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CentralCaliBike said:
gee, she is making 30 grand a year...guess she must be working and taking care of her kid...yeah, it is not a perfect world, but when greed has become so outrageous, and THAT is all you justify really...then what is the point...
Maybe, just maybe, this single mother works her *** off to provide and she still gets screwed by a system that has been taken over by the rich, that has been totally GAMED...but **** her right? She deserves it and of course every rich mofo out there deserves what he or she has just by the sheer nature of his talent and effort? Are you kidding me? If you believe that I have some pretty good swamp land to sell you...total fantasy, man...but you keep on spouting it...get off the self justifying ideological disney crap and take a look around at what is actually reality...
Cash05458 said:
Wish America could have it this good.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...derstaffed-maternity-wards-sinking-chaos.html
I know I know, attack the person, the source, but don't discuss the idea.
ravens said:
huh? I am just giving the world health organization figures...not attacking anyone...but you right wing wing jobs seem to feed on stats and figures so I thought I would give some stats...of course tho, you choose not to say much via these stats...selective myoptics...
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hektoren said:
I run into this kind of person on a daily basis - and it is a much larger segment of society than you imagine.
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Cash05458 said:
Just curious, do you think that there is someone else who should take some responsibility for this situation? Perhaps the baby's father? It seems that some want to go right to the government and let him completely off the hook.
As for her rights - I think you might have missed the point that I made about having been in the same situation for most of my childhood. It is not great eating the same thing three meals a day, it certainly is not nice to have doctor bills and no insurance, I have been in both situations, so I think I know a little bit about this situation. Still, I never felt the government owed me something.
As an aside, when I started college I found that that it was far more interesting to do anything other than go to class. After the first semester, I was given a choice; come back and live at home, get the tuition only when I presented a prior semester grade of 3.5 or higher GPA, or find a way to pay for the tuition myself. Interestingly enough, that incentive resulted in much better grades than when everything was given to me.
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titan_90 said:
It is all about human nature - until you figure out a way to change that the problems are just going to be a moving target.
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titan_90 said:
The cause of infant mortality is not a failure of the medical system (or of education as some in the article I am linking claim) - it is that the US has a much higher rate of premature births caused by alcohol and drug abuse. Having dealt with the subject a lot I can tell you that the alcoholic and drug abusing mothers are not likely to go to the doctor even with insurance (most have Medi-Cal: see below) and are not going to stop using just because a doctor told them it is bad for the kids (I have heard a lot of mothers who use during pregnancy say they have been told it is harmful to the baby).
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_91391.html
"Medi-Cal is California's Medicaid health care program, and can help eligible women pay for the prenatal and maternity care they need. And through the enhanced care program, Comprehensive Perinatal Services Program, eligible women can receive complete prenatal care, health education, nutrition services, and psychosocial support for up to 60 days after delivery of their infants. The Medi-Cal income guidelines can help you determine if you are eligible for this program."
http://www.sonoma-county.org/health/ph/mcah/prenatal.htm
Here is just one example of how the government can make laws to help that are completely ignored because the individual just does not care - this mother knew that there was a place to drop off her child but did not want to drive less than a mile to the safe drop - it was her third child she abandoned: http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/article/20091124/NEWS01/911240322/Orosi-mom-sentenced-to-more-than-22-years-in-prison
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an interesting article someone passed along to me regarding climate change: http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146138
I am wondering what caused the end of the last ice age - perhaps Detroit had a few factories 11,000 years ago or so?
If you want a little entertainment read the link and ask why Canada, Colorado, and Wisconsin are not still under ice? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period
I am wondering what caused the end of the last ice age - perhaps Detroit had a few factories 11,000 years ago or so?
If you want a little entertainment read the link and ask why Canada, Colorado, and Wisconsin are not still under ice? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period
CentralCaliBike said:
I don't know what to say, really. Forming your opinions from a statistical populace of one? Yourself? Aren't you the prosecutor? If you are, would you say that the proability of a prosecutor meeting more people in conflict, or agitated, than the average Joe? Does your job permit deep interviews in an environment free of stress and pressure in order to form an opinion that's not slanted?
