparently they were planning an attack like the one in Paris. Investigators are saying some of these guys are in Belgium direct from combat in Syria.

....wonderful, just forking wonderful....I guess this is one of the problems when you weaponize religious zealotry/insanity....so the solution is two fold, first try to get the genie back in the bottle, second, find the cabal of idiots who thought it was a great idea to let the genie out in the first place, and then find a long enough wall...Bush and the group he represented should be so proud of the work they have done ...

Cheers

FIFY

 

[hfer07]

have the authorities found already the terrorists "passports" near the explosions premises ??

 

[blutto]

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....wonderful, just forking wonderful....I guess this is one of the problems when you weaponize religious zealotry/insanity....so the solution is two fold, first try to get the genie back in the bottle, second, find the cabal of idiots who thought it was a great idea to let the genie out in the first place, and then find a long enough wall...Bush and the group he represented should be so proud of the work they have done ...

Cheers[/quote]

FIFY[/quote]

....thank you....but....

Hillary is a staunch neocon whose record of favoring American war adventures explains much of our current security danger.

Just as the last Clinton presidency set the stage for financial collapse, it also set the stage for unending war. On October 31, 1998 President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act that made it official US policy to support "regime change" in Iraq.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/05/hillary-candidate-war-machine

....Bush was just a hapless water carrier....and you really have to give credit where credit is due, its only fair....

....as for the original use of HRC it was in reference to her magnificent job in Libya which morphed into Syria which neatly morphed into the Belgian bombing ( Bush was nowhere around for those , I believe he was painting portraiture in his basement...)....

Cheers

 

[Maxiton]

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American denies that an explosion took place at their check-in desk. Witnesses heard gunfire and Arabic shouting before the explosion, and an unexploded bomb vest and Kalashnikov were found.

According to investigators, these three men are the suspects. The two in black are thought to be dead. The man in white is now being sought in a manhunt.

Also, an unexploded bomb in luggage was found in the airport, in addition to the unexploded vest and Kalashnikov mentioned previously.

 

[sniper]

the political reactions are dumb as ever.
"we will win the war against the terrorists"
"they will not succeed in destroying the values of western civilization"
etc.

 

[python]

Re:

the political reactions are dumb as ever.
"we will win the war against the terrorists"
"they will not succeed in destroying the values of western civilization"
etc.

yep, not only dumb, but very unfortunately, in contradiction of the facts the barbarians sought to achieve...look at france. the democracy for all intents and purposes has been suspended... i dont really object the measure, but can't help to notice it is not exactly a symptom of the thriving western civilization.

then again, the spirit of the declarations is right. it just has to go beyond, far beyond the feel-good statements.

 

[42x16ss]

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....wonderful, just forking wonderful....I guess this is one of the problems when you weaponize religious zealotry/insanity....so the solution is two fold, first try to get the genie back in the bottle, second, find the cabal of idiots who thought it was a great idea to let the genie out in the first place, and then find a long enough wall...Bush and the group he represented should be so proud of the work they have done ...

Cheers

FIFY[/quote]

....thank you....but....

Hillary is a staunch neocon whose record of favoring American war adventures explains much of our current security danger.

Just as the last Clinton presidency set the stage for financial collapse, it also set the stage for unending war. On October 31, 1998 President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act that made it official US policy to support "regime change" in Iraq.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/05/hillary-candidate-war-machine

....Bush was just a hapless water carrier....and you really have to give credit where credit is due, its only fair....

....as for the original use of HRC it was in reference to her magnificent job in Libya which morphed into Syria which neatly morphed into the Belgian bombing ( Bush was nowhere around for those , I believe he was painting portraiture in his basement...)....

Cheers[/quote]
And this is the issue with US Foreign Policy - their interventions are short sighted, and often come back to bite everyone tenfold. Both Republican and Democrat presidents have been equally guilty, right up to Obama. However because he's had so much success on the domestic front he gets a free pass on the foreign front...

Sure, the USA isn't the sole contributor to anti western sentiment but it's a major one. They've given these nutcases too much leeway in the past and now the real colours are coming out.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re: Re:

....wonderful, just forking wonderful....I guess this is one of the problems when you weaponize religious zealotry/insanity....so the solution is two fold, first try to get the genie back in the bottle, second, find the cabal of idiots who thought it was a great idea to let the genie out in the first place, and then find a long enough wall...Bush and the group he represented should be so proud of the work they have done ...

