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blutto said:
....what a bunch of hooey....this from a "Ukrainian" no less....

Cheers

In guess I misunderstood when Russia and his drunk military occupied Crimea, Vlad said they didn't, then he said he did.

The latest generation Russian tank, never exported, has been seen in Eastern Ukraine, with Russian crews, firing on civilian towns, killing nobody but teenagers and women. BUT pretty on par with what Russia can successfully fight, I'd love to see them toe to toe with a USArmy Brigade, short work.

I guess you will be OK with being under Vlad's thumb then? Try to speak Ukrainian in public, and be arrested? Be a colony of Russia, for gas pipelines, so Vlad can get richer than his billions he already has, on your back??

Have fun.
 
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In guess I misunderstood when Russia and his drunk military occupied Crimea, Vlad said they didn't, then he said he did.

The latest generation Russian tank, never exported, has been seen in Eastern Ukraine, with Russian crews, firing on civilian towns, killing nobody but teenagers and women. BUT pretty on par with what Russia can successfully fight, I'd love to see them toe to toe with a USArmy Brigade, short work.

I guess you will be OK with being under Vlad's thumb then? Try to speak Ukrainian in public, and be arrested? Be a colony of Russia, for gas pipelines, so Vlad can get richer than his billions he already has, on your back??

Have fun.

...well, to begin with, both the Crimea and eastern Ukrainian became part of The Ukraine as part of a bureaucratic reshuffling of the map and ethnic considerations had little to do with it ( read very few if any Ukrainians in most parts of those regions which were never historically part of The Ukraine.. )...

...in Crimea the population followed the blueprint mapped by the US and its European vassals when Kosovo gained independence...they voted to leave the corrupt insanity of modern Ukraine and rejoin Russia....

...the situation in eastern Russia is somewhat similar but for a few more Ukrainians....that population wants no part of the mess in Kiev and want, at the very least, a much more arms length relationship....

....so tell me please how many times has Russia "invaded" The Ukraine in the last several months ....and then explain how, beyond some uncorroborated reports, no definitive proof has ever been put forward....

...btwn the vast majority of the casualty count has been civilians in eastern Ukrainian...killed primarily by indiscriminate bombing/shelling of urban areas by Ukrainian forces ( usually of the fascist/rabid nationalist persuasion who are on a mission to literally wipe out the ethnic Russian presence in eastern Ukraine....the real Ukrainian army has shown no stomach for this and it shows in the dismal results of their efforts )...

...and why do I say this?....well because we still have family in The Ukraine and I can rely on their insight rather than the crap that is being reported in the Western press and which you are unfortunately relying on....

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...well, to begin with, both the Crimea and eastern Ukrainian became part of The Ukraine as part bureaucratic reshuffling of the map and ethnic considerations had little to do with it ( read very few if any Ukrainians in most parts of those regions which were never historically part of The Ukraine.. )...

...in Crimea the population followed the blueprint mapped by the US and its European vassals when Kosovo gained independence...they voted to leave the corrupt insanity of modern Ukraine and rejoin Russia....

...the situation in eastern Russia is somewhat similar but for a few more Ukrainians....that population wants no part of the mess in Kiev and want, at the very least, a much more arms length relationship....

....so tell me please how many times has Russia "invaded" The Ukraine in the last several months ....and then explain how, beyond some uncorroborated reports, no definitive proof has ever been put forward....

...btwn the vast majority of the casualty count has been civilians in eastern Ukrainian...killed primarily by indiscriminate bombing/shelling of urban areas by Ukrainian forces ( usually of the fascist/rabid nationalist persuasion who are on a mission to literally wipe out the ethnic Russian presence in eastern Ukraine....the real Ukrainian army has shown no stomach for this and it shows in the dismal results of their efforts )...

...and why do I say this?....well because we still have family in The Ukraine and I can rely on their insight rather than the crap that is being reported in the Western press and which you are unfortunately relying on....

