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python said:
have you ever heard of the swedish doctors for human rights (SWEDHR) ?

since i regularly peruse scandinavian media, i occasionally did (concerning snowden) . turns out, they totally destroyed the credibility of the west's favorite source for attacks on syria - the white helmets.

read for yourself the entire grotesque exposure..i'll provide just a brief quote:
Swedish Doctors ask "White Helmets" to end Fake Rescues and killing civilians
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/31797/53/
According to the Swedish human rights activists, so-called "rescue" procedures captured in White Helmets videos had been staged; they were carried out on a dead child.

to give them a sanity check i googled: 'SWEDHR connections to putin', SWEDHR connections to russia'
RESULT: fat zero. try it for yourself.

SDEDHR on themselves
http://swedhr.org/
... We also believe that abstaining from the aforementioned possibility of external contributions is one way of maintaining absolute independence and credibility regarding unbiased reporting of HR issues.

wiki on them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Doctors_for_Human_Rights

The swedes are probably the one of the most unbiased sources in Syria. Historically at least they have always been neutral between Russia/USSR and the USA.
IKEAleaks.

But yes I read the story that pyton posted because a friend sent it to me. These white hats sure seem to lack credibility in my opinion but didn't we have a few folks here claiming the oposite?
 
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@ blullnux
yeah, that's probably true wrt to syria and some other areas, but it's not like sweden did not/does not have issues with its big southern neighbor. still, while the common swedes are a tad less neutral towards russia than say finland, they dont seem to rush into nato. there is no anti-russian hysteria in the swedish media one reads in germany, poland or gb...

@dan2016
shame on me, but i did not read much of vanessa beeley until your excellent link...i certainly heard the name since she's been mentioned in my my regular rss feeds, but i dont always click on, b/c of lack of time. like with blutto and others i am learning a lot on a little goddamn cycling forum :) by following your generous references..

@semper
the whole thing about the white helmets and those who refute them is about the credibility of the skeptics. the swedhr credibility and independence are impeccable !

just check the recent discussions of the wikileaks and the incredulity with which even some open-minded posters treat them as soon as they hear 'wikileaks' - completely forgoing any thinking person's sanity check for the content quality. such is the sad standard to which the western meadia conditioned masses of well but not always educated readers. :eek:
 
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@ blullnux
yeah, that's probably true wrt to syria and some other areas, but it's not like sweden did not/does not have issues with its big southern neighbor. still, while the common swedes are a tad less neutral towards russia than say finland, they dont seem to rush into nato. there is no anti-russian hysteria in the swedish media one reads in germany, poland or gb...

@dan2016
shame on me, but i did not read much of vanessa beeley until your excellent link...i certainly heard the name since she's been mentioned in my my regular rss feeds, but i dont always click on, b/c of lack of time. like with blutto and others i am learning a lot on a little goddamn cycling forum :) by following your generous references..

@semper
the whole thing about the white helmets and those who refute them is about the credibility of the skeptics. the swedhr credibility and independence are impeccable !

just check the recent discussions of the wikileaks and the incredulity with which even some open-minded posters treat them as soon as they hear 'wikileaks' - completely forgoing any thinking person's sanity check for the content quality. such is the sad standard to which the western meadia conditioned masses of well but not always educated readers. :eek:
Very well described.

I'm of the opinion that these white hats have played a number on the MSM / Hollywood / safe spacers -etc.
Also having read some of the "sources" of information on the subject - the "evidence" touted - that the dentist actually used chemical weapons is best described as a sieve. The fact that the self proclaimed well educated and some actual well educated folks can be duped is scary. Dam near the same scary that some of these folks described with respect to the US election.
 
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python said:
have you ever heard of the swedish doctors for human rights (SWEDHR) ?

since i regularly peruse scandinavian media, i occasionally did (concerning snowden) . turns out, they totally destroyed the credibility of the west's favorite source for attacks on syria - the white helmets.

read for yourself the entire grotesque exposure..i'll provide just a brief quote:
Swedish Doctors ask "White Helmets" to end Fake Rescues and killing civilians
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/31797/53/
According to the Swedish human rights activists, so-called "rescue" procedures captured in White Helmets videos had been staged; they were carried out on a dead child.

to give them a sanity check i googled: 'SWEDHR connections to putin', SWEDHR connections to russia'
RESULT: fat zero. try it for yourself.

