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[FoxxyBrown1111]

Wow! Muslima Obama rants against Moscow. How low can it get? The worst puppet ever "working" in the White House (hope is here, that all brave Americans throw this evil and his cohorts out of office forever*, such a spineless coward), even lower than GWB and Reagan. Watta farce!

* At least the republicans save face by positioning their POV before elections...

 

[Amsterhammer]

Wow! Muslima Obama rants against Moscow. How low can it get? The worst puppet ever "working" in the White House (hope is here, that all brave Americans throw this evil and his cohorts out of office forever*, such a spineless coward), even lower than GWB and Reagan. Watta farce!

* At least the republicans save face by positioning their POV before elections...

You object when you're called out as having turned into a xenophobic crypto-fascist, and then you go and write appalling, bigoted, scheissdreck like this, in the kind of language typical of the worst, far right, Murican whackjobs. You can only be deeply ashamed at how far you have fallen.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Wow! Muslima Obama rants against Moscow. How low can it get? The worst puppet ever "working" in the White House (hope is here, that all brave Americans throw this evil and his cohorts out of office forever*, such a spineless coward), even lower than GWB and Reagan. Watta farce!

* At least the republicans save face by positioning their POV before elections...

Coming from a German, who's ancestors undoubtedly supported those 'patriots' in Western Ukraine, during WWII, who supported Hitler vs the Russians. Aren't you on the wrong side of the 'fence'??
Shouldn't you be in eastern Germany?

 

[blackcat]

Bill Moyers on the history of horrific violence repeating itself. Only this story is from the United States, the year 1916, a scant century ago.



God Bless America.

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/2/11/as_study_finds_4_000_lynchings

 

[Echoes]

Gotta love all those people quarreling among themselves while they are philosophically on the same side (referring to the last posts on the last page).

By the way the number of conversions to Islam are on the rise in France since CH attack. Very good news

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You object when you're called out as having turned into a xenophobic crypto-fascist, and then you go and write appalling, bigoted, scheissdreck like this, in the kind of language typical of the worst, far right, Murican whackjobs. You can only be deeply ashamed at how far you have fallen.

Thank you! I take every single word as a compliment. But only coz it came from you.

Sorry, but I cant stand big time liars like Obama. And what words I take to describe muslim lover Obama is my business... Thus, another:

Coming from a German, who's ancestors undoubtedly supported those 'patriots' in Western Ukraine, during WWII, who supported Hitler vs the Russians. Aren't you on the wrong side of the 'fence'??
Shouldn't you be in eastern Germany?

I take the right side, as always. In this case it is the freedom fighters of Ukraine and Russias Putin vs the imperialists and warmongers from the USA and their puppet EU politic clowns.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

By the way the number of conversions to Islam are on the rise in France since CH attack. Very good news

Especially for SM women who love to be opressed. I think the islam is the perfect fit for them. They are helpless anyway, so who cares? I dont give a shit about idiots. No matter if women or men. And it cant get any dumber than a woman converting to a "religion" that advertises slavery, misogyny, holy wars, and all the other crimes described in the evil book of the wrong prophet.

 

[python]

i dont know how significant it may eventually turn, but i doubt that merkel, hollande, poroshenko and putin EVER had a diplomatic marathon as long as the one just ended - 17 hours ferckinh hours !

have they achieved anything ?

to avoid spinning as much as possible, i tried to listen to the participants (through their media) in their native words as soon as they let the media in...


france 24 reports seem cautiously optimistic and devoid of the usual harsh anti-vlad rhetoric. the stress is on the ceasefire, and the withdrawal of artillery agreements. 'hollande is satisfied' whatever that means

the DW is similar to france24 but with more emphasis on the vlad role. merkel personally noted that he put enormous pressure on the rebel leaders to sign the agreement to hold fire. i wonder would she risk to sound like a fool so publicly if she believed, as virtually all western media, they are nothing but mere vlad's puppets.