And, are you sure, absolutely sure that the opinions of your working environment hasn't rubbed off ever so slightly on yourself?
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CentralCaliBike said:
Wrong. For one England is not the only European State (though many Americans like to think so), and has since that conservative fascist Thatcher seen a noticable decline in the quality of the state healthcare system. England still needs to decide whether it wants to truly be a Union member, or the 51st US state. Whereas if you go to the continent, to France, Italy, Germany, for example, you will find few complaining about the quality of the socialized healthcare.
It is a propagandistic myth in the US that its medicine is lightyears ahead of the world. Were I live in Italy the best blood doctors, for example, in the world practice and US medics come to confrences in Rome to study the new treatments developed by the Italians.
Naturally for some procedures Europeans (those that can afford it) will go to the States, though this doesn't mean that generally speaking the European healthcare system isn't up to par. And it covers everyone.
The same can be said of higher education. Working in the university system here (for a US foreign program in Italy - but also for Rome's university), I can testify that in the liberal arts the European educational system is far better than America's. And I see this in my students. The Americans I get generally have no background in how to think critically in the liberal arts materials (history, philosophy, literature, art history), as if they never had been severly pushed in the secondary schools and they are so used to having mediocracy pass for excellence. Whereas the European students already at the undergraduate level, many are able to communicate ideas that I rarely see even at the Phd level in the states. Of course, unfortunately, in today's world the liberal arts are counting for less, and thus the major emphasis on the so-called university rankings falls on the sciences and technologies. Here it seems as if the private universities in the States have the advantage. And yet many professors in these universities are comming from foreign nations, both from and beyond the Europen union of course. Which means that the socialized university system in Europe is still functioning at a high level.
And one doesn't leave it with $100,000 in student loans to repay. Plus there is that underlying philosophy, of which I am naturally in agreement: namely that higher education needs to be democratic and accessable to all, regardless of one's economic state.
PP does not apply to cycling shorts is the key
PP does not apply to cycling shortsis the key
Almost all riding just to participate in the activities of drivers, have PP is not the problem, why the old drivers rarely these situations?
To solve this problem lies in upholstery, PP's tolerance, riding shorts 3:00.
First, cushions. Buy a seat is learning, and this branch of learning is still very personal. The seat is very comfortable for me, for you may be very painful, very long, who told everyone characteristic? Saddle seat is to buy several attempts to experience. Sometimes spent most of the silver finally find a more desirable seat of the saddle.
Closer to home, it said that riding pants bar, the standard of the tight cycling shorts with a pad is a road / mountain cross-country common. It can be regarded as the best clothes. Because of this cycling shorts, to use more LYCRA fabric, it is flexible strong movements freely. High-end cycling shorts protect mining and COOLMAX material permeability, very good, even in the summer wearing cycling shorts made of this fabric, or sad, president, just not grieved heart of the long prickly heat. At the same time also reduce perineal pressure is very effective.
I have been riding with JAGGAD shorts.
Under the long-distance riding crotch dry, sore problems other than for saddle seat / private riding pants, the cycling shorts can be coated cushion washed cream. (Vaseline class)
Deformation as a standard cycling shorts, as well as trousers, overalls, inner wear pants, loose pants and many other models.
PP does not apply to cycling shortsis the key
Almost all riding just to participate in the activities of drivers, have PP is not the problem, why the old drivers rarely these situations?
To solve this problem lies in upholstery, PP's tolerance, riding shorts 3:00.
First, cushions. Buy a seat is learning, and this branch of learning is still very personal. The seat is very comfortable for me, for you may be very painful, very long, who told everyone characteristic? Saddle seat is to buy several attempts to experience. Sometimes spent most of the silver finally find a more desirable seat of the saddle.