SDEDHR on themselves
http://swedhr.org/
... We also believe that abstaining from the aforementioned possibility of external contributions is one way of maintaining absolute independence and credibility regarding unbiased reporting of HR issues.

wiki on them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Doctors_for_Human_Rights

Thanks for posting this, it's a good read and an NGO I haven't heard of before and what might actually be going on in Syria. The one quibble I have is the headline of the article Swedish Doctors ask "White Helmets" to end Fake Rescues and killing civilians . At no stage did the SWEDHR claim that the White Helmets killed civilians so I can't quite work out why the headline states that they did, am I missing something here? (genuine question). Anyway cheers for posting it.
 
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UN Security Council voted on Syrian gas attacks - condemning Syrian govt and pushing for them to cooperate with investigation. Russia voted no. China abstained.
 
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UN Security Council voted on Syrian gas attacks - condemning Syrian govt and pushing for them to cooperate with investigation. Russia voted no. China abstained.
THE UN .. must be on Copperheads payroll. Either that or they just can't help but do not a GD thing ever.
 
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Yesterday i posted a report by the human rights group with an impeccable rep and independence about the forged evidence spread by the western media. those folks at the swedish doctors for human rights are true idealsists

but here's a remarkably similar (in its angle) memo by the professional spooks who, by definition and training, should be more cynical...we heard of them before (see below why and when they decided to speak up.

their memo contains 15 matter-of-fact, concise points. their full names (20+) and service titles follow the memo. I will quote several for the 'lazies'

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/11/trump-should-rethink-syria-escalation/
1 – We write to give you an unambiguous warning of the threat of armed hostilities with Russia – with the risk of escalation to nuclear war. The threat has grown after the cruise missile attack on Syria in retaliation for what you claimed was a “chemical weapons attack” on April 4 on Syrian civilians in southern Idlib Province.

2 – Our U.S. Army contacts in the area have told us this is not what happened. There was no Syrian “chemical weapons attack.” Instead, a Syrian aircraft bombed an al-Qaeda-in-Syria ammunition depot that turned out to be full of noxious chemicals and a strong wind blew the chemical-laden cloud over a nearby village where many consequently died.
A handful of CIA veterans established VIPS in January 2003 after concluding that *** Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld had ordered our former colleagues to manufacture intelligence to “justify” an unnecessary war with Iraq. At the time we chose to assume that President George W. Bush was not fully aware of this.

We issued our first Memorandum for the President on the afternoon of Feb. 5, 2003, after Colin Powell’s ill-begotten speech at the United Nations. Addressing President Bush, we closed with these words:

No one has a corner on the truth; nor do we harbor illusions that our analysis is “irrefutable” or “undeniable” [adjectives Powell applied to his charges against Saddam Hussein]. But after watching Secretary Powell today, we are convinced that you would be well served if you widened the discussion … beyond the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic.

Respectfully, we offer the same advice to you, President Trump.
 
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....sorry to post this in its entirety but it is important that it be read in its entirety....will begin with a quote from another article....

Instead, “the most plausible conclusion is that the sarin was dispensed by an improvised dispersal device made from a 122mm section of rocket tube filled with sarin and capped on both sides.”

“We again have a situation where the White House has issued an obviously false, misleading and amateurish intelligence report,” he concluded, recalling the 2013 situation when the Obama administration claimed Assad had used chemical weapons against the rebels in Ghouta, near Damascus.

“What the country is now being told by the White House cannot be true,” Postol wrote, “and the fact that this information has been provided in this format raises the most serious questions about the handling of our national security.”

Dear Larry:

I am responding to your distribution of what I understand is a White House statement claiming intelligence findings about the nerve agent attack on April 4, 2017 in Khan Shaykhun, Syria. My understanding from your note is that this White House intelligence summary was released to you sometime on April 11, 2017.

I have reviewed the document carefully, and I believe it can be shown, without doubt, that the document does not provide any evidence whatsoever that the US government has concrete knowledge that the government of Syria was the source of the chemical attack in Khan Shaykhun, Syria at roughly 6 to 7 a.m. on April 4, 2017.

In fact, a main piece of evidence that is cited in the document points to an attack that was executed by individuals on the ground, not from an aircraft, on the morning of April 4.

This conclusion is based on an assumption made by the White House when it cited the source of the sarin release and the photographs of that source. My own assessment, is that the source was very likely tampered with or staged, so no serious conclusion could be made from the photographs cited by the White House.

However, if one assumes, as does the White House, that the source of the sarin was from this location and that the location was not tampered with, the most plausible conclusion is that the sarin was dispensed by an improvised dispersal device made from a 122 mm section of rocket tube filled with sarin and capped on both sides.

