World Politics

[blutto]

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...and as long as I'm piling on....the following is most certainly worth a boo...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43418.htm

"32) Oh, also: why does the media coverage make these massacres West-versus-Islam when many of the victims in Paris would most likely include many Muslims and when ISIS in the Middle East kill more Muslims than non-Muslims, despite the fact that members of US Congress only see Jews and Christians as victims but not Muslims."

Cheers

No, it isn't most certainly worth anything.

When the supposed perpetrators of these acts say themselves that they are aimed against the West it's downright moronic to try to make it about the media coverage.

Seriously, read the ISIS statement, even if it's not on the list of things that you routinely google.

...so the story so far....by your words we have supposed perpetrators so one could reasonably assume that one is not absolutely sure who they are and why they did what they did...yet you can in your next sentence very emphatically tell me to read the ISIS statement about an act where the perps are by your own words supposed ( and they may well be not as commonly assumed because the smoking gun that was to connect this horror directly to Syria, the passports, are fakes sourced in Turkey....so in essence these monsters could be anyone working for some other anyone...and for all we know at this point the ISIS statement is a fake as well..)....

....and moronic to make it about media!@%?....listen Sparky terrorism is little more than a loud ad with an explosive message....so to not to see it as a media event in a sea of media events is so beyond moronic it lands you in a different galaxy....

Cheers

Eh, is this some sort of a Paris attack truther version?

But maybe in the opinion of the sites you frequent an attempted terrorist attack in a FRA-GER football game was also not an act against the West?

....yup that is exactly what it is you have found me out....

...got a question for you....what exactly do you mean when you say the West....because the West is a pretty big place and last I checked not so monolithic that it could be easily stereotyped....like for instance I'm sure someone such as yourself would never want to be lumped in with a common low life truther such as myself or gawd forbid, some Mooselim type, who btw also exist in the West....

Cheers

 

[the delgados]

@python
That is another question I had, but I don't want to stoke the conspiracy fires.
That said (and conspiracy aside), I'm genuinely curious why a guy would bring his passport along to punch his ticket into the afterlife.
I mean, I've never been there, but I my guess is it's not required. Unless, of course, security in the after world is as tight as it is here on earth.
Perhaps the passport belonged to a victim.

 

[blutto]

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@python
That is another question I had, but I don't want to stoke the conspiracy fires.
That said (and conspiracy aside), I'm genuinely curious why a guy would bring his passport along to punch his ticket into the afterlife.
I mean, I've never been there, but I my guess is it's not required. Unless, of course, security in the after world is as tight as it is here on earth.
Perhaps the passport belonged to a victim.

....dude, you are messin' with a good story....now stop that ! and walk away slowly, nothing to see here and certainly no questions to be asked....evil Mooselims attacked the West, end of story, full stop...

Cheers

 

[Spawn of e]

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@python
That is another question I had, but I don't want to stoke the conspiracy fires.
That said (and conspiracy aside), I'm genuinely curious why a guy would bring his passport along to punch his ticket into the afterlife.
I mean, I've never been there, but I my guess is it's not required. Unless, of course, security in the after world is as tight as it is here on earth.
Perhaps the passport belonged to a victim.

....dude, you are messin' with a good story....now stop that ! and walk away slowly, nothing to see here and certainly no questions to be asked....evil Mooselims attacked the West, end of story, full stop...

Cheers

So what are you saying? Fake moon landing? Grassy knoll? Bigfoot?

 

[blutto]

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@python
That is another question I had, but I don't want to stoke the conspiracy fires.
That said (and conspiracy aside), I'm genuinely curious why a guy would bring his passport along to punch his ticket into the afterlife.
I mean, I've never been there, but I my guess is it's not required. Unless, of course, security in the after world is as tight as it is here on earth.
Perhaps the passport belonged to a victim.

....dude, you are messin' with a good story....now stop that ! and walk away slowly, nothing to see here and certainly no questions to be asked....evil Mooselims attacked the West, end of story, full stop...

Cheers

So what are you saying? Fake moon landing? Grassy knoll? Bigfoot?

....all of the above....but that is the short story, the long story is that bigfoot was on the Grassy Knoll , and he was also a gaffer on the film crew that shot the fake moon landing scene....and that is all I am at liberty to say at this moment....furthermore I will neither confirm nor deny any other comments I made or may have made pertaining to this issue....

...thank you...

