World Politics

[djpbaltimore]

If indignant, flaming posts are so easy to find, maybe you would be so kind as to post them yourself?

You are getting dangerously close to breaking forum rules with your incessant and puerile name calling. I don't report posts in the politics threads, but some mods are known to read through these threads occasionally. Tread (slither?) lightly....

I have always had balance on this issue. I challenge you to post anything to the contrary. I care about every human life. Your consistent and vindictive campaign to make it seem like I don't is terribly poor form on your part. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that everybody on this board (even the posters that I disagree with) would appreciate if civilians were not so frequently the targets of military materiel.

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Obviously the US has done reprehensible things even in the very recent past. But that doesn't give Russia license to do some very reprehensible things in Syria right now like bombing the UN convoy.

There is your one post. What do I win?

 

[python]

lets take it one at the time, fake.

since it was you posting the flaming concern for the Aleppo victims, and since it was you insulting the people who pointed to the general misfortune of any war in an urban area, yes, you called them the russian stooges for that, it is thus upon you to provide the evidence of your 'balanced' approach.

it has famously become my signature, b/c your 'evidence' was based on an 'honorable sec of state would not lie'.
when i made your hypocrisy very visible to everyone, you went on whining in the mod threads, in the pms etc, but the nonsense you let out yet refused to own stayed, and it will stay unless you apologize for calling those disagreeing with your selective approach to civilian victims the foreign power stooges.

who ever doubted that the majority of the posters here would strongly condemn the civilian murder ? why are you bringing the obvious ? or you now need to erect another wall for something that was your fake concern but never was doubted by others ?

i suggest you own up the insincere, late (to me fake) maneuvers you attempt now. certainly, the civilians desrve to be cared for. expet there is too much proof your voice is the loudest when it's some one not in your political domain.

 

[djpbaltimore]

If bombing hospitals is a general misfortune of war, I am vindicated in my loathing of the whole process.

The balance is within the quote itself, which you have mangled to suit your bias. This is what I said.... 'The difference between me and the two of you Russia stooges is that I can admit that the US actions in Syria have been terrible.' You can see the cherry picking. So, someone can call me fake repeatedly and question my basic academic credentials, but wants an apology for that. Now who is whining? It must sound crazy that I actually want what I wrote next to my name instead of what a vindictive bully wants to attribute to me. The irony is that Python mangles a quote that is in his own signature. That is amateur hour stuff. Step up your game, Python. I am growing bored by the lack of a challenge.

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It seems people are actively trying to not own up to the Russian side of the equation, which is hypocrisy in my book. I seem to remember one particularly ill-informed member posting a story about US drones in the area of the UN convoy before it got torched. Gee who was that?????

 

[python]

if you are growing bored, stay tuned, fake. there is to much material generated by no one by you to keep you nailed to the virulent, hateful, zealot you are...

let's start with the 'honorable secretary of state who would not lie'.

if the logic now admitted by you for everyone to see was 'balanced', you'd easily realize that the us was bombing the crap out of several countries as you were typing the idiotic statement. you'd realize, more, you would revolt - that the civilians were being slaughtered by the american bombs in October, in November, in january - all along. yet, you chose to insult the posters who called your selective focus on the russians ONLY. again, show us where you were concerned for the victims of the american bombs. you posted incessantly about the aleppo, aleppo only. while the war was all over. you went so far as to credit a know liar with the evidence agaist the party you hate and totally ignored that the same secretary was hiding the info about the american crimes.

own up, fake, these were all your own words and insults yet now you were 'balanced' all along ?

and if we start with you low attacking blutto's scientific credentials b/c he was vocal, b/c he was 'the stooge'
you are facing more exposure of your arrogant, self-loathing positions.

i never got invoked until you lowly degraded blutto's academia whose only fault was to disagree with your take. since then several posters publicly called your credentials. try to do better. or fake better. or give people you insult an elementary right to respond...

i will continue exposing your fakeness ...

 

[djpbaltimore]

The only person that you are exposing with your vindictiveness and name calling is yourself.

No one else has challenged my credentials. Just you. The fact that you cant name a single poster proves this point. Using your words, you should own it.

Here is a thought. Not everything that I think gets posted on a cycling forum. Any time I have been asked about US policy, I have replied. The bombs by the US that killed civilians before Aleppo are just as bad as the russian ones. Now if you can only admit that the russians blew up that UN convoy.