Cheers

Kruschev gave it back to the Ukrainians. He was Russian(Soviet).

Do you really believe that no Russian troops nor equipment are involved in Eastern Ukraine? I guess you ARE a Vlad fan-boy then.

Do a google search, there are ton's of pictures of Russian equipment and troops, with uniform unit badges, in Ukraine and in Crimea, when Vlad was saying they weren't there. But I'm sure you think it's a NATO and USA plot to deceive.
 
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Kruschev gave it back to the Ukrainians. He was Russian(Soviet).

Do you really believe that no Russian troops nor equipment are involved in Eastern Ukraine? I guess you ARE a Vlad fan-boy then.

Do a google search, there are ton's of pictures of Russian equipment and troops, with uniform unit badges, in Ukraine and in Crimea, when Vlad was saying they weren't there. But I'm sure you think it's a NATO and USA plot to deceive.

...no I am not a Vlad fan boy but am definitely a Ukrainian fan boy ( from a long line of Ukrainian fan boys, many of whom incidentally, gave their lives fighting for an independent Ukraine against the Germans and then the Soviets ) and one who is mightily pi$$ed off that the US of A is creating in The Ukraine another Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria style quagmire to get some geopolitical advantage....and destroying a country much as they did in Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria...and be forewarned I have a much loved dog in this fight, a dog btwn who has been f#%ked over for centuries ( so I apologize beforehand if I'm not as polite around this topic as I generally am )....

...and frankly, as much as it galls me to say this, compared to the corrupt Nazi scum who are running the Kiev regime, Vlad is an angel, though that is not saying much...

...and btw there is ample evidence to show that while Khrushchev was a Soviet he was a Ukrainian Soviet...and he simply gave it to, never gave it back, because it was never there in the first place...

...btw love your conflation of Russian and Soviet which really shows a fundamental and typically Yanqui ignorance of the ethno-political situation in the old USSR....remember Stalin was a Georgian, and Brezhnev was arguably a Ukrainian and Gorbachev was half Ukrainian and Chernenko was Ukrainian...

...and of course there was a Russian presence in Crimea because they were there prior to the Kiev coup by an agreed-upon treaty....

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even some western media are starting to figure out what the ukraining govt is doig to their compatriots in the east
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/26/ukraine-donetsk-travel-permit-medicines
Ukrainians in disputed areas suffer as Kiev restricts access to food, electricity and medicines
is it not modeled on the gaza west-supported concentration camp but 7 times the size ?

but i have to be fair to the the israeli - at least they don't fire multiple rockets in the town centers to to cowardly accuse the rebels bombing their own bus stations, electrical generators and mines...the israelis at least own up to their deeds.

in another significant development, after months of being quiet, today vlad called the ukrainian army a 'nato foreign legion'. this does not sound like a mere rhetoric to me - he means action as the 'nato foreign legion' is being thrown out of town after town and surrounded in droves...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015...KZ0L920150126?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
 
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Some good news at last!

KOBANE BORDER—Kurdish forces inside Kobane said today that the city is now under full control and Islamic State (ISIS) militants have been driven out of all neighborhoods.

Muslih Zebari, a Peshmerga commander in Kobane told Rudaw that ISIS militants remain only in a small village attached to the city “And the Peshmerga and YPG fighters are already on their way there,”

“Retaking that village is easy and today all of Kobane will be free,” he said.

A strong ISIS force invaded Kobane in mid-September last year but a coalition of YPG fighters, Peshmerga and US airstrikes halted the radical group’s advance until it was liberated today.

http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/260120151
 
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RetroActive said:

...interesting....remember hearing a CBC Ideas episode that addressed this issue....now that was some time ago and maybe the issue has since been resolved but it definitely was noteworthy at the time....

...but do recall one line that was along the lines of....." because AIDS research has been taken over by the same scientific culture that is involved in finding a cure for cancer we may never find a cure for AIDS in our lifetime..."

