Would you like to see a return of the 100 K TTT at Worlds and the Olympics?

[houtdffan]

Cool yea, the 2009 Tour was an awesome race, thank God they brought back the TTT.

The Schlecks could have learned how to ride a TT bike

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

I don't like my own opinion very much here: TTTs are interesting for the unpredictability they add to a race, it's great that teams have to develop and bring riders who are good at TTTs, but I absolutely detest when TTTs decide the podium in a stage race.

ETA: Oh, and to reply to the question, not particularly.

 

[kingjr]

I'd watch it, for sure. Sounds preferable to any other type of TTT.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

The Schlecks could have learned how to ride a TT bike

It's more that if Leipheimer hadn't fallen off, the entire top 10 of the race would have come from the top 4 TTT times, as it was it was the top 9 and Le Mevel was only there because he got in the break on stage 14 that got given about six minutes.

 

[iBanesto]

Bring back the Grand Prix des Nations, when men used to be men.

 

[Breh]

yep. As much as I LOVE the very long ITT (a proper ITT is 60-70km in length), a very long TTT is around 80km is also an integral part of a GT. Want to bring a team full of mountain goats? Fine! You can lose 6 minutes in the TTT

Except for the fact that the strongest teams can field the strongest climbers and TT'ers at the same time.
It just widens the gap between the top teams and the rest even more. As if there isn't already enough peloton à deux vitesses.

Not to mention there's a lot of luck involved aswell.
Orica/Jayco have always performed excellent in TTT's. But in 2015 they had to race the TTT with only 6 riders while other teams still had the entire team of 9 riders present. They came in dead last at 5minutes.

 

[houtdffan]

Except for the fact that the strongest teams can field the strongest climbers and TT'ers at the same time.
It just widens the gap between the top teams and the rest even more. As if there isn't already enough peloton à deux vitesses.

Not to mention there's a lot of luck involved aswell.
Orica/Jayco have always performed excellent in TTT's. But in 2015 they had to race the TTT with only 6 riders while other teams still had the entire team of 9 riders present. They came in dead last at 5minutes.

which is why the TTT should come in the first 4 stages of the race. Before any cobbles, gravel, mountains, etc

As for the strongest teams, it would still end the mountain trains that suffocate the race. A rider like Cian may be left at home so he does not become a boat anchor for Rog. Maybe Remco would have to go with very little mountain support and focus on a TT heavy team to maximize his TT advantage via the TTT (Landa would likely be kept at home as he had some truly HORRIFIC TTs in the past - 2015 giro for starters)

 

[CHGJ2000]

Is the most aero rider the "strongest"? Does a better bike and more aero helmet make you "stronger"?

Put them in a lab if you want to measure their strength. I want a race, so I'm concerned with who the fastest are.

Pesky physics making it so putting out power in an aero position matters. Should ban TTs. Simultaneously we should ban climbs and corners, I mean why should being able to put power out while maintaining a low body weight matter so much. Would be much better if all races were on a turbo and whoever produces the most raw power wins.

 

[yaco]

Except for the fact that the strongest teams can field the strongest climbers and TT'ers at the same time.
It just widens the gap between the top teams and the rest even more. As if there isn't already enough peloton à deux vitesses.

Not to mention there's a lot of luck involved aswell.
Orica/Jayco have always performed excellent in TTT's. But in 2015 they had to race the TTT with only 6 riders while other teams still had the entire team of 9 riders present. They came in dead last at 5minutes.

And in this years Vuelta six of their riders crashed in the wet TTT which destroyed their race - In saying that I enjoy TTT's but they should always be stage one.

 

[Boehmand]

Stupid Mickey mouse idea, waste of time. Nobody want to watch this, no rider want to do this, they want to race.

It's not an "idea" - it's a race that used to be in cycling but was discontinued.

I don't quite know what you mean by "they want to race", we already have a TTT at Worlds - that mixed relay abomination - this would replace that, though obviously the women's distance should be shorter, maybe 75 K?

 

[Boehmand]

Not the worlds or Olympics but certainly grand tours.

A long TTT, but not necessarily 100km. Also, only if in the first week. It worked well in the 1993 Tour de France (stage 4) which was 81Km.

Seems odd to me to want it on the World Tour - but not at the World Championships

 

[Netserk]

though obviously the women's distance should be shorter, maybe 75 K?

No, let them race the same distance.

 

[Ripper]

No

 

[Cookster15]

Seems odd to me to want it on the World Tour - but not at the World Championships

I guess I am ambivalent to having a TTT at the worlds. But what I really enjoyed and remember well was stage 4 of the 1993 TdF. Hence why I’d like to see it early in grand tours. Maybe not every grand tour but certainly one grand tour per season.