Cheers

 

[Spawn of e]

Re: Re:

@python
That is another question I had, but I don't want to stoke the conspiracy fires.
That said (and conspiracy aside), I'm genuinely curious why a guy would bring his passport along to punch his ticket into the afterlife.
I mean, I've never been there, but I my guess is it's not required. Unless, of course, security in the after world is as tight as it is here on earth.
Perhaps the passport belonged to a victim.

....dude, you are messin' with a good story....now stop that ! and walk away slowly, nothing to see here and certainly no questions to be asked....evil Mooselims attacked the West, end of story, full stop...

Cheers

So what are you saying? Fake moon landing? Grassy knoll? Bigfoot?

....all of the above....but that is the short story, the long story is that bigfoot was on the Grassy Knoll , and he was also a gaffer on the film crew that shot the fake moon landing scene....and that is all I am at liberty to say at this moment....furthermore I will neither confirm nor deny any other comments I made or may have made pertaining to this issue....

...thank you...

Cheers

So, is it facets of radical islam or bigfoot? This suspicious passport has tipped the scale on the reality of the situation, no? Or, can we cut through the BS and start talking reality?

 

[movingtarget]

You have to wonder about the future of the EU. As well as economic problems and immigration issues and countries closing borders, whatever communal spirit was there before seems shattered now. Merkel has overplayed her hand and for an experienced politician I think she has made a big problem even worse.

 

[Echoes]

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-france-defense-experts-see-parallels-to-israel/

In France, defense experts ‘see parallels to Israel’ French-born Israeli Jonathan-Simon Sellem says Jewish community was warned of impending mass terror attack

Just Friday morning, security officials in France’s Jewish community were informed of the very real possibility of an impending large terrorist attack in the country, according to Jonathan-Simon Sellem, a freelance journalist and a representative of French citizens in Israel.

The Jewish community, already on high alert ahead of several planned high-profile events Sunday, had been told that after several minor attacks in France this month, a large terrorist event was thought to be on the horizon.

Security experts in France, Sellem told The Times of Israel from Paris on Saturday morning, are now comparing the country’s situation with that of Israel.

On BFMTV, France’s largest mainstream news channel, defense analyst Dominique Rizet said what is happening in France today has been happening in Israel for the past 20 years — and it is just the beginning.

The Bataclan theater, site of Friday’s deadliest attack, was until recently Jewish-owned, said Sellem. As the site of annual fundraisers for the IDF, it is frequently targeted by anti-Israel protests, phone calls and emails, he said.

But, Sellem emphasized, the Jewish community in France “should not fall into paranoia.”

He called Friday night’s attacks “very crazy.”

“It’s like living in Israel,” said Sellem. He had intended to be at the soccer match at Stade de France on Friday night, but instead went to a movie, which was interrupted in the wake of the four-pronged attack and patrons told to go home.

Sellem said central Paris was a ghost town on Friday night — with no vehicles in the streets, nor people on the sidewalks.

But on Saturday morning, said Sellem, he felt a more normalized Paris — albeit with a bolstered security presence. The airline he is with flying on Saturday, he said as he prepared to take off from Charles de Gaulle airport, is trying to elevate its security measures with more questioning, a la Israel’s national carrier El Al.

“But they don’t know what to do. They’re really not ready for this,” he said.

I was the first on this thread to report this info that Bataclan was raising funds for the Israeli border police. My info came from JSS. The thing with these ultra-Zionists is that they don't even hide themselves.

Sibel Edmonds ‏@sibeledmonds
From Spiro: "French and German Intelligence Services Knew Paris Attack Was Coming a M..." https://youtu.be/Nn3a7Afi4z8 via @YouTube

 

[Echoes]

Anyone to wonder what REALLY happened at the Stade de France?

3 suiciders bombing themselves in isolated places AFTER the match had started. So when the entrance was deserted. They only killed one person (at the wrong place at the wrong time).

It's absurd. They could have done a carnage but they did not. The best moment for a massacre was the moment the arrival of the audience of the leaving but not after the match had started.

CONCLUSION?

There have never been any suicide attack at the Stade de France. Only three guys who were fed up with life and wished to commit suicide, period. It was unprecedented because it did not happen.

 

[blutto]

Re: Re:

@python
That is another question I had, but I don't want to stoke the conspiracy fires.
That said (and conspiracy aside), I'm genuinely curious why a guy would bring his passport along to punch his ticket into the afterlife.
I mean, I've never been there, but I my guess is it's not required. Unless, of course, security in the after world is as tight as it is here on earth.
Perhaps the passport belonged to a victim.