Closer to home, it said that riding pants bar, the standard of the tight cycling shorts with a pad is a road / mountain cross-country common. It can be regarded as the best clothes. Because of this cycling shorts, to use more LYCRA fabric, it is flexible strong movements freely. High-end cycling shorts protect mining and COOLMAX material permeability, very good, even in the summer wearing cycling shorts made of this fabric, or sad, president, just not grieved heart of the long prickly heat. At the same time also reduce perineal pressure is very effective.
I have been riding with JAGGAD shorts.
Under the long-distance riding crotch dry, sore problems other than for saddle seat / private riding pants, the cycling shorts can be coated cushion washed cream. (Vaseline class)
Deformation as a standard cycling shorts, as well as trousers, overalls, inner wear pants, loose pants and many other models.
Large fat riding shorts
Large fat riding shorts
Big fat riding shorts. That mountain is basically useless. Some people think that is too embarrassed to wear tights, clothing manufacturers on the production of such specially riding shorts. Article kinds of fat is usually a large riding shorts. Very poor ventilation, especially in the summer. Hot to death. Fabrics from the ground and there is no flexibility, riding up and down prone lumbar Office (instead of the standard cycling shorts higher lumbar has been adapted to bend back riding stance). Thick belt of hard breathing difficult. Ride comfort is the most important. The more comfortable, riding faster, and farther. The reason is obvious that simple. In contrast, within which to wear pants to wear outside, and then puts on a beach pants effect was good.
Pants, overalls mainly aimed at the lower seasonal temperature cycling design. This breathable fabric pants not ask for much, but its ability to better thermal insulation is usually near the feet have some reflective design, representing an increase of design aesthetics, but also to ensure the safety of night riding.
Currently using riding shorts, cycling to people who are a minority, domestic bike more of a means of transport, but if really ride, I feel riding fun.
How to say the people fond of saying how to say. Remember, you do not live for others live.
Large fat riding shorts
Big fat riding shorts. That mountain is basically useless. Some people think that is too embarrassed to wear tights, clothing manufacturers on the production of such specially riding shorts. Article kinds of fat is usually a large riding shorts. Very poor ventilation, especially in the summer. Hot to death. Fabrics from the ground and there is no flexibility, riding up and down prone lumbar Office (instead of the standard cycling shorts higher lumbar has been adapted to bend back riding stance). Thick belt of hard breathing difficult. Ride comfort is the most important. The more comfortable, riding faster, and farther. The reason is obvious that simple. In contrast, within which to wear pants to wear outside, and then puts on a beach pants effect was good.
Pants, overalls mainly aimed at the lower seasonal temperature cycling design. This breathable fabric pants not ask for much, but its ability to better thermal insulation is usually near the feet have some reflective design, representing an increase of design aesthetics, but also to ensure the safety of night riding.
Currently using riding shorts, cycling to people who are a minority, domestic bike more of a means of transport, but if really ride, I feel riding fun.
How to say the people fond of saying how to say. Remember, you do not live for others live.
To talk about cycling shorts
Have always thought that PP can accept on their own line of 100 kilometers of the test, in fact neglected the protection of the body. See what the friends and bought a JAGGAD riding pants, the use of free time every afternoon, to the Outer Ring Road on the feelings of their superior side.
Reduce the air resistance aside, referring solely to the protective effect of PP and reduce fatigue.
The riding pants are fundamentally band of the Tour de France professional racing their own design, and they knew too much about how the riding pants be called comfortable, not only riding, you can even wear it cross-country running;
It uses one-dimensional EIT leather pad technology leadership, cutting not only is no suture line, and is processed into a permanent anti-bacterial surface, without fear of washing machine wash. Considered in the design of male and female of different physical structures, Bo Hou appropriate, in short, you are worried about the problem, it has long been to help you solve.
Located at the bottom of the saddle hip elastic sheet structure with the physical freedom of movement, comfort. Wide elastic structure will suture away from the easily damaged parts. Of different thickness and density of the multi-layer structure may play a role in decompression. Soft micro-fiber surface of a permanent anti-bacterial, washing will not fall off. Specifically designed for male physical characteristics.
