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That was in the Muslim context...Lee Kuan Yew was Cambridge forged under circumstances not comparable to the inimical rapor between Europe and its Arabic ventures. I don't see a mass Singaporean ired class in the various banlieue around these parts. Context is of course everything.
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That was in the Muslim context...Lee Kuan Yew was Cambridge forged under circumstances not comparable to the inimical rapor between Europe and its Arabic ventures. I don't see a mass Singaporean ired class in the various banlieue around these parts. Context is of course everything.
i don't think western state terrorism is more or less sick than individual (let's say islamic) terrorism.
The recipients/objects of state terrorism typically (feel they) have no fair means to defend themselves, leading to a deeply ingrained sense of humiliation and injustice, that in turn invoking terrorist acts of revenge. Such terrorist acts of revenge are thus legitimate in the eyes of (most of) the recipients/objects of state terror.
So whereas it's hard to argue that muslim countries invoke western state terrorism, reversely it's quite easy to argue that western countries invoke/invite islamic terrorism.
I'm not saying that if western state terrorism would stop tomorrow, islamic terrrorism would stop tomorrow. Surely Islamic terrorism wouldn't stop tomorrow, simply because it has by now grown into a whole different dimension; it's no longer just acts of revenge, it's an industry.
But stopping western state terrorism would at least take all remaining legitimacy away from islamic terrorism.
The recipients/objects of state terrorism typically (feel they) have no fair means to defend themselves, leading to a deeply ingrained sense of humiliation and injustice, that in turn invoking terrorist acts of revenge. Such terrorist acts of revenge are thus legitimate in the eyes of (most of) the recipients/objects of state terror.
So whereas it's hard to argue that muslim countries invoke western state terrorism, reversely it's quite easy to argue that western countries invoke/invite islamic terrorism.
I'm not saying that if western state terrorism would stop tomorrow, islamic terrrorism would stop tomorrow. Surely Islamic terrorism wouldn't stop tomorrow, simply because it has by now grown into a whole different dimension; it's no longer just acts of revenge, it's an industry.
But stopping western state terrorism would at least take all remaining legitimacy away from islamic terrorism.
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I don't see how you can dismiss what Attaturk did with the simple sentence "That was in the Muslim context". It may appear to us to be "the Muslim context" but just try posing that suggestion to the Muslims of his place and time. It's true that he did not succeed in fully modernizing Turkish Islam, but he certainly went a long way towards it, and secularized the state. As to your other objection, most of Europe's Arabic ventures, historically, have an Oxbridge source, or at least rely on Oxbridge expertise, just as in Singapore.
I don't think Islam is all that intractable, truth be known. Where it has regressed, or remains regressive, it does so for purposes other than its own.
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I don't see how you can dismiss what Attaturk did with the simple sentence "That was in the Muslim context". It may appear to us to be "the Muslim context" but just try posing that suggestion to the Muslims of his place and time. It's true that he did not succeed in fully modernizing Turkish Islam, but he certainly went a long way towards it, and secularized the state. As to your other objection, most of Europe's Arabic ventures, historically, have an Oxbridge source, or at least rely on Oxbridge expertise, just as in Singapore.
I don't think Islam is all that intractable, truth be known. Where it has regressed, or remains regressive, it does so for purposes other than its own.
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You've missed my point and made an incongruent comparison.
Attaturk's agenda was pushed in a country with a long sovereign history of its own. Though under Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan Turkey has certainly regressed. By contrast, the Magrheb nations were fabricated under colonial impetus. A colonial impetus that, for many factors, has in its wake contributed to fabricating monsters. The majority of terrorists in Europe are, as I have previously stated, the sons of immigrants from the Magrheb. This is a fact. It is thus a home grown phenomenon. These folks were never given, nor have they absorbed the cultural values of the places from which their parents came, but the rancor yes.
Not having been transmitted a solid foundation, an alive and serene culture - neither from their parents, nor from the ex-colonial occupier, now unwilling heir - they have from the slums been left to the streets, pure case, destiny. But this wasn't a fortuitous ontology.
In France immigration is one of the consequences of colonialization, which isn't the case with Turks. The immigrant population didn't benefit from recognition, nor was it given attention, but only the banlieues. Racism developed in enormous proportions, above all after the war in Algeria (1954-1962). The repatriated from Algeria suffered for the loss of what they considered their homeland. The nasty conditions and painful return to France, was thus accompanied by a sense of injustice and resentment. The immigrants, notwithstanding the work they performed, didn't receive a correct and dignified treatment. And they kept quiet. However the fathers did transmit the sense of defeat and impotance to their sons (and their sons, sons). Some of these latter, consciously or unconsciously, have desired to "vindicate" their fathers by killing innocents.