A TTT can open up time gains which force climbers to attack. In the ‘93 stage 4, I was actually disappointed that Rominger’s team crashed which ruined his chances of upsetting Indurain that edition. By the Pyrenees Rominger was stronger and he even took time on Indurain in the final TT. But the potential for the TTT to even the playing field was always there. And to repeat, a TTT should only be in the first 4 stages of a grand tour otherwise it defeats the purpose. I still don’t really understand why Liberty is so against the idea?

 

[Cookster15]

No, let them race the same distance.

Totally agree. Triathlon proves women are easily capable. The limitation for women is economics not physical.

 

[Boehmand]

Totally agree. Triathlon proves women are easily capable. The limitation for women is economics not physical.

Well all their races on the WT are shorter, so it makes sense the same applies to Worlds and Olympics.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I guess I am ambivalent to having a TTT at the worlds. But what I really enjoyed and remember well was stage 4 of the 1993 TdF. Hence why I’d like to see it early in grand tours. Maybe not every grand tour but certainly one grand tour per season.

A TTT can open up time gains which force climbers to attack. In the ‘93 stage 4, I was actually disappointed that Rominger’s team crashed which ruined his chances of upsetting Indurain that edition. By the Pyrenees Rominger was stronger and he even took time on Indurain in the final TT. But the potential for the TTT to even the playing field was always there. And to repeat, a TTT should only be in the first 4 stages of a grand tour otherwise it defeats the purpose. I still don’t really understand why Liberty is so against the idea?

You know what else can open up time gaps which force climbers to attack, and actually evens the playing field rather than doing the exact opposite by arbitrarily hamstringing them to the strength of the fifth best time trialist on the team and creating an outcome which artificially favours the strongest teams and puts more control into the hands of the teams best equipped to exert control over the race, resulting in more tightly controlled and boring racing?

An ITT.

 

[RedheadDane]

I guess I am ambivalent to having a TTT at the worlds. But what I really enjoyed and remember well was stage 4 of the 1993 TdF. Hence why I’d like to see it early in grand tours. Maybe not every grand tour but certainly one grand tour per season.

TTTs in GTs have indeed happened quite frequently since 1993, and they have to be early, because - as they learned in 2015 - having it as late as stage 9 is quite impractical.
Hasn't happened once a season though.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Bring back the Grand Prix des Nations, when men used to be men.

Trofeo Baracchi was also very brutal. Around 100km as a pair. Possibly the hardest time trial event of them all.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JdhsBCHJv8


Rudi Altig had to push Anquetil, who might have been hungover and/or on drugs.

Back in the days, the best riders made money with crits and events like these. Today this is not necessary anymore. These tests would only return, if somebody would offer enough money. Which won't happen.

 

[houtdffan]

You know what else can open up time gaps which force climbers to attack, and actually evens the playing field rather than doing the exact opposite by arbitrarily hamstringing them to the strength of the fifth best time trialist on the team and creating an outcome which artificially favours the strongest teams and puts more control into the hands of the teams best equipped to exert control over the race, resulting in more tightly controlled and boring racing?

An ITT.

Nobody said we should remove ITTs for the TTT. We need far more ITTing. The coming Giro is a START, but still more is needed

The TTT should take the place of a meaningless flat stage

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Nobody said we should remove ITTs for the TTT. We need far more ITTing. The coming Giro is a START, but still more is needed

The TTT should take the place of a meaningless flat stage

I literally would rather have a meaningless flat stage. You only earn the right to put a TTT in a stage race by seizing the means of production, raising a people's army and taking control of the state.

 

[houtdffan]

I literally would rather have a meaningless flat stage. You only earn the right to put a TTT in a stage race by seizing the means of production, raising a people's army and taking control of the state.

Are you ok? Lol

Nobody in their right mind would ever want another meaningless flat stage

 

[proffate]

Well cycling is a team sport

Funny how this never needs to be said out loud about football.

 

[proffate]

Pesky physics making it so putting out power in an aero position matters. Should ban TTs. Simultaneously we should ban climbs and corners, I mean why should being able to put power out while maintaining a low body weight matter so much. Would be much better if all races were on a turbo and whoever produces the most raw power wins.

Bad faith argument as GP specifically mentioned equipment and not body position or power.

The fact remains that the contours of a plastic hat can decide the winner and that somewhat makes a mockery of sport. If you're a mech e then maybe it's exciting but it's still not adding to the sporting aspect. That said, you are right that ergo racing is pretty dumb. ITT is only a half step above that.

To the original question --- this would be boring to watch so no. Same idea as team sprint (or rowing) but the boredom lasts longer. There's a reason no one watches track cycling except maybe one day every four years.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Tour is considered the greatest race, when it comes to cycling. In it's nature it's a GT, hence long stage race. And in its core it's boring as hell. So boring in my opinion isn't really a deciding factor here. And for me personally ITT/TTT was never boring in the first place, as i like this discipline. Pure perfection.