The only undisputable facts stated in the White House report is the claim that a chemical attack using nerve agent occurred in Khan Shaykhun, Syria on that morning. Although the White House statement repeats this point in many places within its report, the report contains absolutely no evidence that this attack was the result of a munition being dropped from an aircraft. In fact, the report contains absolutely no evidence that would indicate who was the perpetrator of this atrocity.

The report instead repeats observations of physical effects suffered by victims that with very little doubt indicate nerve agent poisoning.

The only source the document cites as evidence that the attack was by the Syrian government is the crater it claims to have identified on a road in the North of Khan Shaykhun.

I have located this crater using Google Earth and there is absolutely no evidence that the crater was created by a munition designed to disperse sarin after it is dropped from an aircraft.

The Google Earth map shown in Figure 1 at the end of this text section shows the location of that crater on the road in the north of Khan Shaykhun, as described in the White House statement.

The data cited by the White House is more consistent with the possibility that the munition was placed on the ground rather than dropped from a plane. This conclusion assumes that the crater was not tampered with prior to the photographs. However, by referring to the munition in this crater, the White House is indicating that this is the erroneous source of the data it used to conclude that the munition came from a Syrian aircraft.

Analysis of the debris as shown in the photographs cited by the White House clearly indicates that the munition was almost certainly placed on the ground with an external detonating explosive on top of it that crushed the container so as to disperse the alleged load of sarin.

Since time appears to be of the essence here, I have put together the summary of the evidence I have that the White House report contains false and misleading conclusions in a series of figures that follow this discussion. Each of the figures has a description below it, but I will summarize these figures next and wait for further inquiries about the basis of the conclusions I am putting forward herein.

Figure 1 shows a Google Earth image of the northeast corner of Khan Shaykhun where the crater identified as the source of the sarin attack and referred to in the White House intelligence report is located.

Also shown in the Google Earth image is the direction of the wind from the crater. At 3 AM the wind was going directly to the south at a speed of roughly 1.5 to 2.5 m/s. By 6 AM the wind was moving to the southeast at 1 to 2 m/s. The temperature was also low, 50 to 55°F near the ground. These conditions are absolutely ideal for a nerve agent attack.

When the temperature near the ground is low, and there is no sun and very slow winds, the dense cool air stays close to the ground and there is almost no upward motion of the air. This condition causes any particles, droplets, or clouds of dispersed gas to stay close to the ground as the surrounding air moves over the ground. We perceive this motion as a gentle breeze on a calm morning before sunrise.

One can think of a cloud of sarin as much like a cloud of ink generated by an escaping octopus. The ink cloud sits in the water and as the water slowly moves, so does the cloud. As the cloud is moved along by the water, it will slowly spread in all directions as it moves. If the layer of water where the ink is embedded moves so as to stay close to the ocean floor, the cloud will cover objects as it moves with the water.

This is the situation that occurs on a cool night before sunrise when the winds move only gently.

Figures 5 and 6 show tables that summarize the weather at 3 hour intervals in Khan Shaykun on the day of the attack, April 4, the day before the attack, April 3, and the day after the attack, April 5. The striking feature of the weather is that there were relatively high winds in the morning hours on both April 3 and April 5. If the gas attack were executed either the day before or the day after in the early morning, the attack would have been highly ineffective. The much higher winds would have dispersed the cloud of nerve agent and the mixing of winds from higher altitudes would have caused the nerve agent to be carried aloft from the ground. It is therefore absolutely clear that the time and day of the attack was carefully chosen and was no accident.

Figure 2 shows a high quality photograph of the crater identified in the White House report as the source of the sarin attack. Assuming that there was no tampering of evidence at the crater, one can see what the White House is claiming as a dispenser of the nerve agent.

The dispenser looks like a 122 mm pipe like that used in the manufacture of artillery rockets.

As shown in the close-up of the pipe in the crater in Figure 3, the pipe looks like it was originally sealed at the front end and the back end. Also of note is that the pipe is flattened into the crater, and also has a fractured seam that was created by the brittle failure of the metal skin when the pipe was suddenly crushed inward from above.

Figure 4 shows the possible configuration of an improvised sarin dispersal device that could have been used to create the crater and the crushed carcass of what was originally a cylindrical pipe. A good guess of how this dispersal mechanism worked (again, assuming that the crater and carcass were not staged, as assumed in the White House report) was that a slab of high explosive was placed over one end of the sarin-filled pipe and detonated.