the ukrainian unian declaired a victory. the 'heroic poroshenko withstood enormous pressure' from vlad to allow federalization of the rebel regions. they also report that vlad agreed to let the ukrainian military to control the border which currently under the rebel control (frankly, i dont get why would rebels let their sworn enemy control their lifeline for nothing in return)

the actual agreement seems to consist of some 13 or 14 points most of which are still to be agreed on how to be enforced.

if i was to sum up the marathon results (or what's become known) and compare them to the results of the previous minsk agreement - they achieved NOTHING they haven't sighned before. NOTHING.

except of course, in the mean time the rebels expanded their territory by several thousand sq. kms. plus, they surrounded another 7 thousand uki troops under debaltseva and have managed to hang on...

looks like the vlad tactic of well timed on/off offensives is working perfectly.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Thank you! I take every single word as a compliment. But only coz it came from you.

Sorry, but I cant stand big time liars like Obama. And what words I take to describe muslim lover Obama is my business... Thus, another:



I take the right side, as always. In this case it is the freedom fighters of Ukraine and Russias Putin vs the imperialists and warmongers from the USA and their puppet EU politic clowns.

We'll see who blinks. Russian front line troops and equipment that get their **** spanked by a 4th rate military, Ukraine. Arm them and they might march toward Moscow. I'm sure Russia has a place for you in their ranks. Time to step up there Boris.

 

[python]

We'll see who blinks. Russian front line troops and equipment that get their **** spanked by a 4th rate military, Ukraine. Arm them and they might march toward Moscow. I'm sure Russia has a place for you in their ranks. Time to step up there Boris.

if you wrote while being sober, you are certainly grossly misinformed...every source, even the western msm have acknowledged it.

using your own vocabulary, 'the drunken rebels' have been pushing around the regular gov't military enforced by the fanatical volunteers most of whom are said to be extreme right (or according to others local neo nazis).

we know who will blink first - those who could not win even against the 3d world military like in iraq and afghanistan...

just to add another doze of realism to your delusional views (yes, i think you're delusional sometimes).

vlad's 'drunken military' (and it was established a rather poorly equipped one by the later nato studies) had slapped around the american-trained and equipped georgian military in 2008 in something like 5-6 days.

all the american equipment and instructors and even the uniforms amounted to a humiliating defeat when the soldiers dont care or dont know how to fight. a whole georgian battalion withdrawn from iraq was destroyed.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

...All the american equipment and instructors and even the uniforms amounted to a humiliating defeat when the soldiers dont care or dont know how to fight.

This.

It's been an experience the US has still yet to learn in Iraq, many other places through the decades.

I'm still of the mainstream thinking that Vlad will do what he can to keep nationalism up in order to distract from his horrible economic performance, even if it means a full on attack in Ukraine. How will Russians and the rest of the world respond? I don't think he cares. Or at least it's low on his priority list.

 

[blutto]

....one of the problems that led to the push for peace was that Willy Wonka's War ( dare we call it WW3...or more better, www3....) was going very very badly....to the extent that the current fighting could have led to the collapse of the Ukrainian army ( and the number of neo-Nazis is somewhat limited and frankly they don't fight very well though they are very good at sitting safely behind the front lines and indiscriminately lobbing shells and missiles into urban areas and killing civilians.....which btw they really don't care a whit about because hey for them those civilians aren't really people but rather just ragheads, errr, Russians which should be exterminated since they are religious fanatics, err, minions of Vlad and therefore evil by definition... )

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/02/08/kievs-bloody-war-is-backfiring/

....and...

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/02/10/free-ruslan-kotsaba/

Cheers

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Putin doesnt give in. He is no coward like our politicans. The imperialists started the war with something like 10.000 paid "demonstrants" in Kiev a year+ ago to give reason for a putsch against the elected president & government (against the will of 45 mio people), and now the whole country suffers because of this heinous crime. But this time the imperialists went to far. And Obama, the peace nobel prize winner, and keeper of the Peacemakers, knows it. His only chance is a full blown nuclear attack. Good luck Mr. peace president. SS-20 will kick your ass back to pre-middle-age. Basterd.