The vast magority of immigrant sons were transmitted this ontological insecurity, though despite this fortunately haven't take up jihad. Yet it is upon this facet that the "Islamic State" attempts to gain recruits through its diabolical propaganda. By promissing vendetta and death, in assuring a radiant future to these abandoned teens of Europe, it provides them on the one hand with a way out and, on the other, an objective that gives their lives a sense. It says: "You haven't found a sense to your lives, well then, we propose giving a sense to your deaths by fighting on the "Road to God" ( Fi sabilillah), which leads to paradise." At the same time it presents the West as purely materialistic, devoid of any spirituality and without those divine values it regards as the beginning and the end of humanity. Certain immigrant sons have taken to heart this sermon and were disposed to follow its calling to the bitter end.
Sniper's reference to an "industry" of jihad is thus not that far fetched. I'd say, among privileged Arabs today, the Oxbridge source is purely formal and instrumental in forging the future business class to the oppressive regimes. On a contrary note, however, I did recently meet two Saudi Arabian women traveling alone, without hijabs, secular and fully contemporary in the usual Western sense. Never having been to Saudi Arabia they said, when I asked, they probably represented about 10% of their population and that they needed to be very discrete and prudent with it not to get incarcerated.
PS. As far as the "Muslim context" goes its important to distinguish Turks from Arabs, the latter having also been inflamed, by now for decades, by what is regard as the Palestinian genocide.
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You've missed my point and made an incongruent comparison.
Attaturk's agenda was pushed in a country with a long sovereign history of its own. Though under Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan Turkey has certainly regressed. By contrast, the Magrheb nations were fabricated under colonial impetus. A colonial impetus that, for many factors, has in its wake contributed to fabricating monsters. The majority of terrorists in Europe are, as I have previously stated, the sons of immigrants from the Magrheb. This is a fact. It is thus a home grown phenomenon. These folks were never given, nor have they absorbed the cultural values of the places from which their parents came, but the rancor yes.
Not having been transmitted a solid foundation, an alive and serene culture - neither from their parents, nor from the ex-colonial occupier, now unwilling heir - they have from the slums been left to the streets, pure case, destiny. But this wasn't a fortuitous ontology.
In France immigration is one of the consequences of colonialization, which isn't the case with Turks. The immigrant population didn't benefit from recognition, nor was it given attention, but only the banlieues. Racism developed in enormous proportions, above all after the war in Algeria (1954-1962). The repatriated from Algeria suffered for the loss of what they considered their homeland. The nasty conditions and painful return to France, was thus accompanied by a sense of injustice and resentment. The immigrants, notwithstanding the work they performed, didn't receive a correct and dignified treatment. And they kept quiet. However the fathers did transmit the sense of defeat and impotance to their sons (and their sons, sons). Some of these latter, consciously or unconsciously, have desired to "vindicate" their fathers by killing innocents.
The vast magority of immigrant sons were transmitted this ontological insecurity, though despite this fortunately haven't take up jihad. Yet it is upon this facet that the "Islamic State" attempts to gain recruits through its diabolical propaganda. By promissing vendetta and death, in assuring a radiant future to these abandoned teens of Europe, it provides them on the one hand with a way out and, on the other, an objective that gives their lives a sense. It says: "You haven't found a sense to your lives, well then, we propose giving a sense to your deaths by fighting on the "Road to God" ( Fi sabilillah), which leads to paradise." At the same time it presents the West as purely materialistic, devoid of any spirituality and without those divine values it regards as the beginning and the end of humanity. Certain immigrant sons have taken to heart this sermon and were disposed to follow its calling to the bitter end.
Sniper's reference to an "industry" of jihad is thus not that far fetched. I'd say, among privileged Arabs today, the Oxbridge source is purely formal and instrumental in forging the future business class to the oppressive regimes. On a contrary note, however, I did recently meet two Saudi Arabian women traveling alone, without hijabs, secular and fully contemporary in the usual Western sense. Never having been to Saudi Arabia they said, when I asked, they probably represented about 10% of their population and that they needed to be very discrete and prudent with it not to get incarcerated.
PS. As far as the "Muslim context" goes its important to distinguish Turks from Arabs, the latter having also been inflamed, by now for decades, by what is regard as the Palestinian genocide.