Full cord warp knitting fabrics in high-intensity aerobic fitness under the conditions to provide better stretch and restore, while easy to sweat.
Smooth high-elastic polyester fabric, reducing the friction with the seat, built-in sea pad seat cushion of the PP and the "hard contact" to protect the crotch and prolongs the pain produced PP time. Because of its high elasticity can tie up the legs have a certain role, but also reduce fatigue and protect the corresponding leg muscles. High-efficiency people feel very comfortable perspiration.
It is worth noting: Select riding pants, the size must be appropriate. Is too large, would not achieve any protective effect; is too small, like one for himself on the shackles. Riding, we must pay attention to short-term rest and leg muscle activity to alleviate long riding pants tie up the legs and promote blood circulation.
Have always thought that PP can accept on their own line of 100 kilometers of the test, in fact neglected the protection of the body. See what the friends and bought a JAGGAD riding pants, the use of free time every afternoon, to the Outer Ring Road on the feelings of their superior side.
Reduce the air resistance aside, referring solely to the protective effect of PP and reduce fatigue.
The riding pants are fundamentally band of the Tour de France professional racing their own design, and they knew too much about how the riding pants be called comfortable, not only riding, you can even wear it cross-country running;
It uses one-dimensional EIT leather pad technology leadership, cutting not only is no suture line, and is processed into a permanent anti-bacterial surface, without fear of washing machine wash. Considered in the design of male and female of different physical structures, Bo Hou appropriate, in short, you are worried about the problem, it has long been to help you solve.
Located at the bottom of the saddle hip elastic sheet structure with the physical freedom of movement, comfort. Wide elastic structure will suture away from the easily damaged parts. Of different thickness and density of the multi-layer structure may play a role in decompression. Soft micro-fiber surface of a permanent anti-bacterial, washing will not fall off. Specifically designed for male physical characteristics.
Full cord warp knitting fabrics in high-intensity aerobic fitness under the conditions to provide better stretch and restore, while easy to sweat.
Smooth high-elastic polyester fabric, reducing the friction with the seat, built-in sea pad seat cushion of the PP and the "hard contact" to protect the crotch and prolongs the pain produced PP time. Because of its high elasticity can tie up the legs have a certain role, but also reduce fatigue and protect the corresponding leg muscles. High-efficiency people feel very comfortable perspiration.
It is worth noting: Select riding pants, the size must be appropriate. Is too large, would not achieve any protective effect; is too small, like one for himself on the shackles. Riding, we must pay attention to short-term rest and leg muscle activity to alleviate long riding pants tie up the legs and promote blood circulation.
Swimsuit shopping
BIKINI season is upon us, this summer to follow the footsteps of fashion, replaced by superior passenger and goods movement swimsuit anizzia, show self-confident posture swimsuit!
Note Material: Since the bikini is also very popular within the ride, I believe we should pay attention to when shopping stores indicate whether the material can be cloth into the water, in general, swimsuit material to be used are polyester fibers (Polyester), Lycra (Lycra ), nylon (Nylon), elastic fabric (Spandex) and other chemical fabric is correct.
Note Size: Most of the stores will offer Dimension table for your reference, but because of swimsuits will be launched moisture, allow expansion of the loose fabric, it is recommended you can pick longer than their normal dress size smaller SIZE will not Goof .
How to clean: The Swimsuit soaked in clean water by adding detergent to gently rub, do not use dryer, dry in the shade can be a natural.
Additional Notes
Oil, chemicals and so would undermine the swimsuit material, into the water before the correct order should be: put on bathing suits and then smear suntan lotion, playing in the water body after the first rinsing with clean water and then off swimwear.
To avoid wearing bathing suits after the stuffy home bags will cause heating ham color.
BIKINI season is upon us, this summer to follow the footsteps of fashion, replaced by superior passenger and goods movement swimsuit anizzia, show self-confident posture swimsuit!
Note Material: Since the bikini is also very popular within the ride, I believe we should pay attention to when shopping stores indicate whether the material can be cloth into the water, in general, swimsuit material to be used are polyester fibers (Polyester), Lycra (Lycra ), nylon (Nylon), elastic fabric (Spandex) and other chemical fabric is correct.