The pain is big in Ukraine. The morale is high, the hearts are towards their natural people (Russia). Morale always wins over paid mercenaries...

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Putin doesnt give in. He is no coward like our politicans. The imperialists started the war with something like 10.000 paid "demonstrants" in Kiev a year+ ago to give reason for a putsch against the elected president & government (against the will of 45 mio people), and now the whole country suffers because of this heinous crime. But this time the imperialists went to far. And Obama, the peace nobel prize winner, and keeper of the Peacemakers, knows it. His only chance is a full blown nuclear attack. Good luck Mr. peace president. SS-20 will kick your ass back to pre-middle-age. Basterd.

The pain is big in Ukraine. The morale is high, the hearts are towards their natural people (Russia). Morale always wins over paid mercenaries...

Righto, even if the Russian nuke arsenal wasn't decrepit, rusty and not likely to even work. SS-20 Saber(NATO), russian RT-21M Pioneer, developed over 30 years ago. Maximum range 3000 mikles..not gonna get to the US..WILL get to Germany..where do you live? If it worked, which it wouldn't. Too much Vodka.

To bad your boy Kruschev gave it away.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

if you wrote while being sober, you are certainly grossly misinformed...every source, even the western msm have acknowledged it.

using your own vocabulary, 'the drunken rebels' have been pushing around the regular gov't military enforced by the fanatical volunteers most of whom are said to be extreme right (or according to others local neo nazis).

we know who will blink first - those who could not win even against the 3d world military like in iraq and afghanistan...

just to add another doze of realism to your delusional views (yes, i think you're delusional sometimes).

vlad's 'drunken military' (and it was established a rather poorly equipped one by the later nato studies) had slapped around the american-trained and equipped georgian military in 2008 in something like 5-6 days.

all the american equipment and instructors and even the uniforms amounted to a humiliating defeat when the soldiers dont care or dont know how to fight. a whole georgian battalion withdrawn from iraq was destroyed.

C'mon, the 'drunken rebels' are 'rebels' but front line Russian troops with advanced equipment they say they 'stole' from Ukraine, but are models/types never exported anywhere. Wearing masks and taking a few patches off their uniforms doesn't make them 'Ukranian freedom fighters'.

Yup. The USArmy defeated Iraq in about 100 hours the first time and about 6 weeks the second. Put a couple of USArmy brigades in Ukraine or even Iraq and Syria, and those would be over in a few weeks also.

Then give the place to the 'locals' and watch it go to hell. Why the US even cares is beyond me. Ukraine is Europe's problem, ISIL is the middle east's.

Hamburgers in another package is still a hamburger.

 

[hrotha]

Seriously? A ****-measuring contest based on raw military power?

The rebels are either militias or Russian forces operating largely as militias, depending on who you ask. Very much not regular forces in any case. If Russia felt the need to intervene openly, you can be sure we'd see an escalation and things would look a wee bit different from a military point of view. Similarly, it wasn't military power or effectiveness what hampered the US in Iraq or Afghanistan.

These military fantasies revolving around scenarios of conventional warfare are pretty pointless if you ask me.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Righto, even if the Russian nuke arsenal wasn't decrepit, rusty and not likely to even work. SS-20 Saber(NATO), russian RT-21M Pioneer, developed over 30 years ago. Maximum range 3000 mikles..not gonna get to the US..WILL get to Germany..where do you live? If it worked, which it wouldn't. Too much Vodka.

To bad your boy Kruschev gave it away.

Only one needs to be working. Just a single one with its mulitiple re-entry vehicles... I tell you USA is scared to death. Thats why they would like to be the only nuclear weapons country. Thanks god it isnt so. Otherwise more countries would have been burned to ashes like all those they occupied with their wars for freedom & democracy.
BTW, you forgot the good ol submarines. No need for a Topol to travel x-times-kms. Just launch some at the east or west coast. I am sure at least one finds its target.

Conclussion: USA better stops its imperialistic ways. They got too greedy, even peacekeeper, peace & muslim lover Obama. OTOH, I wouldnt be surprised if he takes a try after his military people told him a nuclear war could be won. Dangerous nerds if you ask me. USA stands no chance. Zilch. Zero.

