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rhubroma said:
What General is making decisions for me?? Barry is making plenty of decisions for me and the Generals.
We collect ****loads of highway taxes. We just don't spend the money on highways. Kinda like a lot of things the govt does.
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"So what about socialized housing? A bridge too far for you?
You seem pretty comfortable having a plethora of bureaucrats making decisions for you... what else should be socialized, in your opinion?"
I'm curious (for all the times that you invoke this possibility) which and what percentage of decisions you make on a daily basis that weren't conditioned and informed by the activities and mandate of bureaucrats at one point or another? is it simply the fact that you have choices between differently regulated options that makes your version of american (and quite specifically californian) society so palatable?
You seem pretty comfortable having a plethora of bureaucrats making decisions for you... what else should be socialized, in your opinion?"
I'm curious (for all the times that you invoke this possibility) which and what percentage of decisions you make on a daily basis that weren't conditioned and informed by the activities and mandate of bureaucrats at one point or another? is it simply the fact that you have choices between differently regulated options that makes your version of american (and quite specifically californian) society so palatable?
aphronesis said:
Well actually I'm hoping for the demands of Occupy Wall Street to be met, particularly if they get all debt forgiven and $50/hour living wage regardless of employment. That way virtually all of my decisions on a daily basis will in fact have already been made by one bureaucratic mandate or another.
Looking forward.
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Scott SoCal said:
...Earth to Scott SoCal....Earth to Scott SoCal....you live in a modern industrialized society and bureaucracies are used to run them ...so whether its a governmental bureaucrat or a corporate bureaucrat its still a bureaucrat...some are good and some are bad and some are absolutely evil...
...so if your problem is bureaucrats as a broad job description than your beef is with modern life and not socialism or whatever you are railing on about...
Cheers
blutto
blutto said:
Thanks for demonstrating your grasp of the obvious. Not sure I coulda made to happy hour without your input.
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Scott SoCal said:
....well, someone had to demonstrate it because you showed an inability to grasp it...it actually was quite charming in its naivete...
...and please you don't have to be so defensive...I think you probably mean well its just the tools you are working with and world view they engender is so wrong headed that are you working with an almost insurmountable intellectual deficit...as a result you do seem to need someone to point out the obvious to you....
...so just relax and be thankful that someone is willing to lend a helping hand to lead you out of the mental quagmire you are presently in...
Cheers
blutto
blutto said:
How charming. Another know-it-all.
You guys are so utterly predictable and boring. However I'm mildly upset that you didn't go full Alinsky... but alas you were disciplined and just threw up with "almost insurmountable intellectual deficit". I was so hoping you'd call me a bigot... racist.
Maybe you'll make a better effort next time... but effort probably isn't your strong suit.
Oh well.
Scott SoCal said:Geez, finally some solutions.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/
Question: Why not $50/hr? If $20 is good, the $50 would be better.
Agreed. Full govt control. It's the only way.
Agreed. Finally, I can abandon my business. Especially at $50/hr.
See, this one I don't get. What would be the point of higher education? But if it's free, it's me. I'm in favor.
This is already under way so I see no point in being redundant.
Disagree. 2 Trillion would be better. 3 Trillion would be best.
Ima little confusedIf we are to get rid of fossil energy generation then we may need nuclear. So, I dunno about this one.
Agreed. I think most of these demands should be rooted in constitutional amendments.
Open borders, open society. Makes sense except all those border patrol agents will lose their jobs. I'm conflicted on this.
Agreed. We should be more like Europe.
Agreed. But let me go out and charge my cards to the hilt first. The great part about this will be once this is done nobody will ever be in debt again because there will never be another loan made. THIS IS BRILLIANT!!
This is obvious if Demand 11 is met. There will be no need.
Agreed. In fact union membership should be mandatory for all workers, public and private.
Yes... without a doubt.
Unions endorse, will join Occupy Wall Street protests
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/05/politics/occupy-wall-street/
Anyone shocked? Me neither.
That was Sept 25th and was not adopted.
Past that, it is no more ****ing insane than the Tea Party Patriots desire to abolish the Federal government.
Thoughtforfood said:
Yin to the yang I suppose. Besides, September 25th is soooo last month.
But you gotta admit... some of those demands not only contradict one another.. but are pretty far out there.
Ima gonna refer to the demands as "Redtreviso's Manifesto".
Scott SoCal said:
Yea, some are...not that well thought out. However, the most recent list included a demand that Citizens United be overturned. Now, as a law student, I know that is impossible without a coordinated effort to push through a suit challenging corporate personhood on different grounds, but I am certain one is underway, and if I have the opportunity and time, I would love to work on such a case. It is single worst decision of the last 100 years. It is so destructive to our rights as individual citizens that it is mind boggling.