The explosive acted on the pipe as a blunt crushing mallet. It drove the pipe into the ground while at the same time creating the crater. Since the pipe was filled with sarin, which is an incompressible fluid, as the pipe was flattened the sarin acted on the walls and ends of the pipe causing a crack along the length of the pipe and also the failure of the cap on the back end. This mechanism of dispersal is essentially the same as hitting a toothpaste tube with a large mallet, which then results in the tube failing and the toothpaste being blown in many directions depending on the exact way the toothpaste skin ruptures.

If this is in fact the mechanism used to disperse the sarin, this indicates that the sarin tube was placed on the ground by individuals on the ground and not dropped from an airplane.

Figure 8 shows the improvised sarin dispenser along with a typical 122 mm artillery rocket and the modified artillery rocket used in the sarin attack of August 21, 2013 in Damascus.

At that time (August 30, 2013) the Obama White House also issued an intelligence report containing obvious inaccuracies. For example, that report stated without equivocation that the sarin carrying artillery rocket used in Damascus had been fired from Syrian government controlled areas. As it turned out, the particular munition used in that attack could not go further than roughly 2 km, very far short of any boundary controlled by the Syrian government at that time. The White House report at that time also contained other critical and important errors that might properly be described as amateurish. For example, the report claimed that the locations of the launch and impact of points of the artillery rockets were observed by US satellites. This claim was absolutely false and any competent intelligence analyst would have known that. The rockets could be seen from the Space-Based Infrared Satellite (SBIRS) but the satellite could absolutely not see the impact locations because the impact locations were not accompanied by explosions. These errors were clear indicators that the White House intelligence report had in part been fabricated and had not been vetted by competent intelligence experts.

This same situation appears to be the case with the current White House intelligence report. No competent analyst would assume that the crater cited as the source of the sarin attack was unambiguously an indication that the munition came from an aircraft. No competent analyst would assume that the photograph of the carcass of the sarin canister was in fact a sarin canister. Any competent analyst would have had questions about whether the debris in the crater was staged or real. No competent analyst would miss the fact that the alleged sarin canister was forcefully crushed from above, rather than exploded by a munition within it. All of these highly amateurish mistakes indicate that this White House report, like the earlier Obama White House Report, was not properly vetted by the intelligence community as claimed.

I have worked with the intelligence community in the past, and I have grave concerns about the politicization of intelligence that seems to be occurring with more frequency in recent times – but I know that the intelligence community has highly capable analysts in it. And if those analysts were properly consulted about the claims in the White House document they would have not approved the document going forward.

I am available to expand on these comments substantially. I have only had a few hours to quickly review the alleged White House intelligence report. But a quick perusal shows without a lot of analysis that this report cannot be correct, and it also appears that this report was not properly vetted by the intelligence community.

This is a very serious matter.

President Obama was initially misinformed about supposed intelligence evidence that Syria was the perpetrator of the August 21, 2013 nerve agent attack in Damascus. This is a matter of public record. President Obama stated that his initially false understanding was that the intelligence clearly showed that Syria was the source of the nerve agent attack. This false information was corrected when the then Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, interrupted the President while he was in an intelligence briefing. According to President Obama, Mr. Clapper told the President that the intelligence that Syria was the perpetrator of the attack was “not a slamdunk.”

The question that needs to be answered by our nation is how was the president initially misled about such a profoundly important intelligence finding? A second equally important question is how did the White House produce an intelligence report that was obviously flawed and amateurish that was then released to the public and never corrected? The same false information in the intelligence report issued by the White House on August 30, 2013 was emphatically provided by Secretary of State John Kerry in testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee!

We again have a situation where the White House has issued an obviously false, misleading and amateurish intelligence report.

The Congress and the public have been given reports in the name of the intelligence community about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, technical evidence supposedly collected by satellite systems that any competent scientists would know is false, and now from photographs of the crater that any analyst who has any competent at all would not trust as evidence.

It is late in the evening for me, so I will end my discussion here.

I stand ready to provide the country with any analysis and help that is within my power to supply. What I can say for sure herein is that what the country is now being told by the White House cannot be true and the fact that this information has been provided in this format raises the most serious questions about the handling of our national security.

Sincerely yours,

Theodore A. Postol

Professor Emeritus of Science, Technology, and National Security Policy
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Email: postol@mit.edu
Cell Phone: 617 543-7646

http://www.unz.com/article/the-nerve-agent-attack-in-khan-shaykhun-syria/

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Didn't weapons experts rebuff the second claim?