Cheers

FIFY[/quote]

....thank you....but....

Hillary is a staunch neocon whose record of favoring American war adventures explains much of our current security danger.

Just as the last Clinton presidency set the stage for financial collapse, it also set the stage for unending war. On October 31, 1998 President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act that made it official US policy to support "regime change" in Iraq.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/05/hillary-candidate-war-machine

....Bush was just a hapless water carrier....and you really have to give credit where credit is due, its only fair....

....as for the original use of HRC it was in reference to her magnificent job in Libya which morphed into Syria which neatly morphed into the Belgian bombing ( Bush was nowhere around for those , I believe he was painting portraiture in his basement...)....

Cheers[/quote]

First, HRC worked for the POTUS, she, as SecState is an advisor. Second, Libya, and Syria and ISIL is a direct result of dissolving the really neat Sunni counter to Shite Iran, in Iraq. When bush tried to make Iraq into a democracy like Illinois, and dissolved this country that led directly to things like Egypt and Libya dissolving...in 2002/3..when HRC was a.....c'mon you can google her..Putting a puppet in power in Iraq(a shite) and marginalizing the large Sunni population..THAT led to ISIL/Daesh..NOT Clinton as an advisor many years later.

You may have read about Iraq, it was in all the papers. The bomb making factory in Belgium had a ISIL flag..

Facts are facts, even your boy herr donald agrees.

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

....wonderful, just forking wonderful....I guess this is one of the problems when you weaponize religious zealotry/insanity....so the solution is two fold, first try to get the genie back in the bottle, second, find the cabal of idiots who thought it was a great idea to let the genie out in the first place, and then find a long enough wall...Bush and the group he represented should be so proud of the work they have done ...

Cheers

FIFY

....thank you....but....

Hillary is a staunch neocon whose record of favoring American war adventures explains much of our current security danger.

Just as the last Clinton presidency set the stage for financial collapse, it also set the stage for unending war. On October 31, 1998 President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act that made it official US policy to support "regime change" in Iraq.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/05/hillary-candidate-war-machine

....Bush was just a hapless water carrier....and you really have to give credit where credit is due, its only fair....

....as for the original use of HRC it was in reference to her magnificent job in Libya which morphed into Syria which neatly morphed into the Belgian bombing ( Bush was nowhere around for those , I believe he was painting portraiture in his basement...)....

Cheers[/quote]

First, HRC worked for the POTUS, she, as SecState is an advisor. Second, Libya, and Syria and ISIL is a direct result of dissolving the really neat Sunni counter to Shite Iran, in Iraq. When bush tried to make Iraq into a democracy like Illinois, and dissolved this country that led directly to things like Egypt and Libya dissolving...in 2002/3..when HRC was a.....c'mon you can google her..Putting a puppet in power in Iraq(a shite) and marginalizing the large Sunni population..THAT led to ISIL/Daesh..NOT Clinton as an advisor many years later.

You may have read about Iraq, it was in all the papers. The bomb making factory in Belgium had a ISIL flag..

Facts are facts, even your boy herr donald agrees.[/quote]

....here is a simple undisputable fact, herr donald is not my boy....and unfortunately much of your attendant, uhhh, analysis has similar problems, read, its dead wrong...

.....as for the idea that HRC was just a quiet little advisor offering up gems of wisdom to anyone that would listen is contradicted at the very least by the resume she is using to sell herself as the best candidate for president...that resume, last I checked, pivots real hard on all the experience that she apparently has doing stuff, you know, like of the we came we saw he died variety....and nowhere in that vast experience pool have I seen anything that says, Iraq is a bad idea, supporting a coup in Honduras is a bad idea, the Libyan intervention is a bad idea, Syria is a bad idea, the glorious revolution is a bad idea....quite the contrary, she was usually at the very head of the parade leading to those disasters...

Cheers

 

[Echoes]

Re:

the political reactions are dumb as ever.
"we will win the war against the terrorists"
"they will not succeed in destroying the values of western civilization"
etc.