Note Size: Most of the stores will offer Dimension table for your reference, but because of swimsuits will be launched moisture, allow expansion of the loose fabric, it is recommended you can pick longer than their normal dress size smaller SIZE will not Goof .
How to clean: The Swimsuit soaked in clean water by adding detergent to gently rub, do not use dryer, dry in the shade can be a natural.
Additional Notes
Oil, chemicals and so would undermine the swimsuit material, into the water before the correct order should be: put on bathing suits and then smear suntan lotion, playing in the water body after the first rinsing with clean water and then off swimwear.
To avoid wearing bathing suits after the stuffy home bags will cause heating ham color.
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I can't believe the Obama thread got "bot"ed...
Anyway, just want to jump in here for a second with a few of my thoughts.
My disclaimer is this: I have no stats, I do not have an educational background worthy of discussing the merits (or lack) of various societies or political afiliations for that matter.
I can only speak from my own experiences and opinions. I'm American and I live in Norway for about 2 years now.
2 years ago I was equating socialism with communism...without really knowing it. It was what I was taught, what I was told, what was ingrained in me...maybe not consciously, but it was there. I think that line of thinking still sits firmly in American politics. This belief that socialism is evil. I think possibly, just maybe, if a socialist society was purely just that..then there may be a sliver of data to back up that argument. But the truth is that it's social democracy and I truly believe that the system(s) here in Europe and the US, at their core, are not so far from eachother. But we are led to believe otherwise.
As recently as 2 years ago I was flat opposed to a social health care system, then I moved to a country that has one. It works...it works well. I can honestly say, from personal experience (no stats), that the system works well, the quality of care (with a huge emphasis on care) is as good or better than anything I experienced in the US. In a lot of ways the health care is better.
I will also add that in a system such as the one I live in...you are free to pursue whatever you want. You want to patent the "next big thing" and make it big...fantastic...you can do that. It's not discouraged. It's your right to go for it if you choose. But you can also live quite happily in the middle class...heck, the "lower class" is okay...because those basics requirements are covered.
I liked the example someone used earlier about the single mom making 30K a year. She, and her children, are covered here. Simply put. And that's the right thing to do. It has nothing to do with the "missing father" as used as the only counter argument I saw to that. While that avenue (going after the deadbeat dad) is still pursued in this system...it's not at the cost or risk to the single mother and her children.
Let's face it...there are deadbeat parents in the world...regardless of where one is located...should the parent who's trying to do the right thing and that parents children suffer because of it. If your answer is anything other than a resounding no...then I respectfully request that you try and put yourself in that parents shoes and reassess your opinion.
Stats are all well and good, but the old addage "until you've walked a mile in his or her shoes..." applies well here.
My personal opinion: Taxes are higher...quality of life is better. I think it's a wonderful trade.
Anyway, just want to jump in here for a second with a few of my thoughts.
My disclaimer is this: I have no stats, I do not have an educational background worthy of discussing the merits (or lack) of various societies or political afiliations for that matter.
I can only speak from my own experiences and opinions. I'm American and I live in Norway for about 2 years now.
2 years ago I was equating socialism with communism...without really knowing it. It was what I was taught, what I was told, what was ingrained in me...maybe not consciously, but it was there. I think that line of thinking still sits firmly in American politics. This belief that socialism is evil. I think possibly, just maybe, if a socialist society was purely just that..then there may be a sliver of data to back up that argument. But the truth is that it's social democracy and I truly believe that the system(s) here in Europe and the US, at their core, are not so far from eachother. But we are led to believe otherwise.
As recently as 2 years ago I was flat opposed to a social health care system, then I moved to a country that has one. It works...it works well. I can honestly say, from personal experience (no stats), that the system works well, the quality of care (with a huge emphasis on care) is as good or better than anything I experienced in the US. In a lot of ways the health care is better.