....were you referring to my post or the preceding post about the other older pile of BS the neocons used to launch the second war against Iraq....

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if true, this would be a deadly irony...very surprised reuters picked it up, stooges :twisted: saw the news on SANA but was holding back to see if the msm would dare to peep.

Syrian army says U.S.-led air strike on Wednesday hit IS poison gas depot, killing hundreds
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-gas-idUSKBN17F18D?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

the original syrian army report
http://sana.sy/en/?p=104229
 
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blutto said:
Brullnux said:
Didn't weapons experts rebuff the second claim?

....were you referring to my post or the preceding post about the other older pile of BS the neocons used to launch the second war against Iraq....

Cheers
The previous post, about the air strike which hit a chemical weapons storage. Apparently it's 'fanciful' according to Col Hamish de Bretton-Gordon (epic name I've got to say), who is a chemical weapons expert. However it's true that the UN official who oversaw the operation to take away the chemical weapons said it is possible and should not be discounted.
 
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python said:
if true, this would be a deadly irony...very surprised reuters picked it up, stooges :twisted: saw the news on SANA but was holding back to see if the msm would dare to peep.

Syrian army says U.S.-led air strike on Wednesday hit IS poison gas depot, killing hundreds
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-gas-idUSKBN17F18D?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

the original syrian army report
http://sana.sy/en/?p=104229
I just saw this too, the Independent wrote about it.
 
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....and just for funnsies there is this....

Philippe Lemoine says:

I was really hoping that Prof. Postol would share his thoughts about the attack in Khan Sheikhoun. If you are interested, I wrote a very detailed blog post, in which I examine the evidence about the recent chemical attack and compare the situation with what happened after the chemical attack in Ghouta in August 2013. I argue that, in the case of the attack in Ghouta, the media narrative had rapidly unravelled and that, for that reason, we should be extremely prudent about the recent attack and not jump to conclusions. Among other things, I discuss the ballistic analysis produced by Postol and Lloyd at the time, which showed that both the much-touted NYT/HRW analysis and the US intelligence were mistaken. I also show that, despite the fact that a lot of evidence came out that undermined the official narrative, the media never changed their stance and continued to talk as if there was no doubt that Assad’s regime was responsible for the attack. It’s more than 5,000 words long and I provide a source for every single factual claim I make. The post has already been widely shared and some people have criticized it, so I will soon post a follow-up where I reply to critics and say more about the evidence that bears on the attack in Khan Sheikhoun.

.....the blog mentioned above is here...

http://necpluribusimpar.net/chemical-attack-syria/

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@python and @blutto...very interesting stuff, fanks for posting. I posted an article from Consortium News yesterday in the US thread about intelligence agents/analysts countering the current intel spinning but there wasn't much detail in it, so I'm very interesting seeing more on this. I wonder where this will go, gain traction or be washed away...

Relevant to this thread, news breaking in the last half hour, Afghanistan has been bombed by the US with their largest non-nuclear bomb, ''the mother of all bombs'' it's being nauseatingly dubbed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gbu-43b-mother-of-all-bombs-massive-ordnance-air-blast-afghanistan-isis-a7682996.html
 
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Dan2016 said:
@python and @blutto...very interesting stuff, fanks for posting. I posted an article from Consortium News yesterday in the US thread about intelligence agents/analysts countering the current intel spinning but there wasn't much detail in it, so I'm very interesting seeing more on this. I wonder where this will go, gain traction or be washed away...

Relevant to this thread, news breaking in the last half hour, Afghanistan has been bombed by the US with their largest non-nuclear bomb, ''the mother of all bombs'' it's being nauseatingly dubbed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/gbu-43b-mother-of-all-bombs-massive-ordnance-air-blast-afghanistan-isis-a7682996.html

"Noth Korea Beware"
 
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python said:
if true, this would be a deadly irony...very surprised reuters picked it up, stooges :twisted: saw the news on SANA but was holding back to see if the msm would dare to peep.

Syrian army says U.S.-led air strike on Wednesday hit IS poison gas depot, killing hundreds
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-gas-idUSKBN17F18D?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

the original syrian army report
http://sana.sy/en/?p=104229
I just saw this too, the Independent wrote about it.

....gee not seeing much screaming in the MSMs that NATO or somebody should do some richly deserved payback and level Washington or something....you know, to teach someone a lesson or something or other....strange cause I thought that would be the fashionable thing to do....