Or rather hypocrite as ever. This Western civilization values may as well be destroyed for me. They soon will. I am in Brussels. I regularly take the metro. From home to get downtown, I take the metro and can't get around Maelbeek. I often passed by it a few years ago in rush hours. Fortunately I no longer work downtown. Two lines pass by Maelbeek from outskirts to town. Mine is a line with rather old trains and the other always has modern trains. It's an old train that was hit (though it's unclear whether the train went from outskirt to town but I'm pretty sure it did). I could've been there but sorry for those who hate me, it'll be for another time...

My ideas haven't changed since the attacks. I still have Muslim friends who "fundamentally" believe in their set of values. I still don't feel any hatred towards them. Rather the self-proclaimed "guarantors of civilization" should rather reflect on their responsabilities in the chaos that they created. For what I've been through yesterday (check if family is okay, reassuring the mother, etc.) is what the ordinary citizens of Benghazi went through 4 years ago after the NATO bombing. Those people were ordinary civilians, as innocent as the people in Zaventem & Maelbeek. Same for the victims of the "Civilisation"'s drones in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We are hated in those areas and by people who have good reasons to. I have long accepted that I were in the Lion's den. I've long accepted that we could not waged wars overseas on "savage" countries without having blows ourselves. But it's the "Civilization" that invented war methods involving the mass killing of civilians and not the "other" world. I can go all the way back to Dresden (and other bombings in Europe during WWII), Hiroshima, Agent Orange & Napalm in South East Asia, Depleted Uranium in the Iraq and Yugoslavia, etc. Now it's boomeranged against us but who stroke first? Which moral lessons are we entitled to teach the whole world? I know the reaction that this comment would trigger: "culture of excuse", "self-denigration", "apologies". Be it, then! I have a clear conscience. My government do not protect me from terrorism and I have no reason to "stand unite" against that terrorism. I don't believe them. Among the local public services, they do their jobs but in a high up position, they are just irresponsible. I've lost trust in them.

By the way all the show of insincere support to the Belgian people (usually coming from openly assumed Islamophobes) make me vomit. For those whose care is sincere, it's appreciated. But if you were true to yourself you'd admit that you wouldn't bother much until it really happens close to you. Stop saying "it's horrible", blabla..

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re: Re:

....wonderful, just forking wonderful....I guess this is one of the problems when you weaponize religious zealotry/insanity....so the solution is two fold, first try to get the genie back in the bottle, second, find the cabal of idiots who thought it was a great idea to let the genie out in the first place, and then find a long enough wall...Bush and the group he represented should be so proud of the work they have done ...

Cheers

FIFY

....thank you....but....

Hillary is a staunch neocon whose record of favoring American war adventures explains much of our current security danger.

Just as the last Clinton presidency set the stage for financial collapse, it also set the stage for unending war. On October 31, 1998 President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act that made it official US policy to support "regime change" in Iraq.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/05/hillary-candidate-war-machine

....Bush was just a hapless water carrier....and you really have to give credit where credit is due, its only fair....

....as for the original use of HRC it was in reference to her magnificent job in Libya which morphed into Syria which neatly morphed into the Belgian bombing ( Bush was nowhere around for those , I believe he was painting portraiture in his basement...)....

Cheers

First, HRC worked for the POTUS, she, as SecState is an advisor. Second, Libya, and Syria and ISIL is a direct result of dissolving the really neat Sunni counter to Shite Iran, in Iraq. When bush tried to make Iraq into a democracy like Illinois, and dissolved this country that led directly to things like Egypt and Libya dissolving...in 2002/3..when HRC was a.....c'mon you can google her..Putting a puppet in power in Iraq(a shite) and marginalizing the large Sunni population..THAT led to ISIL/Daesh..NOT Clinton as an advisor many years later.

You may have read about Iraq, it was in all the papers. The bomb making factory in Belgium had a ISIL flag..

Facts are facts, even your boy herr donald agrees.[/quote]

....here is a simple undisputable fact, herr donald is not my boy....and unfortunately much of your attendant, uhhh, analysis has similar problems, read, its dead wrong...

.....as for the idea that HRC was just a quiet little advisor offering up gems of wisdom to anyone that would listen is contradicted at the very least by the resume she is using to sell herself as the best candidate for president...that resume, last I checked, pivots real hard on all the experience that she apparently has doing stuff, you know, like of the we came we saw he died variety....and nowhere in that vast experience pool have I seen anything that says, Iraq is a bad idea, supporting a coup in Honduras is a bad idea, the Libyan intervention is a bad idea, Syria is a bad idea, the glorious revolution is a bad idea....quite the contrary, she was usually at the very head of the parade leading to those disasters...