Cheers
 
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blutto said:
...interesting....remember hearing a CBC Ideas episode that addressed this issue....now that was some time ago and maybe the issue has since been resolved but it definitely was noteworthy at the time....

...but do recall one line that was along the lines of....." because AIDS research has been taken over by the same scientific culture that is involved in finding a cure for cancer we may never find a cure for AIDS in our lifetime..."

Cheers

Is there even such a thing as HIV? Let alone AIDS...just let that sink in.

The culture is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and Public Relations campaigns, in other words propaganda.

Then I think about definitive statements about the safety of GMOs (by plant scientists while the medical professionals are saying show us the independent long term studies...crickets).

...and then there's global warming...

Humans like cohesive b.s. (belief system) and science becomes religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IifgAvXU3ts
 
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....a correct assessment?....wild eyed propaganda?....

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“Panic in Kiev: Ukrainian forces surrender Donbass”

International observers report of growing panic in Kiev in connection with the successful counteroffensive of the separatists near Donbass.

Over a week of fighting the partisans have delivered a heavy blow to the Ukrainian forces. The group of Ukrainian fighters in Donbas suffered huge losses, the soldiers are demoralized, the officers are confused and unable to control the situation.

Ukrainian military leadership is seriously concerned of a new encirclement near Debaltsevo, as well as in other areas.

The situation is made worse by the fact that army and national guard reserves are almost completely depleted, and plugging the gaps in defense using small formations canoot stabilize the front. Besides, the Ukrainian forces are running low on ordnance, food and medical supplies.

In turn, the partisan field commanders report 752 killed Ukrainian military personnel, 59 destroyed tanks and a large number of people taken prisoner. In view of their combat successes, the partisans are refusing to take part in any further negotiations in the format of the Minsk agreements and threaten to continue the counterattack.

Local authorities in Ukrainian-controlled districts near the front report that Ukrainian soldiers are deserting with their weapons and taking to looting the countryside in increasing numbers.

In this critical situation the military is afraid to report to president Poroshenko the real situation in the southeast of the country, hiding from him the full scale of the catastrophe.

The head of state is still convinced that the situation is under control, and hopes that in case of a real threat he will still have the chance to ask the West for help.
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...or proof that beyond a bunch of corrupt oligarchs and their camp followers, as well as some rabid nationalistic Nazis the populace ( which includes the common soldiers in the Ukrainian army ) of The Ukraine simply has no faith in the Kiev regime and does not support them or their putsch?...

Cheers
 
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A little surprised there's been no talk here about the recent landslide election in Greece, with the far left, anti-austerity, anti-bailout Syriza party coming into power.

This could be both very interesting on it's own to see first how well the country recovers after a near decade of harsh economic clampdown, and how Alexis Tsipras can wiggle through the straightjacket that's been placed on the country. It's also going to be interesting to see how long he can keep people interested, hopeful. Also how well the coalition he hopes to build with the centrist independents plays out.

This could very well be a barometer for many other countries in Europe, though I don't see the closed minded US taking much notice at all, even if there were a huge economic turnaround and boom in Greece.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
A little surprised there's been no talk here about the recent landslide election in Greece, with the far left, anti-austerity, anti-bailout Syriza party coming into power.

This could be both very interesting on it's own to see first how well the country recovers after a near decade of harsh economic clampdown, and how Alexis Tsipras can wiggle through the straightjacket that's been placed on the country. It's also going to be interesting to see how long he can keep people interested, hopeful. Also how well the coalition he hopes to build with the centrist independents plays out.

This could very well be a barometer for many other countries in Europe, though I don't see the closed minded US taking much notice at all, even if there were a huge economic turnaround and boom in Greece.