 

[blutto]

Yup. The USArmy defeated Iraq in about 100 hours the first time and about 6 weeks the second. Put a couple of USArmy brigades in Ukraine or even Iraq and Syria, and those would be over in a few weeks also.

Then give the place to the 'locals' and watch it go to hell. Why the US even cares is beyond me. Ukraine is Europe's problem, ISIL is the middle east's.

Hamburgers in another package is still a hamburger.

...yup yup the Russian armed forces are exactly like the Iraqi armed forces....

"Then give the place to the 'locals' and watch it go to hell. Why the US even cares is beyond me. Ukraine is Europe's problem, ISIL is the middle east's."

...that is so sweet....go in, produce a real gawd awful mess, and then run away when fixing the problem becomes complicated....what an typically exceptional response...

Cheers

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Only one needs to be working. Just a single one with its mulitiple re-entry vehicles... I tell you USA is scared to death. Thats why they would like to be the only nuclear weapons country. Thanks god it isnt so. Otherwise more countries would have been burned to ashes like all those they occupied with their wars for freedom & democracy.
BTW, you forgot the good ol submarines. No need for a Topol to travel x-times-kms. Just launch some at the east or west coast. I am sure at least one finds its target.

Conclussion: USA better stops its imperialistic ways. They got too greedy, even peacekeeper, peace & muslim lover Obama. OTOH, I wouldnt be surprised if he takes a try after his military people told him a nuclear war could be won. Dangerous nerds if you ask me. USA stands no chance. Zilch. Zero.

No we are not.

God doesn't care(another thread).

Like Germany and Japan?

Russian Nuke boomer boat fleet is as rusty and decrepit as their other 'forces'. You need to do a little research. NO Russian nuke boat that deploys is 'lost'. All are tracked and the boomers are followed by US/NATO fast attack boats...all the time.

The last staff that said a nuke war was 'winnable' was Nixon's.

Russia will be out of business before any real warfare. The first cold war was won with $, the second one will be too.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

...yup yup the Russian armed forces are exactly like the Iraqi armed forces....

"Then give the place to the 'locals' and watch it go to hell. Why the US even cares is beyond me. Ukraine is Europe's problem, ISIL is the middle east's."

...that is so sweet....go in, produce a real gawd awful mess, and then run away when fixing the problem becomes complicated....what an typically exceptional response...

Cheers

I agree, Dubya created ISIL. BUT if the US had the will, a couple of US Army brigades would dispose of ISIL in weeks. Yes, Bush should have NOT invaded Iraq the second time. Cheney and his boy Bush, created that mess. Iran and Iraq were perfect opposites, balance, and Dubya gooned it up, no doubt. PLUS if Bush hadn't become confused about Iraq, BinLaden would have been killed in the 1990s.

Russia created the problem in Ukraine when Kruschev gave a chunk of Russia away. I'd be like a POTUS giving Michigan to Canada.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

No we are not.

God doesn't care(another thread).

Like Germany and Japan?

Russian Nuke boomer boat fleet is as rusty and decrepit as their other 'forces'. You need to do a little research. NO Russian nuke boat that deploys is 'lost'. All are tracked and the boomers are followed by US/NATO fast attack boats...all the time.

The last staff that said a nuke war was 'winnable' was Nixon's.

Russia will be out of business before any real warfare. The first cold war was won with $, the second one will be too.

You dont know the russian soul. They are bitter fighters until the end.
And who cares if submarines are spotted? Once the toplos are in flight, you are defenseless. You can watch the arc, you can try to attack the rockets, but you are 100% sure not taking every single re-entry vehicle down. At least one hits the target... and then hell breaks lose*. All those dirty little wars by the US are just a fart in the wind in comparison...

This military arrogance of USA is very dangerous. If they believe what you say, they might really try their luck with a a nuclear attack vs Russia. Imperialists & their greedy owners cant get enough. Next to the blinded moslems, the most dangerous fanatics. No doubt about that.