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"Sniper's reference to an "industry" of jihad is thus not that far fetched. I'd say, among privileged Arabs today, the Oxbridge source is purely formal and instrumental in forging the future business class to the oppressive regimes. On a contrary note, however, I did recently meet two Saudi Arabian women traveling alone, without hijabs, secular and fully contemporary in the usual Western sense. Never having been to Saudi Arabia they said, when I asked, they probably represented about 10% of their population and that they needed to be very descrete and prudent with it not to get incarcerated."
Sniper's term can be recast as modernized "primitive accumulation" for anyone arguing with it.
And it's true: Saudi Women as you describe were not uncommon when I worked in the region. But mainly privileged ones in circumscribed situations.
Sniper's term can be recast as modernized "primitive accumulation" for anyone arguing with it.
And it's true: Saudi Women as you describe were not uncommon when I worked in the region. But mainly privileged ones in circumscribed situations.
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palmyra is finally freed of the savages.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-palmyra-idUSKCN0WT04R?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
the heavy fighting has been reported for days. curiously, all the victorious images lack the city per se...no buildings in the background or foreground, no standing up or down structures - just the yellow desert and weapons...i hope this is because the photo reporters were not allowed into a booby-trapped city yet and not another hoax...
interestingly, while no details are available from the smoldering city, the omnipresent london-based 'observatory for (get it!) for human rights is already in with its dead body counts
how the hell this abdurahman head guy is able to pinpoint dead all over syria - from his london flat, mind you ! - before the victors and the defeated even had the chance to recognize their fallen
its truly amazing that this long discredited 'source' is continually quoted in the western media.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-palmyra-idUSKCN0WT04R?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
the heavy fighting has been reported for days. curiously, all the victorious images lack the city per se...no buildings in the background or foreground, no standing up or down structures - just the yellow desert and weapons...i hope this is because the photo reporters were not allowed into a booby-trapped city yet and not another hoax...
interestingly, while no details are available from the smoldering city, the omnipresent london-based 'observatory for (get it!) for human rights is already in with its dead body counts
how the hell this abdurahman head guy is able to pinpoint dead all over syria - from his london flat, mind you ! - before the victors and the defeated even had the chance to recognize their fallen its truly amazing that this long discredited 'source' is continually quoted in the western media.
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....Who says What about Whom and Why....the MSM just gotta feed that fabulous fable maw and numbers is good to give the story some fibre ( gets it thru the system more better eh...then you can serve up the next deicious story )...
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python said:palmyra is finally freed of the savages.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-palmyra-idUSKCN0WT04R?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
the heavy fighting has been reported for days. curiously, all the victorious images lack the city per se...no buildings in the background or foreground, no standing up or down structures - just the yellow desert and weapons...i hope this is because the photo reporters were not allowed into a booby-trapped city yet and not another hoax...
interestingly, while no details are available from the smoldering city, the omnipresent london-based 'observatory for (get it!) for human rights is already in with its dead body counts
its truly amazing that this long discredited 'source' is continually quoted in the western media.
....Who says What about Whom and Why....the MSM just gotta feed that fabulous fable maw and numbers is good to give the story some fibre ( gets it thru the system more better eh...then you can serve up the next deicious story )...
Cheers
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in this case, it was something like mere hours after the syrian news agency (sana) announced the victory at palmyra. and here the 'human observatory' already identified, counted and differentiated the hundreds of fallen fighters...a tad too neat and expeditious for the corpses scattered all over and in many cases too gruesome and in several pieces. even if we assume the body counts came from the sources inside the warring sides, it would be too fantastic b/c they themselves are still unaware of the full extent of their losses.
but if we assume that the 'human observatory' got its numbers from an m5 or m6 office just across the london street, everything falls into place beautifully.
my point is simply that thoughtless, uncritical reading has become a staple in the west. and unfortunately, such a tendency has been exploited time and again to sell us all sorts of half truths and downright lies....not that it's much different in the vlad domain. but at least over there no one claims the falsehood about the 'highest, freest and most democratic' standard...my ardse
perhaps you are right...personally, i can't take a source, any source, seriously, if it fails an obvious common sense check.blutto said:python said:palmyra is finally freed of the savages.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-palmyra-idUSKCN0WT04R?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
the heavy fighting has been reported for days. curiously, all the victorious images lack the city per se...no buildings in the background or foreground, no standing up or down structures - just the yellow desert and weapons...i hope this is because the photo reporters were not allowed into a booby-trapped city yet and not another hoax...
interestingly, while no details are available from the smoldering city, the omnipresent london-based 'observatory for (get it!) for human rights is already in with its dead body counts
its truly amazing that this long discredited 'source' is continually quoted in the western media.