....dude, you are messin' with a good story....now stop that ! and walk away slowly, nothing to see here and certainly no questions to be asked....evil Mooselims attacked the West, end of story, full stop...

Cheers

So what are you saying? Fake moon landing? Grassy knoll? Bigfoot?

....all of the above....but that is the short story, the long story is that bigfoot was on the Grassy Knoll , and he was also a gaffer on the film crew that shot the fake moon landing scene....and that is all I am at liberty to say at this moment....furthermore I will neither confirm nor deny any other comments I made or may have made pertaining to this issue....

...thank you...

Cheers

So, is it facets of radical islam or bigfoot? This suspicious passport has tipped the scale on the reality of the situation, no? Or, can we cut through the BS and start talking reality?

....reality eh !?....well reality is a multifaceted, multilayered, and multidimensional thingee....and its especially complex when $h!t hits the fan so if you don't mind hanging around for a bit and ideas will get panned out of the dirt and be thrown out for yours perusal...

...the first thing I will offer is that whatever "The West" has been doing in "The War on Terror " has not really worked that well, in fact it could be easily dismissed as an abysmal failure ( excepting of course the ballooning bottom lines of the various major players in "The War on Terror" which are a screaming successes.. )....and this despite the erection of a very vast and intrusive spy system that reaches into a great many aspects of the lives of folks living in "The West". and which did not stop this latest "Terror" escalation....and why do our solutions continue to be more and more of the same pieces of the same set of failed policies...

....but before I go, got a question for you....why do a great many of the official like experts on terror speak with that nauseating power lisp ?...and where on earth did that vocal affectation come from ? ...and just for fun try doing it...I'm actually pretty good at mimicking voices but doing that lisp is hard sledding...like is surgery required or something ?....

Cheers

 

[Amsterhammer]

Some further info on the passport angle.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/paris-attacks-fake-passport-raises-questions-over-bombers-identities

 

[frenchfry]

Anyone to wonder what REALLY happened at the Stade de France?

3 suiciders bombing themselves in isolated places AFTER the match had started. So when the entrance was deserted. They only killed one person (at the wrong place at the wrong time).

It's absurd. They could have done a carnage but they did not. The best moment for a massacre was the moment the arrival of the audience of the leaving but not after the match had started.

CONCLUSION?

There have never been any suicide attack at the Stade de France. Only three guys who were fed up with life and wished to commit suicide, period. It was unprecedented because it did not happen.

Or it could be that they intended to blow up thousands of fans with them, but failed because they have about the same level of intelligence as you.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Anyone to wonder what REALLY happened at the Stade de France?

3 suiciders bombing themselves in isolated places AFTER the match had started. So when the entrance was deserted. They only killed one person (at the wrong place at the wrong time).

It's absurd. They could have done a carnage but they did not. The best moment for a massacre was the moment the arrival of the audience of the leaving but not after the match had started.

CONCLUSION?

There have never been any suicide attack at the Stade de France. Only three guys who were fed up with life and wished to commit suicide, period. It was unprecedented because it did not happen.

Or it could be that they intended to blow up thousands of fans with them, but failed because they have about the same level of intelligence as you.

Give the guy a break man. You know 3 people all decide to kill themselves at the same time in the same way that is very logical. Normal stuff. I'm sure their French family is still waiting for them to return home from the game and are trying to find them.

Oh wait they might not be French. My bad.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Anyone to wonder what REALLY happened at the Stade de France?

3 suiciders bombing themselves in isolated places AFTER the match had started. So when the entrance was deserted. They only killed one person (at the wrong place at the wrong time).

It's absurd. They could have done a carnage but they did not. The best moment for a massacre was the moment the arrival of the audience of the leaving but not after the match had started.

CONCLUSION?

There have never been any suicide attack at the Stade de France. Only three guys who were fed up with life and wished to commit suicide, period. It was unprecedented because it did not happen.

Or it could be that they intended to blow up thousands of fans with them, but failed because they have about the same level of intelligence as you.

Give the guy a break man. You know 3 people all decide to kill themselves at the same time in the same way that is very logical. Normal stuff. I'm sure their French family is still waiting for them to return home from the game and are trying to find them.

Oh wait they might not be French. My bad.