 

[python]

stop being a liar. stop whining about someone asking you to own up after insulting them.

you know perfectly who the posters are who publicly doubted your credentials. you know perfectly their handles. you know perfectly this thread isn't fit for red herring. and i wont go there unless the posters chose to go there.

you know perfectly had you not viciously attacked another forum member re. his sci credentials - again i challenge you to prove you were not the 1st doing the lowly deed - no one would respond to your vicious attack on a fellow poster's academia.

since it was you, yes with the arrogant lowly twist 'a scientist couldn't' who tried to deliberately insult and humiliate blutto, that got my attention. you should know, there is a chance you could be dealing with the consequences of a public attack on a fellow poster. yep, it's public.

think before or deal with the response. whining, complaining, chest thumping wont stop the response to you trying to humiliate so lowly another academic...

 

[BullsFan22]

All the killings and all the suffering and all the refugees and everything else going on....all because of a damn pipeline.

 

[djpbaltimore]

So, you can't name another poster and you can't call out Russia. HYPOCRITE.

PS. Blutto is a big boy. And I never questioned his credentials, just his temperament.

 

[python]

it is your grand hypocrisy that i exposed by a simple reference to a reliable source. one more poster recently saw thrugh you. he called you not very smart for hanging out nonsensical labels. insulting people you don't know as stooges b/c they brought your attention to the simple fact that not only aleppo civilians were suffering is the same inability to reason beyond a hate-driven, simpleton babble.

several people started to call themselves russian stooges to laugh out your stoopid labels. do i also need to name them ?

i can and will call out anyone and anything particularly when a fake humanitarian concern was so obvious. but i am going to do it when i find fit. and under my own timing.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re:

The US-led coalition is killing more civilians than Russia in its campaign in Syria for the first time since Moscw entered the country's civil war in 2015, according to data from a war monitor.

The Airwars website reported coalition attacks killed an estimated 254 non-combatants in January,

the simple questions are: why is the us slaughtering the innocent civilians at all ? why is the concern for those women and children slaughtered by the american 'precision waepons' is any different from those we heard about in aleppo ? or was the moral high ground claimed then for the civilian loss a typical fake concern serving a particular spin ? should we give the us military some time to kill more civilians or should we work for the political solution instead of scoring the cheap shots ?

Really a mess with issues on both sides BUT no air dropped precision weapons by the US, INTENTIONALLY targeting civilians..as the Russian airforce and Syrian barrel bombers, did, in aleppo.

 

[djpbaltimore]

If you can't support your claim python, then you should withdraw your assertion. Isn't that how science works? You only continue to embarrass yourself with these petty accusations and insults.

And you still refuse to have a balanced opinion on Russia. Sounds like stooge behavior to me. Ymmv...

January 2016: Russia killing civilians by the bushel. Nary a peep of condemnation from Python
October 2016: Russia shoots down a UN convoy bringing humanitarian relief. Nary a peep of condemnation from Python. Instead posting an article about a US drone being involved.
February 2017: US kills more civilians in Syria than Russia. Python posts an article about it.

If it walks like a stooge and quacks like a stooge.....

stop being a liar. stop whining about someone asking you to own up after insulting them.

you know perfectly had you not viciously attacked another forum member re. his sci credentials - again i challenge you to prove you were not the 1st doing the lowly deed - no one would respond to your vicious attack on a fellow poster's academia.

OK, here is the proof that what you wrote is pure fiction....

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9/26/16 Python: you have nailed down you deduction powers by false/fake logic based on such simpleton's utterances like 'secretary kerry is a honorable man who would not lie' a naive person can be understood talking crap like that. an ignorant zealot mascaraing as a scientist though is not.

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10/9/16 Python: 'until then, your care for the aleppo victims is a fake pretense. just like your claims of being a scientist.'

Here is my alleged attack on blutto's credentials.

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10/23/16 I wrote: 'As always, your replies are vindictive and lacking any intellectual merit. But it is like the sun coming up in the east. Something I have gotten used to on a daily basis. I am shocked that you have been awarded a PhD. I don't think I have seen a more close-minded and negative person with a doctorate in my career in academia.'

Correct me if I am wrong..... but doesn't October 23rd come after October 9th and September 26? You should take your own bolded advice.

 

[djpbaltimore]

So, this is the candidate that the Kremlin is reportedly backing? For people in the USA, it sounds like deja vu.

Marine Le Pen, the anti-immigration candidate in France’s election, unleashed a social-media campaign attacking minority communities after successive nights of violence in the ghettos around Paris.