....Who says What about Whom and Why....the MSM just gotta feed that fabulous fable maw and numbers is good to give the story some fibre ( gets it thru the system more better eh...then you can serve up the next deicious story )...
Cheers
in this case, it was something like mere hours after the syrian news agency (sana) announced the victory at palmyra. and here the 'human observatory' already identified, counted and differentiated the hundreds of fallen fighters...a tad too neat and expeditious for the corpses scattered all over and in many cases too gruesome and in several pieces. even if we assume the body counts came from the sources inside the warring sides, it would be too fantastic b/c they themselves are still unaware of the full extent of their losses.
but if we assume that the 'human observatory' got its numbers from an m5 or m6 office just across the london street, everything falls into place beautifully.
my point is simply that thoughtless, uncritical reading has become a staple in the west. and unfortunately, such a tendency has been exploited time and again to sell us all sorts of half truths and downright lies....not that it's much different in the vlad domain. but at least over there no one claims the falsehood about the 'highest, freest and most democratic' standard...my ardse
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....youse gotta be real careful with that common sense thingee, eh....its a funny thing with a myriad of uses, sometimes its good for filtering out $h!te, other times as camouflage for $h!te...multiuse or what...
....the scary thing with, uhhh, common sense is that it is often also used to feed the story, to drive it along by skilled practitioners in the art of manure spreading...."facts" can easily be folded into common sense based frameworks to produce desired direction that is often dubious..." well everyone knows Islam is a violent religion that is hell-bent on world domination" so of course "it makes sense " that, fill in blank here, was an attack by Islamic Jihadi elements bent on world domination...and oh look over there, we just found a passport/laptop/plans to really prove it....
...this is not to point a finger at you here...its just that reading your post sparked the above comment that refers to something entirely different.....the common thread just happens to be common sense...
Cheers
python said:perhaps you are right...personally, i can't take a source, any source, seriously, if it fails an obvious common sense check.blutto said:python said:palmyra is finally freed of the savages.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-palmyra-idUSKCN0WT04R?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
the heavy fighting has been reported for days. curiously, all the victorious images lack the city per se...no buildings in the background or foreground, no standing up or down structures - just the yellow desert and weapons...i hope this is because the photo reporters were not allowed into a booby-trapped city yet and not another hoax...
interestingly, while no details are available from the smoldering city, the omnipresent london-based 'observatory for (get it!) for human rights is already in with its dead body counts
its truly amazing that this long discredited 'source' is continually quoted in the western media.
....Who says What about Whom and Why....the MSM just gotta feed that fabulous fable maw and numbers is good to give the story some fibre ( gets it thru the system more better eh...then you can serve up the next deicious story )...
Cheers
in this case, it was something like mere hours after the syrian news agency (sana) announced the victory at palmyra. and here the 'human observatory' already identified, counted and differentiated the hundreds of fallen fighters...a tad too neat and expeditious for the corpses scattered all over and in many cases too gruesome and in several pieces. even if we assume the body counts came from the sources inside the warring sides, it would be too fantastic b/c they themselves are still unaware of the full extent of their losses.
but if we assume that the 'human observatory' got its numbers from an m5 or m6 office just across the london street, everything falls into place beautifully.
my point is simply that thoughtless, uncritical reading has become a staple in the west. and unfortunately, such a tendency has been exploited time and again to sell us all sorts of half truths and downright lies....not that it's much different in the vlad domain. but at least over there no one claims the falsehood about the 'highest, freest and most democratic' standard...my ardse
....youse gotta be real careful with that common sense thingee, eh....its a funny thing with a myriad of uses, sometimes its good for filtering out $h!te, other times as camouflage for $h!te...multiuse or what...
....the scary thing with, uhhh, common sense is that it is often also used to feed the story, to drive it along by skilled practitioners in the art of manure spreading...."facts" can easily be folded into common sense based frameworks to produce desired direction that is often dubious..." well everyone knows Islam is a violent religion that is hell-bent on world domination" so of course "it makes sense " that, fill in blank here, was an attack by Islamic Jihadi elements bent on world domination...and oh look over there, we just found a passport/laptop/plans to really prove it....