It's good news, hopefully they can influence the larger narrative. It sounds like business as usual in Greece just became business on notice. Meet the new finance minister :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbxZB6HYY8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJP1Ysx47fo
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
A little surprised there's been no talk here about the recent landslide election in Greece, with the far left, anti-austerity, anti-bailout Syriza party coming into power.

This could be both very interesting on it's own to see first how well the country recovers after a near decade of harsh economic clampdown, and how Alexis Tsipras can wiggle through the straightjacket that's been placed on the country. It's also going to be interesting to see how long he can keep people interested, hopeful. Also how well the coalition he hopes to build with the centrist independents plays out.

This could very well be a barometer for many other countries in Europe, though I don't see the closed minded US taking much notice at all, even if there were a huge economic turnaround and boom in Greece.

For the US to take interest, other than the pundits becoming livid over the good-for-nothing socialists taking power, a threat to its own economic growth would have to result, though at least it should recognize its own ponderous role in the Troika.

While Tsipras has said he is not going to even talk with the Troika, the EU yes, but the Troika no. The EU, though, only in terms of each member, including Germany, being considered of the exact same democratic weight as everyone else. One understands why Germany doesn't want to loose profit on loan interest repayments, however, it would do well to remember that in 1953 it had its debt cut from like 150% of GNP to 30% overnight, lest the post-War austerity measures, exactly like Greece today, kill the German country and its society. At the same time the Teutonic state has profited enormously through its export industry by the EU, including Greece.

Under the austerity regime imposed by the Troika, Greece has seen its unemployment skyrocket and its debt/GNP ratio go through the roof. The country is repeatedly giving its pound of flesh to the IMF (under US power) and Wall Street, the EU central bank and EU Commission (the infamous Troika), while its economy continues its downward slump; so that rather than its debt diminishing, it is actually increasing without abate and without much prospect of a reduction. Such a condition is obviously untenable in the long run, while it has inevitably paved the way for social crisis and reactionaries, including the increasing popularity of the neo-Nazi Alba Dorata party.

The rise of Syriza potentially brings the EU to a crossroads, for which other anti-Troika political movements like Spain's Podemos could follow suit. It will be interesting to see whether or not the central left in Italy and France will realize the mistakes it has made in 2012, when the terms of Greece's debt were re-negotiated always in favor of the banks.

For their part the banks are, of course, both terrified and scornful of the prospect of Greece getting what it needs to avoid further economic hardship, if not social meltdown: an immediate reduction of its sovereign debt and a cut in the interest rates of its repayment. This is naturally because of a domino effect by other countries like Spain, Portugal and Italy demanding the same treatment. At the same time, this is exactly the treatment Germany got in 1953.

There exists, I imagine, publicity in favor of the Troika, but after an internet search all I came up with was an implacable zero "likes" and hundreds of "don't likes." For as much as it is approximative and summary, the results struck me. I at least imagined a debate, but instead got a chorus of hostility, a noisy crowd of multiple facets before an authority apparently without voice and thus without a manifest ideology. I asked myself, what sort of power doesn't have a voice, at least not one that clearly states its agenda and argues its positions? Is it too sure of itself? Is it so arrogant as to not even feel the need to have to speak up, or does it rather know that if it did open its mouth and in no uncertain terms revealed its progect wouldn't be capable of articulating a discourse in favor of itself? It's difficult to say, other than a power that is so little communicative, at the limits of a mystery, can't but fuel the fire (often incoherent and noxious) of conspiracy theories.

Whatever the outcome at least the Troika will at last be forced to speak up and the EU face the demons of an economic union without social principle, which is the larger narrative of which Retro has spoken.

Lastly while much of the burden has been self-inflicted through rampant political corruption and tax evasion, it should also be recalled that that political corruption was born of neoliberal policy by banks like Goldman Sachs pursuing its one-thought ideology in helping Greece cover-up its debt that furthered the same corruption that has ruined the Greek state. At the same time tax evasion doesn't come from the public job sector, which is the same apparatus that the Troika is demanding to be cut in the name of "structural reforms."
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Also how well the coalition he hopes to build with the centrist independents plays out.