I will also add that in a system such as the one I live in...you are free to pursue whatever you want. You want to patent the "next big thing" and make it big...fantastic...you can do that. It's not discouraged. It's your right to go for it if you choose. But you can also live quite happily in the middle class...heck, the "lower class" is okay...because those basics requirements are covered.
I liked the example someone used earlier about the single mom making 30K a year. She, and her children, are covered here. Simply put. And that's the right thing to do. It has nothing to do with the "missing father" as used as the only counter argument I saw to that. While that avenue (going after the deadbeat dad) is still pursued in this system...it's not at the cost or risk to the single mother and her children.
Let's face it...there are deadbeat parents in the world...regardless of where one is located...should the parent who's trying to do the right thing and that parents children suffer because of it. If your answer is anything other than a resounding no...then I respectfully request that you try and put yourself in that parents shoes and reassess your opinion.
Stats are all well and good, but the old addage "until you've walked a mile in his or her shoes..." applies well here.
My personal opinion: Taxes are higher...quality of life is better. I think it's a wonderful trade.
rhubroma said:
As to the health systems, there are pros and cons on both sides of the Atlantic. It's fair to say that the american system of one physician assigned to you and your wellbeing, having a personal responsibility, is a good one. On the other hand it ensures a lot of unneccessary tests being done, just in case, to avoid getting sued for neglect.
But take a macroeconomic look at it: Is it really likely that a system, that in addition to the health professionals has to feed a bunch of insurance companies and lawyers, will produce more bang for the buck?
Americans are fiercely proud and patriotic when it comes to their soldiers. And deservedly so! Only the best is good enough for the men and women who took a hit for their country, but why then do they have to rely on a public health system to take care of them? Is a public health system good enough or not? I wish the political right would make their mind up.
hektoren said:
The system that takes care of our service people and their families is excellent. If a system half as good was available to the general public 90% of the US health care problems would be addressed . That looks like pie in the sky at this point given the politics as usual Joe Lieberman BS that has taken place in the last couple of days. What we should do is help dump money on prenatal care by helping mothers have healthier babies. The tiny amount of money spent on baby/mother health care would serve all of us well. Putting the littlest Americans behind the 8 ball because their mother doesn't have access to a doctor and vitamins that cost less than 250 bucks full term is really myopic. The 100's of 1000's of dollars spent treating and educating kids who have preventable conditions is a strange and useless way to do things. We need a FRAM oil filter spot for health care.
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hektoren said:
I guess you forgot what you had written "You'll seldom come across people who don't thrive on feeling useful and doing a good job, be it to family or society at large." This is not my experience. Obviously I run into a different class of people than most of the people on this forum, however, perhaps that means I also have more experience with a large number of people who are welfare recipients.
Getting back the the medical issues, as mentioned in earlier posts, there is prenatal medical care available for low income and no income populations in this country - it is just not something that a drug addict is all that interested in most of the time. Somewhat like the fact that there is education available for all through high school in the US, however, it is not something that motivates drug addicts and gang members - I just do not see free college going to help those people either.
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rhubroma said:
Free college for all just means that those who do not wish to go to college end up paying for the college of those who do. You might not be aware, but public universities in the US are subsidized by the state. I happened to go to school in Arizona which paid for 80% of the costs of students that were residents of Arizona. I happen to agree with government subsidies for college (which basically does the same thing) but at least it weeds out some of those who are interested in college as a way of hanging out with their friends. I happen to still be paying for law school (19 years after graduation), and certainly would not turn down an offer for the government to pay it all for me. Somehow I was able to find a way to go grad school and survive with the costs.
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CentralCaliBike said:I take it that a bot is someone who has an opinion that you disagree with
No not at all.
An actual bot hit the thread with 4 or 5 "men's oversized padding esential in shorts" and "it's bikini season" etc etc. They were on the thread for an hour or so and then deleted...pretty fast reaction from a mod or someone I guess.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion in my book.
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flyor64 said:
Got it - must have happened overnight here. Thanks
I just realized te bot must have lost directions to the Tiger thread
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