...this is not to point a finger at you here...its just that reading your post sparked the above comment that refers to something entirely different.....the common thread just happens to be common sense...
Cheers
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....hahahaha....
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/01/trial-swedish-man-accused-terrorism-offences-collapse-bherlin-gildo
....and with the CIA "friends" fighting the Pentagon "pals" this is turning into the outline for the Adam Sandler/Coen Brothers collaboration we have all been waiting for....
Cheers
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/01/trial-swedish-man-accused-terrorism-offences-collapse-bherlin-gildo
....and with the CIA "friends" fighting the Pentagon "pals" this is turning into the outline for the Adam Sandler/Coen Brothers collaboration we have all been waiting for....
Cheers
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...and speaking of capitulation....the once proud British tradition of burning mountains of coal and producing clouds of toxic smoke is sadly waning and may soon disappear....boohoo....boohoo...what are those people going to do with their lives... ....
....'cause apparently, that vaunted all conquering conspiracy of crazed scientists and hapless hippies is succeeding in fooling the world with their mad ideas and is now well on the way to realize their dream of taking over the world and turning it into a vegetarian paradise ( and probably complete with communistical single payer health care that is completely and utterly free )....
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.... ....'cause apparently, that vaunted all conquering conspiracy of crazed scientists and hapless hippies is succeeding in fooling the world with their mad ideas and is now well on the way to realize their dream of taking over the world and turning it into a vegetarian paradise ( and probably complete with communistical single payer health care that is completely and utterly free )....
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/mar/31/rapid-decline-of-coal-use-leads-to-drop-in-uk-emissions
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...i continue to be fascinated by the turkish role - if not not to put it more bluntly, their stupidity - regarding what they do/did/or plan to do in syria and iraq ....
several very visible (and 1-2 less so) events have been taking place concerning the matter as i type.
...it's hardly a news that obama and erdogan have been at odds in syria and iraq . to add some insult to their injury, it was widely reported that obama chose to publicly snub the erdo-man by refusing to meet the sultan while his highness is attending the the obama brain fart on the nuclear security taking place in washington right now...
btw, of the 50 or so heads of state currently in attendance there is no tzar of one state that really matters in the nuclear material safeguarding - the obama obsessive idea he wants to become his legacy. to the point, in his turn, his darkness tsar vladmir decided to snub obama by his absence as if reminding that w/o russia ANY nuclear/anti-nuclear/pro-nuclear initiatives are little more than a dud.
not that vlad is a comple dijk -- as is well known by now, he was/is working quite productively with america on the iran nukes and now on getting a political solution to syria. add to this the sensational lebanese paper article TODAY that kerry and lavrov agreed on the assad exit - the main demand of the syrian rebels
and what did erdogan do today to complicate everything ?
he made an interesting move vlad had long demanded of him. the details are still obscure, but the killer of the turkey-down russian jet pilot who ejected over syria had been arrested TODAY. that's what the turkish govt mouth piece hurriet paper printed.
i have no idea what's going on, but wish that turkey and its sultan see the light. we all, will win then.
i
several very visible (and 1-2 less so) events have been taking place concerning the matter as i type.
...it's hardly a news that obama and erdogan have been at odds in syria and iraq . to add some insult to their injury, it was widely reported that obama chose to publicly snub the erdo-man by refusing to meet the sultan while his highness is attending the the obama brain fart on the nuclear security taking place in washington right now...
btw, of the 50 or so heads of state currently in attendance there is no tzar of one state that really matters in the nuclear material safeguarding - the obama obsessive idea he wants to become his legacy. to the point, in his turn, his darkness tsar vladmir decided to snub obama by his absence as if reminding that w/o russia ANY nuclear/anti-nuclear/pro-nuclear initiatives are little more than a dud.
not that vlad is a comple dijk -- as is well known by now, he was/is working quite productively with america on the iran nukes and now on getting a political solution to syria. add to this the sensational lebanese paper article TODAY that kerry and lavrov agreed on the assad exit - the main demand of the syrian rebels
and what did erdogan do today to complicate everything ?
he made an interesting move vlad had long demanded of him. the details are still obscure, but the killer of the turkey-down russian jet pilot who ejected over syria had been arrested TODAY. that's what the turkish govt mouth piece hurriet paper printed.
i have no idea what's going on, but wish that turkey and its sultan see the light. we all, will win then.
i
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....an article that runs against the usual Western MSM narratives....
....and this little bit....the latest in the follow the money, or in this case, the pipelines game....