Scott SoCal said:
and they should be completely reasonable as opposed to fruitcakes(your kind) who believe the world is 6000 years old??
and speaking of your voting history....
""In 2008, John McCain's campaign team discussed whether they should let Sarah Palin be sworn in as vice-president if they were to win the election, according to campaign staffer Nicolle Wallace. "There certainly were discussions -- not for long because of the arc the campaign took -- but certainly there were discussions about whether, if they were to win, it would be appropriate for her to be sworn in," Wallace tells Time's Claire Suddath. In her new novel, It's Classified, Wallace has a character -- a mentally ill female vice-president -- which she says is based on her experience working with Palin.""
redtreviso said:
OMG. And Biden's not mentally ill?
Gawd I wish Palin had declared today. It would have been so much ****ing fun.
""they probably don't even masterbate to the constitution"
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-how-are-the-occupy-wall-street-protesters-not-like-the-tea-party/
meanwhile
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-how-are-the-occupy-wall-street-protesters-not-like-the-tea-party/
meanwhile
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Corporate America is sitting on over 2 trillion dollars that they are not investing, but they are just sitting on the pile.
Meanwhile the country borrows against its deficit to pay for its multi-front wars and the people's taxes are spent on bailing out the banks of Wall Street for their greed and excesses.
Industry has befouled US waters, the countryside has been ruined by them and so too have its chemical plants and oil companies laid waste to other places throughout the globe. The agricultural, farming and food production machine produces such a vast quantity of insipid junk to stock the supermarkets that it doesn't even bear thinking about.
The private health care system is the most costly in the world and it doesn't even cover the population. The public schools? The schools have become places not to be educated, where young people don't go to learn, but to be debased.
The corporate and industrial complex literally owns the government, which is why it is run so appallingly and why no chance of reform that makes it more efficient is possible.
The government collects taxes to cover debt, the world's largest at 14.5 billion, that has been accumulated by private business and the military (a full 2/3 of it), while the people survive on various loans, from credit cards, to mortgages, to those for cars and universities that have been offered them by the banks. Then there's insurance of various forms that all but the wealthiest can readily afford. The banks own both the country and its people.
Add this to the fact that the country sells massive quantities of treasury bonds to places like China to buoy itself from sinking in its debt, while betting on a future economic output that's becoming increasingly untenable. In the end the most "revolutionary" political thinking that's been generated of late has been a mantra of "God, guns and the flag!"
So I still haven't had my questions answered yet: where do we go without the public contribution? Or do the corporations tend to society's needs?
Meanwhile the country borrows against its deficit to pay for its multi-front wars and the people's taxes are spent on bailing out the banks of Wall Street for their greed and excesses.
Industry has befouled US waters, the countryside has been ruined by them and so too have its chemical plants and oil companies laid waste to other places throughout the globe. The agricultural, farming and food production machine produces such a vast quantity of insipid junk to stock the supermarkets that it doesn't even bear thinking about.
The private health care system is the most costly in the world and it doesn't even cover the population. The public schools? The schools have become places not to be educated, where young people don't go to learn, but to be debased.
The corporate and industrial complex literally owns the government, which is why it is run so appallingly and why no chance of reform that makes it more efficient is possible.
The government collects taxes to cover debt, the world's largest at 14.5 billion, that has been accumulated by private business and the military (a full 2/3 of it), while the people survive on various loans, from credit cards, to mortgages, to those for cars and universities that have been offered them by the banks. Then there's insurance of various forms that all but the wealthiest can readily afford. The banks own both the country and its people.
Add this to the fact that the country sells massive quantities of treasury bonds to places like China to buoy itself from sinking in its debt, while betting on a future economic output that's becoming increasingly untenable. In the end the most "revolutionary" political thinking that's been generated of late has been a mantra of "God, guns and the flag!"
So I still haven't had my questions answered yet: where do we go without the public contribution? Or do the corporations tend to society's needs?
One question-
Who is this Erin Burnett woman? Why does her political show have a political agenda, instead of just being political? I know that when protesters say 'Our Tahrir square', it is taking it too far (protests here were using the same line) but to dismiss the protesters as dancing zombies is a bit far isn't it?
I remember a columnist (for most newspapers in India) commenting that journalists are glorified stenographers (when it came to light that a few journalists were working with an HR person for 2 Multi national companies in getting particular MPs in particular portfolios), they would do well to remember that.
Who is this Erin Burnett woman? Why does her political show have a political agenda, instead of just being political? I know that when protesters say 'Our Tahrir square', it is taking it too far (protests here were using the same line) but to dismiss the protesters as dancing zombies is a bit far isn't it?
I remember a columnist (for most newspapers in India) commenting that journalists are glorified stenographers (when it came to light that a few journalists were working with an HR person for 2 Multi national companies in getting particular MPs in particular portfolios), they would do well to remember that.
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