Don't feed the right wing frenzy, Glenn. The four that have been identified so far are native born French citizens. See my post above on the passport issue. 'Finding' a Syrian passport doesn't mean squat.

As for the stadium suicide bombers, what I have heard is that the first one blew himself up after he was stopped from entering by a Muslim security guard. I have heard nothing about the other two - maybe they triggered theirs when they heard the first blast? As I recall from the audio from inside the stadium, the three blasts went off pretty much one after another. All speculation still.

 

[blackcat]

now, can Huntington's "Clash" tome be retrospectively, or, in antecedence, validated? cos it was an execrable piece of pseudo intellectual rabble rousing to enable, or underwrite, neo-con designs on their FoPo adventurism.

I wonder if anyone bought stock in futures of CoC, they would be making a mint now shur'ly[sic]

 

[blackcat]

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Some further info on the passport angle.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/paris-attacks-fake-passport-raises-questions-over-bombers-identities

anyone raising "passport" needs to remember London and Manhattan. They both "found" passports.

whenever a "passport" is now found, I believe they have moved into the bullsh!t stage of messaging and massaging the message to public peons n alliterationz

a mate said, that actually, it could be reverse, ISIS could have planted this legit passport to further muddy the grey-zone and pique an ambiguity for the intelligence...

 

[blackcat]

@the delagagos is right, the passports have been way tooooooo convenient in London and Manhattan. The MI6 and CIA/FBI love to spruik this evidence bullsh!t. They have defused the very concept of evidence, I wont be believing official sources for the rest of eternity

 

[King Boonen]

Anyone to wonder what REALLY happened at the Stade de France?

3 suiciders bombing themselves in isolated places AFTER the match had started. So when the entrance was deserted. They only killed one person (at the wrong place at the wrong time).

It's absurd. They could have done a carnage but they did not. The best moment for a massacre was the moment the arrival of the audience of the leaving but not after the match had started.

CONCLUSION?

There have never been any suicide attack at the Stade de France. Only three guys who were fed up with life and wished to commit suicide, period. It was unprecedented because it did not happen.

This is insane. It is patently obvious to anyone who engages their brain for more than 5 seconds why they would A) turn up late to both avoid standing around in queues with people and hope to miss the usual security checks and B) wait until a TELEVISED game of football starts before blowing themselves up INSIDE the stadium.

 

[blackcat]

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That's a weak and desperate attempt to run away from a discussion you are scared of.

You said

Terrorism is really just the means for the small and powerless to strike back/gain a measure of revenge against the big and powerful, has little to do with religion

Which I'd a bunch of terrorist apologist nonesense as any brief examination into the history of terror and violence or into the minds of these unstable sociopaths, will show.

er, how exactly is pointing out the historical context being "justifying" or "apologist"? That's absurd. I don't actually recall justifying or rationalizing anything at all, what I do see is you reading into things what you apparently want to read into them. So even though I've already said it I guess I have to repeat it, so let me make it as clear as possible this time: imo all religious people are psychopaths to varying degrees and the world would be a much, much better place without any religion, be it Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, and - get ready for it - Islam too. Want to get into the various atrocities that all religions are getting up to the world over right now, at this moment? If anyone's being an apologist here it's you, by singling one out and ignoring the atrocities committed by the others. Hindus throw acid in little girls faces quite regularly, dude, and Christians and Jews engage in terrorism quite routinely.

Yes, dude, extremist groups like ISIS resort to terrorism because that's the only means they have for striking a country on its own soil, the mentality and primary motivation being revenge - you kill a bunch of innocent civilians in our countries, we're going to kill a bunch of innocent civilians in your countries, cept unlike you we don't have bombers and tanks and drones and battleships and jets and armies so we're going to hijack some planes with boxcutters and have 8 guys shoot up bars and restaurants instead. (And no, even your Pablo Escobar never came anywhere close to matching the firepower of the government of Colombia, that's why he had to resort to bribery and terrorism, and yes, he was, in fact, relative to his enemy, small and far, far less powerful, as the ending to that story attests.)