* Especially if they hit a certain area in Wyoming...

 

[python]

This.

It's been an experience the US has still yet to learn in Iraq, many other places through the decades.

I'm still of the mainstream thinking that Vlad will do what he can to keep nationalism up in order to distract from his horrible economic performance, even if it means a full on attack in Ukraine. How will Russians and the rest of the world respond? I don't think he cares. Or at least it's low on his priority list.

putin is an authoritarian ruler whose ideology is a mix of the special brand nationalism (not the 'mother-russia' as it was for 1000 yeras but some 'new russian world') plus the christian orthodox religion . he's a real benevolent modern tsar genuinely popular with his people. all the political parties there, except the communists, are phony, yet putin's party has deep and real grass roots.

i say this b/c, imo there is a dangerous misunderstanding in the usa (less so in western and central europe) of what drives the formerly impoverished soviets to group around a new 'monarch'.

it is simple - he brought their every day lives in order, raised their living standard compared to the 80's and 90's anarchy.

in ANY liberal democracy people would grow dead tired from the 15 years of the same face. but russia isn't a democracy in our sense, never was and never will be. i have come to a personal conviction, it will not work there and they don't really need it. why ? b/c the very vastness of that land presumes a strong, central authority that is widely perceived as caring. the day that central authority weakens, the county will effectively disintegrate.

the crimean crisis, the eastern ukraine civil war are the result of the russian elites trying either to prevent such disintegration or to preempt it.

they genuanly believe that the nato moving east is an existential threat. that's my read. i dont think vlad is worried about his rating yet by needing the war for distraction. that's a western person's paradigm, though, yes, it may apply anywhere.

 

[blutto]

"The scary thing about American imbeciles is that they don?t have an inkling that they might be brainwashed. "

....rather incendiary and well over the top but it is a good attention grabber from an article that addresses a major problem with the Ukrainian crisis....that is, that the Merikan media is back to shovelling $h!t to back another stupid war...

http://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...oblem-dealing-with-imbeciles-and-vassals.html

....and...more along the same lines...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40961.htm

...and...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-10/ukrainians-rage-against-military-draft-were-sick-war

Cheers

 

[python]

You dont know the russian soul. They are bitter fighters until the end.

when i first read this, i thought of the several counter cases from my memory/lessons in the military history. based on that memory/record, i basically disagree with the notion of the russian fighter being a consistently fearsome warier 'until the end'...explaining:

their long military record shows, that they fought awesomely in the wars that originated as 'defensive wars' on their own land or in their own neighborhood. not so, at least not so consistently, when their soldiers were sent abroad to fight for some goals less noble than 'defending the homeland'.

and even on their own turf, the russians were losing to both the napoleon and the nazi invaders until their enemies got sucked in by the endless space and hostile climate. needless to recall, the hundreds of thousands of russian pow's etc in both ww1 and ww2...

also, they lost some wars due to their inferior economy/technology (the crimean war to the english and french) or due to inferior leadership (in 1905 to japan).

one thing that we can see consistently in the russian military history is that they are awesome fighter, perhaps superior to their european counterparts historically speaking, when lead and equipped well.

the zhukov, suvorov and their others outstanding generals battles have shown that the stoic nature of their soldiers, their ability to fight on after taking the absolutely horrendous losses (the losses that would stop ANY western general), and above all, their adaptability and learning - make a russian on his own turf a very,very tough adversary.

nato ignoring the objective record would certainly cause a major military confrontation in europe if they challenged the russian military in their own neighborhood.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

when i first read this ...

Many good points here. But russians fighting the good fight to defend themselves will not stop before they or their opponents drop. And since its more or less defending home ground against imperialistic intruders, the morale will be highest.

If the war extends, either some US cities will be nuked away as needful revenge (nuclear counter attack against the Peacekeepers and Minutemen), or (if no nuclear escalation happens) at least the intruding soldiers (or puppet mercenaries) of the imperialists will lose big time like the germans did in Stalingrad.

This wont be a walk over like in Iraq I ...