Cheers[/quote]

Not exactly...

Your timeline is way off, the 'mess' started in 2002/3..5-6 years before Obama was even elected. PLUS, do a little study on the US cabinet, what their role is. The way you tell it, the Department of State has a standing army, ready to go to war at the SecState's bidding..not really..not even the CIA.

But herr donald will fix it..vote early and vote often(if you are in the US..I don't know)

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

....wonderful, just forking wonderful....I guess this is one of the problems when you weaponize religious zealotry/insanity....so the solution is two fold, first try to get the genie back in the bottle, second, find the cabal of idiots who thought it was a great idea to let the genie out in the first place, and then find a long enough wall...Bush and the group he represented should be so proud of the work they have done ...

Cheers

FIFY

....thank you....but....

Hillary is a staunch neocon whose record of favoring American war adventures explains much of our current security danger.

Just as the last Clinton presidency set the stage for financial collapse, it also set the stage for unending war. On October 31, 1998 President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act that made it official US policy to support "regime change" in Iraq.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/05/hillary-candidate-war-machine

....Bush was just a hapless water carrier....and you really have to give credit where credit is due, its only fair....

....as for the original use of HRC it was in reference to her magnificent job in Libya which morphed into Syria which neatly morphed into the Belgian bombing ( Bush was nowhere around for those , I believe he was painting portraiture in his basement...)....

Cheers

First, HRC worked for the POTUS, she, as SecState is an advisor. Second, Libya, and Syria and ISIL is a direct result of dissolving the really neat Sunni counter to Shite Iran, in Iraq. When bush tried to make Iraq into a democracy like Illinois, and dissolved this country that led directly to things like Egypt and Libya dissolving...in 2002/3..when HRC was a.....c'mon you can google her..Putting a puppet in power in Iraq(a shite) and marginalizing the large Sunni population..THAT led to ISIL/Daesh..NOT Clinton as an advisor many years later.

You may have read about Iraq, it was in all the papers. The bomb making factory in Belgium had a ISIL flag..

Facts are facts, even your boy herr donald agrees.

....here is a simple undisputable fact, herr donald is not my boy....and unfortunately much of your attendant, uhhh, analysis has similar problems, read, its dead wrong...

.....as for the idea that HRC was just a quiet little advisor offering up gems of wisdom to anyone that would listen is contradicted at the very least by the resume she is using to sell herself as the best candidate for president...that resume, last I checked, pivots real hard on all the experience that she apparently has doing stuff, you know, like of the we came we saw he died variety....and nowhere in that vast experience pool have I seen anything that says, Iraq is a bad idea, supporting a coup in Honduras is a bad idea, the Libyan intervention is a bad idea, Syria is a bad idea, the glorious revolution is a bad idea....quite the contrary, she was usually at the very head of the parade leading to those disasters...

Cheers[/quote]

Not exactly...

Your timeline is way off, the 'mess' started in 2002/3..5-6 years before Obama was even elected. PLUS, do a little study on the US cabinet, what their role is. The way you tell it, the Department of State has a standing army, ready to go to war at the SecState's bidding..not really..not even the CIA.

But herr donald will fix it..vote early and vote often(if you are in the US..I don't know)[/quote]

...so you're saying she didn't support the invasion of Iraq....could have sworn she did...

...as for the army thingee....you being a military guy and all could you answer me this....does the president have a standing army ?.....does the CIA have a standing army ?.....

Cheers

 

[aphronesis]

Well B, if you're critical of Hillary; you're voting for Trump. And, of course W is the one who destabilized the Middle East. Nothing before or after is relevant. Party politics in America and long range thinking on display.

 

[blutto]

Re:

Well B, if you're critical of Hillary; you're voting for Trump. And, of course W is the one who destabilized the Middle East. Nothing before or after is relevant. Party politics in America and long range thinking on display.

....gawd I hate digital....though it would be very interesting to see how, errr, successful , in terms of headcount, the Clinton campaign was vs the Bush campaign....the results might be pretty surprising...