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/eric-zuesse/66704/has-russia-now-salvaged-europe
....so the story so far....hundreds of thousands of people die and a country utterly destroyed so a pipeline can be pushed thru....terrorist blowback increases reach of security services in the West...win win....and a bevy of lunatics are in the running for the presidency...win win win..."the future is bright I gotta wear shades"....( there really should be a facetious emoticon, gawd knows I could use it... )
Cheers
....and this little bit....the latest in the follow the money, or in this case, the pipelines game....
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/eric-zuesse/66704/has-russia-now-salvaged-europe
....so the story so far....hundreds of thousands of people die and a country utterly destroyed so a pipeline can be pushed thru....terrorist blowback increases reach of security services in the West...win win....and a bevy of lunatics are in the running for the presidency...win win win..."the future is bright I gotta wear shades"....( there really should be a facetious emoticon, gawd knows I could use it... )
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...or maybe something with a prominent tongue in cheek....anyways we should work on that...copy write it and make a fortune....because I feel there is a great need for that thingee there, the crowd is just screaming for it...
...just googled facetious images and its very confusing....this culture definitely needs a firm hand in this situation to give it some direction....
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Maxiton said:blutto said:
Here ya go.
Best I could do on short notice.
...or maybe something with a prominent tongue in cheek....anyways we should work on that...copy write it and make a fortune....because I feel there is a great need for that thingee there, the crowd is just screaming for it...
...just googled facetious images and its very confusing....this culture definitely needs a firm hand in this situation to give it some direction....
Cheers
Talking about the EU, in the UK the latest polls show the Leave group leading by 4. So, as it's British pollsters, it's probably 60-40 for stay.
In all seriousness, the Leave campaign could well take the UK out of Europe and Cameron out of PM. On a wider scale, it probably means traction for anti-EU parties in Europe, Austria especially and Le Pen too, although IIRC Le Pen is not strictly anti-EU. Brussels won't be too happy, although considering how China is toying with the UK at the moment it may work out quite well for the EU, if they (UK) then turn out to be as incompetent in dealings with the EU than with China.
In all seriousness, the Leave campaign could well take the UK out of Europe and Cameron out of PM. On a wider scale, it probably means traction for anti-EU parties in Europe, Austria especially and Le Pen too, although IIRC Le Pen is not strictly anti-EU. Brussels won't be too happy, although considering how China is toying with the UK at the moment it may work out quite well for the EU, if they (UK) then turn out to be as incompetent in dealings with the EU than with China.
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A while back I quoted an American businessman very familiar with Russia who suggested Putin might be the richest man in the world. The Guardian just published a story shedding more light on that claim:
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/panama-papers-money-hidden-offshore
Makes the Clintons look like amateurs
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/panama-papers-money-hidden-offshore
Makes the Clintons look like amateurs
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A stupid wee post, but I think an important one. Scotland doesn't lead the world in much (these days) but the leader of the main opposition (election coming up in May) in Scotland has just come out. Whoopy do you may say, but given 2 out of the other three are also openly Gay, and nobody gives a flying makes me proud in Scottish politics. Unfortunately for them all, it's going to another SNP whitewash...
) but the leader of the main opposition (election coming up in May) in Scotland has just come out. Whoopy do you may say, but given 2 out of the other three are also openly Gay, and nobody gives a flying makes me proud in Scottish politics. Unfortunately for them all, it's going to another SNP whitewash...
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Panama Papers
So the Prime Minister of Iceland (and many others) are involved in tax evasion according to the Panama Papers? No wonder he wanted to go back to business-as-usual casino banking less than 5 years after Iceland's catastrophic meltdown.
So the Prime Minister of Iceland (and many others) are involved in tax evasion according to the Panama Papers? No wonder he wanted to go back to business-as-usual casino banking less than 5 years after Iceland's catastrophic meltdown.
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....and closer to home...
....and...maybe....
....and more maybe...
...and as MI pointed out in the World Politics thread showed selectively slime people ( if only by association )....though given the apparent scale of this the entire world may in some way be implicated....
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CheckMyPecs said:So the Prime Minister of Iceland (and many others) are involved in tax evasion according to the Panama Papers? No wonder he wanted to go back to business-as-usual casino banking less than 5 years after Iceland's catastrophic meltdown.
....and closer to home...
....and...maybe....
....and more maybe...
...and as MI pointed out in the World Politics thread showed selectively slime people ( if only by association )....though given the apparent scale of this the entire world may in some way be implicated....
Cheers
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