His coalition partners are no "centrist independents". 'Independent Greece' (ANEL) is a nasty far right party with decidedly anti-Semitic views. There is much shock and disbelief on the left that Tsipras got into bed with these scum so quickly purely on the basis of a common objection to the imposed austerity, and their shared Euro-skepticism.
 
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Honestly, I think European left is surprisingly mild with criticism on their choice of coalition party, since most of them are still in a festive victory mood.

But apparently ANEL was the only realistic choice. All parties somehow related with the previous government (To Potami, Dimar) were excluded by definition, and KKE (stalinist) refuses to cooperate with anyone.
 
Amsterhammer said:
His coalition partners are no "centrist independents". 'Independent Greece' (ANEL) is a nasty far right party with decidedly anti-Semitic views. There is much shock and disbelief on the left that Tsipras got into bed with these scum so quickly purely on the basis of a common objection to the imposed austerity, and their shared Euro-skepticism.

True. Unfortunately that's politics, in the sense that if Tsipras has any chance of standing down the Troika it at least needs to stand united at home. This means dancing with "independent Greece," but at least not Alba Dorata. Although as far as I can tell Tsipras is not Euro-skeptic (in the sense it wants out of the union and its single currency), just anti-austerity and opposed to the Maastrich Treaty and its fiscal tyranny.

In Italy it is much the same with Renzi's PD unfortunately having to dance with a convicted criminal's party to get a President of the Republic politically elected. Although if Italy were in Greece's shoes I wouldn't put it past the PD coming to terms with the Northern League, or at least M5S which is decidedly anti-EU and wants the lira back.
 
Syriza is a red herring. They've never wished exit the euro, even less the EU, they will not modify any article of the TFEU nor the TEU, they won't inflect any decision made by the Commission. The Greeks will be disillusioned very soon.

The only say to stop austerity is leaving the EU.

Only EPAM in Greece has a consistent stance on the EU.:)
 
New scoop by Panamza.

When one of the Kouachi made his last speech to BFM TV during the hostage taking in the printing house, he was mumbled his words by somebody else.

"J'ai ?t? envoy? -moi, Ch?rif Kouachi- par Al-Qa?da du Y?men et que je suis parti l?-bas, et que c'est Cheikh Anwar Al-Awlaki qui m'a financ?."

"I - Sherif Kouachi - was sent by Al Qa?da and that I went there and that Sheikh Anwar Al-Awlaki financed me"

In the clip by news channel BFM, you can hear a cut of 2" between the time he says "Yemen" and the time he says "et". Hesitation?

Actually not because radio channel RMC (Monaco) got the original version of that conversation. and the break between the moment he says "Yemen" and the moment he says "et" is longer and you can distinctly hear a voice say: "tu pes parti faire un stage l?-bas" ("you've been there on a training session") - so in Yemen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN6AjCaxhog#t=224 (in French)

Who could that person have been? His brother? Why would he have reminded him of such a minor detail since he's supposed to be his partner in the commando? And why would BFM have censored the passage?

This is no "Saunday CT". It's good investigation journalism.

Looks like the two idiots have been screwed by the mastermind of the operation. :eek:
 
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For the US to take interest, other than the pundits becoming livid over the good-for-nothing socialists taking power, a threat to its own economic growth would have to result.

Amsterhammer said:
'Independent Greece' (ANEL) is a nasty far right party with decidedly anti-Semitic views..
Thanks for the clarity.

Good posts. Interesting situation.

Rhub's post about the how's and why's and relentless suffering under austerity in Greece very informative. I too am very curious to see how well this plays out.

Recall that when Bolivia elected a far-left Evo Morales, the country turned around dramatically in a positive way, though it took a few years. Will this happen to Greece? Or are the factions too split, the debt too deep?
 
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