Cheers

 

[gooner]

Erdogan just said one of the attackers was caught in Turkey back in June. He was then deported to Belgium.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re: Re:

....wonderful, just forking wonderful....I guess this is one of the problems when you weaponize religious zealotry/insanity....so the solution is two fold, first try to get the genie back in the bottle, second, find the cabal of idiots who thought it was a great idea to let the genie out in the first place, and then find a long enough wall...Bush and the group he represented should be so proud of the work they have done ...

Cheers

FIFY

....thank you....but....

Hillary is a staunch neocon whose record of favoring American war adventures explains much of our current security danger.

Just as the last Clinton presidency set the stage for financial collapse, it also set the stage for unending war. On October 31, 1998 President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act that made it official US policy to support "regime change" in Iraq.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/05/hillary-candidate-war-machine

....Bush was just a hapless water carrier....and you really have to give credit where credit is due, its only fair....

....as for the original use of HRC it was in reference to her magnificent job in Libya which morphed into Syria which neatly morphed into the Belgian bombing ( Bush was nowhere around for those , I believe he was painting portraiture in his basement...)....

Cheers

First, HRC worked for the POTUS, she, as SecState is an advisor. Second, Libya, and Syria and ISIL is a direct result of dissolving the really neat Sunni counter to Shite Iran, in Iraq. When bush tried to make Iraq into a democracy like Illinois, and dissolved this country that led directly to things like Egypt and Libya dissolving...in 2002/3..when HRC was a.....c'mon you can google her..Putting a puppet in power in Iraq(a shite) and marginalizing the large Sunni population..THAT led to ISIL/Daesh..NOT Clinton as an advisor many years later.

You may have read about Iraq, it was in all the papers. The bomb making factory in Belgium had a ISIL flag..

Facts are facts, even your boy herr donald agrees.

....here is a simple undisputable fact, herr donald is not my boy....and unfortunately much of your attendant, uhhh, analysis has similar problems, read, its dead wrong...

.....as for the idea that HRC was just a quiet little advisor offering up gems of wisdom to anyone that would listen is contradicted at the very least by the resume she is using to sell herself as the best candidate for president...that resume, last I checked, pivots real hard on all the experience that she apparently has doing stuff, you know, like of the we came we saw he died variety....and nowhere in that vast experience pool have I seen anything that says, Iraq is a bad idea, supporting a coup in Honduras is a bad idea, the Libyan intervention is a bad idea, Syria is a bad idea, the glorious revolution is a bad idea....quite the contrary, she was usually at the very head of the parade leading to those disasters...

Cheers

Not exactly...

Your timeline is way off, the 'mess' started in 2002/3..5-6 years before Obama was even elected. PLUS, do a little study on the US cabinet, what their role is. The way you tell it, the Department of State has a standing army, ready to go to war at the SecState's bidding..not really..not even the CIA.

But herr donald will fix it..vote early and vote often(if you are in the US..I don't know)[/quote]

...so you're saying she didn't support the invasion of Iraq....could have sworn she did...

...as for the army thingee....you being a military guy and all could you answer me this....does the president have a standing army ?.....does the CIA have a standing army ?.....

Cheers
[/quote]

Garbage in, garbage out..she, along with many others, were feed a line of BS about 'WMD'...and given the circumstances, after 9/11, anybody would have voted the same way..She has since said that was a BIG MISTAKE, because of the bad intell(Lies?) congress was fed...

The POTUS certainly does but you imply the SECState sends troops hither and yon at his/her bidding, she did not. Those that point at HRC as any kind of 'cause' for Libya or Iraq or ISIS or Egypt, is ignorant of how the whole gig works. SecState doesn't do ANYTHING w/o POTUS approval and ultimate direction. Same for Joint Chiefs. They are advisrs, not operational commanders..but of course, Obama is running so gotta sling the arrows at Clinton.

 

[aphronesis]

Knuckle, she voted the way she did because as a mildly resented, carpetbagging junior Senator in Westchester, anything else would have been political suicide in New York and halted the presidential trajectory stillborn. Anything else is delusion and excuse. Same "pragmatic" compromises Obama made once he left the cornfields.

Most back then didn't know how long things would stay bad and Hillary isn't built or inclined to play the odds on principle.