How exactly do you intend to get into the minds of these unstable sociopaths by ignoring history and historical context, dude? Were the gunmen yelling things about Iraq and Syria just to make casual conversation? And if it was just about hitting any old open and free country, why not just do it in Brussels? Belgium is an open and free country too, so what would it matter, if that was the only criteria? They seemed to be based there anyway, so why go to all the trouble and risks of border crossings etc when they could've just shot up Brussels instead? Be a hell of a lot easier. In this instance France was chosen (and Belgium or Croatia or Finland were not) by ISIS for specific reasons, one of which is their historical connection with Syria. Ignoring that is as dumb as claiming that pointing out that there's a larger historical context is being "apologist".

http://www.amazon.com/Blowback-Consequences-American-Empire-Project/dp/0805075593

gees i hope Scott Horton starts interviewing Pepe again, he has not had him in the last 9 months

edit: I thought VeloCity mentioned Pepe Escobar, but it was Pablo Escobar... need my glasses

 

[Amsterhammer]

Following on from Obama and Putin's face to face talks in Turkey, there may be a serious possibility of joint, coordinated, US-Russian air strikes within a week or so.

Hollande to meet with Obama and Putin to discuss joint, concerted anti-Daesh action.

The US finally destroyed one of the oil convoys that have been earning them millions every day.

 

[blackcat]

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Following on from Obama and Putin's face to face talks in Turkey, there may be a serious possibility of joint, coordinated, US-Russian air strikes within a week or so.

Hollande to meet with Obama and Putin to discuss joint, concerted anti-Daesh action.

The US finally destroyed one of the oil convoys that have been earning them millions every day.

reactive

domestic political gambit

I dont know what their policy is, but I am being reactive to their reactive policy gambit, and I think they are doing action to shore/sure up their domestic political constituency, with/without looming elections

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Don't feed the right wing frenzy, Glenn. The four that have been identified so far are native born French citizens. See my post above on the passport issue. 'Finding' a Syrian passport doesn't mean squat.

As for the stadium suicide bombers, what I have heard is that the first one blew himself up after he was stopped from entering by a Muslim security guard. I have heard nothing about the other two - maybe they triggered theirs when they heard the first blast? As I recall from the audio from inside the stadium, the three blasts went off pretty much one after another. All speculation still.

Ok then............

I could care less about the passport. What this is and is not seems to be clear but if you guys want to believe this was some regular French Citizens then flame away.

Or maybe they were some Radical Methodist who felt betrayed by the poor treatment and lack of jobs?

 

[blackcat]

Andrew Bacevich is one of few American domestic commentators I can put my worth in

Amy Goodman always asks him about his WestPoint son who died in Iraq (coulda been Afghanistan...) and he always politely denies, he has been in the International Strategy dep't at Boston U, they should get him at Johns Hopkins in Washington, he is 'da bomb[sic]
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/11/2/andrew_bacevich_ongoing_wars_in_iraq

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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Following on from Obama and Putin's face to face talks in Turkey, there may be a serious possibility of joint, coordinated, US-Russian air strikes within a week or so.

Hollande to meet with Obama and Putin to discuss joint, concerted anti-Daesh action.

The US finally destroyed one of the oil convoys that have been earning them millions every day.

I doubt that happened. Probably just a planted story by the media and President Obama along with the CIA, DEA, DHS, IRS, TAC, JOC, TAD, MI6, SAS, SEAL, MARSOC, JASOC, ISIS, AJZ. Just to name a few.

 

[blackcat]

Ok then............

I could care less about the passport. What this is and is not seems to be clear but if you guys want to believe this was some regular French Citizens then flame away.

Or maybe they were some Radical Methodist who felt betrayed by the poor treatment and lack of jobs?

Glenn, we are peons, we cannot know, we can have an intuition, but it is all white noise. Yeah, those Chechens or whatever from caucuses did the Boston Marathon, but ultimately, we dont get told what the deep security bureau(s) know. They only give the expedient political messaging. It does not really matter who it was, we can have a reasonable degree of certainty it was muslim extremists, who may or may not have coordinated an action with the blessing back in the levant, or they are just rogue actors, and those idiots back in the levant will still take credit for the mass murder.

ultimately, its pretty much white noise.

this is how I put it into my algorithm on d'affaire Lance Armstrong. I had enough back channel mail and inside sources from Betsy, Race Radio and others, I never had to read the Oconnel/Albergotti tome, nor other tails of Armstrong, they would have been white noise. I had a more accurate picture taking an overarching perspective, and forgetting the individual details.

This is what the foremost actor of his generation, Michael Sheen said about acting, if you are actually acting, all game's off. You need to forget it. And he has reigned supreme on the boards of London for two decades and is renowned as being the best actor of the lot. You may have seen him in Nixon Frost and Masters of Sex