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blutto said:
Brullnux said:
python said:
if true, this would be a deadly irony...very surprised reuters picked it up, stooges :twisted: saw the news on SANA but was holding back to see if the msm would dare to peep.

Syrian army says U.S.-led air strike on Wednesday hit IS poison gas depot, killing hundreds
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-gas-idUSKBN17F18D?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

the original syrian army report
http://sana.sy/en/?p=104229
I just saw this too, the Independent wrote about it.

....gee not seeing much screaming in the MSMs that NATO or somebody should do some richly deserved payback and level Washington or something....you know, to teach someone a lesson or something or other....strange cause I thought that would be the fashionable thing to do....

Cheers

....to confirm ?.....

DAMASCUS, SYRIA (1:30 P.M.) – The US-coalition Air Force has conducted airstrikes against ISIS positions in the eastern city of Deir Ezzor, targeting a chemical depot for the terror group which resulted in the death of hundreds of militants as well as civilian, the Syrian Ministry of Defense said in an official statement.

“Yesterday between 17:30 – 17:50 p.m., the so-called anti-ISIS coalition fighter jets struck an ISIS position in Hatla village to the east of Deir Ezzor. After the airstrike, a huge white cloud was formed –later on turned yellow – as a result of an explosion in a chemical depot. A hug fire broke out until 22:30 p.m. Hundreds have been killed – including civilians – as a result of breathing toxic materials,” the statement detailed.

The official statement said this incident confirms beyond any doubt that “terror groups, particularly ISIS and Jabhet al-Nusra, already own chemical weapons, and have the ability to obtain, transport, store and use such chemical agents with the help of some regional countries. This also stresses the fact that those terror groups are coordinating with its sponsors to accuse the Syrian Arab Army of using chemical weapons.”

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-civilians-killed-us-jets-bomb-isis-chemical-depot-deir-ezzor-syrian-mod/

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The US denies it, so it appears to be another claim/deny/claim/deny saga that will lead to nowhere for the time being.
 
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python said:
looks like the turks are voting for getting the sultanate back..
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-referendum-idUSKBN17H0CU?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

to make the sultan comfy, the west needs now to accept the wahhabi kingdom into the nato b/c they defacto are :rolleyes:

....and they would fit in quite nicely as they are on the same page in most of the things that really matter....

....and lets remember they are the backstop to the petrodollar which is the thing that keeps the West schtick going....

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python said:
looks like the turks are voting for getting the sultanate back..
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-referendum-idUSKBN17H0CU?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

to make the sultan comfy, the west needs now to accept the wahhabi kingdom into the nato b/c they defacto are :rolleyes:

....and they would fit in quite nicely as they are on the same page in most of the things that really matter....

....and lets remember they are the backstop to the petrodollar which is the thing that keeps the West schtick going....

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i think you are a little unfair to our wahhabi friends human rights..show me at least one case where, what's their name, the pajamas clad, london-based humanists pointed to the saidi king eating lungs or the beheaded corps of his sinned subjects. I challenge you to bring up a single case !!!

Untill then, u'r a wahabbi hating stooge :lol:
 
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looks like the turks are voting for getting the sultanate back..
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-referendum-idUSKBN17H0CU?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

to make the sultan comfy, the west needs now to accept the wahhabi kingdom into the nato b/c they defacto are :rolleyes:
Really bad news. I don't get why people would vote to have their own democratic rights taken away and give more power to a dangerous autocratic lunatic (soon to be dictator). Propaganda and an expertly ran campaign you'd think, as well as strong media bias. But one of the key things that won it for Erdogan was expats. Turks living in Germany voted 63/37 foe Erdogan. Yet you'd expect these people to have a more 'Western' outlook on Erdogan and read German media which is almost always against him. You'd think that they had a more objective view, perhaps, than people living in Turkey, where no doubt emotions are running high (like in every election everywhere) and lies are being spun by both sides. But apparently this has made them be pro-Erdogan, somehow.

Edit: allegations that the vote count has in fact not ended and is only 3/4 of the way through coming from the Supreme Election Board. Other allegations of voting irregularities on Erdogan's part, which there probably were. Erdogan's trick of rigging the election so that he wins, but not by enough that it looks rigged may have backfired slightly (not claiming this is actually what he did).

I look forward to BoJo declaring that this is result (51/49) isn't enough for Erdogan to go ahead with these changes. If he does so, I can already declare 2017 to be far superior to 2016 through tragic irony alone.
 
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