Some satellite towns around the capital have seen violent protests almost every night since Feb. 5 when four policemen were charged with attacking a young black man in Aulnay-sous-Bois, close to where riots erupted 12 years ago. Police have made multiple arrests, including last night, Agence France-Presse reported.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/le-pen-calls-rioters-scum-144221043.html;_ylt=AwrBT9d0a6RYBHEAEqBXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyaTF1bG4yBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQTAyNzFfMQRzZWMDc2M-

 

[aphronesis]

Le Pen is not new. Maybe if people in the US were paying attention to the world, more things here would have felt like a repetition to them sooner and blinkered Democrats would do more than point fingers and rant about "sociopaths".

 

[Irondan]

Just to set the record straight, I warned two of you (you know who you are) on this page about name calling. But I want you to know that I could also consider many of these posts trolling, baiting and flaming. Which could result in a ban for an unspecified amount of time.

Please take a deep breath and think before you post, on any thread because we will not put up with this behavior at all.

Cheers

 

[djpbaltimore]

Le Pen may not be new, but the news that she is reportedly backed by the Kremlin in the form of cyberattacks is.

I'm glad that nobody on the far left in the USA (cough* green party *cough) accused any candidate (cough* Clinton *cough) of being a sociopath.

 

[Echoes]

At least Marine just recently voted against CETA at the Euro Parliament. Where are the anti-globalists?

Putin is making a huge strategic mistake though, if it's true he's backing her. Marine Le Pen never consistently said she were in favour of a Frexit and even less a Frexit from NATO, besides she's a secularitard through and through, a maniac about that (several party members have left it after she took its leadership from her father). He should rather back François Asselineau (who had already been invited several times on Russia TV and was officially invited two years ago in Crimea for the 70th anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany). He unconditionally advocated for a Frexit from the EU, from the Eurozone and from NATO and has been doing so since 2007, invoking art.50 of the TFEU and art.13 of the North Atlantic Treaty.

 

[aphronesis]

@dj I think it's standard practice these days for those lower on the power chain to levy the "sociopath" tag at any higher up who appear a bit too nakedly interested in power for its own sake. Mostly on all points ofthe left. (Which might say things both about the left and the fact that "sociopathy" was rendered dormant as an abnormal, inflexible "criminal" category for too long.)

Not sure how your point contradicts mine. I've never upheld Green campaign rhetoric. My issue is with a passive populace.

But I'm sure "fear" of the Russians is the best way forward.

 

[djpbaltimore]

The passive populace barely follows local news. Asking them to care about world developments is expecting too much IMO.

 

[aphronesis]

One might think these are the sorts of things that need to change.

Along with TED talk "philosophers" resenting any moment they have to tear themselves from their humanist easy chair bedtime stories and focus on politics.

 

[djpbaltimore]

The US has a reason to fear the Russians and vice versa. So far, I don't think that anything that I have posted about the Russians has been factually incorrect. I would say it is more dangerous to whitewash the acts of the Russians because they are considered 'the lesser evil'.

 

[aphronesis]

Whitewash, no. I think the bigger mistake is to think that one is on the "right" side, rather than by accident of birth, historical events, etc. on "a side."

While that's not likely to change, one wonders how things might be different to be honest about being on "a side."

I said nothing about inaccuracy.

 

[djpbaltimore]

I take neither side because I think neither is in 'the right'. I could criticize the recent Yemen debacle more vociferously, but then I would likely get accused of domestic political partisanship because my dislike of Trump and his entire party is obvious. <shrugs> I didn't like the drone policy of Obama. Could I have been more vocal about that? Yes and I do own that shortcoming.

Fear as a result of knowing facts is rational. Fear due to propaganda and disinformation is dangerous. That is why I brought up inaccuracy.

 

[rhubroma]

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Whitewash, no. I think the bigger mistake is to think that one is on the "right" side, rather than by accident of birth, historical events, etc. on "a side."

While that's not likely to change, one wonders how things might be different to be honest about being on "a side."

I said nothing about inaccuracy.

Unless against the dominant growth and development hegemon, taking sides in the post-ideological era has become so passé.

 

[aphronesis]

"Side" meant jingoism in this case with forceful hostilities as one of implied first options rather than an unwanted resort. If only in the public mind and ghosted in the US thread. I wasn't really invoking the migration of postmodern relativism and differential outcomes to that of geopolitics. (Even if it's happening.)

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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So, you can't name another poster and you can't call out Russia. HYPOCRITE.

PS. Blutto is a big boy. And I never questioned his credentials, just his temperament.

take a good look around DUDE BRAH. NO ONE IS LEFT to have a discussion with.