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100th Ronde Van Vlaanderen - April 3rd, 2016 - 255.9k

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The new King of Flanders will come from what team?

  • Another team

    Votes: 10 7.1%
  • Etixx

    Votes: 10 7.1%
  • Lotto Soudal

    Votes: 7 5.0%
  • Trek

    Votes: 45 32.1%
  • Sky

    Votes: 15 10.7%
  • Tinkoff

    Votes: 30 21.4%
  • LottoNL

    Votes: 7 5.0%
  • BMC

    Votes: 8 5.7%
  • Katusha

    Votes: 6 4.3%
  • Astana

    Votes: 2 1.4%

  • Total voters
    140
  • Poll closed .
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sir fly said:
I see there are opinions about anticipating and making the race.
I've always perceived De Ronde as a race to be made.
Anticipating and waiting has brought far less success in the past than the initiative.
My concern about the Sunday is that never stronger Trek could lock the race for Cancellara's attack and kill the whole excitement.
I'm sure everybody are aware of that, and that they'll try to make the race.

Cancellara's attacks are exciting, though. He who cannot stay with him does not deserve to win the race.

I'd be happy with GVA winning as well, but anyone else and I may well have to express my disapproval in strong terms
 
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the delgados said:
Tornado Tom said:
Etixx will not win with Tepstra, Boonen or Stybar vs Cancellara/Sagan/Van Avermaet
I see Vandenbergh with an early attack

Oh man, aside from GVA, I'd love to see Vandenbergh win De Ronde.
He personifies the term workhorse, both figuratively and literally (in a figurative sense). Guy is huge, and it breaks my heart to see the guy tow others to the line without a winning result.
Vandenbergh for De Ronde.
I can can get behind this #vandenbergh4deronde
 
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Cancellara ain't surprising Sagan, no way. Look at MSR, sagan is the reason canc didn't win it. He closed the gap, otherwise he was gone.

Sagan will be on his wheel the whole time at that point, unless canc can ride away from him like that, like he did with Boonen in E3 '10 but i doubt he can. I think they're both as good and i doubt vanmarcke can follow them, maybe and then he might surprise them.
 
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Miburo said:
Cancellara ain't surprising Sagan, no way. Look at MSR, sagan is the reason canc didn't win it. He closed the gap, otherwise he was gone.

Sagan will be on his wheel the whole time at that point, unless canc can ride away from him like that, like he did with Boonen in E3 '10 but i doubt he can. I think they're both as good and i doubt vanmarcke can follow them, maybe and then he might surprise them.
No doubt the two favourites will be aware of each other, but how does it help Sagan if he simply just cannot follow Fabian on Kwaremont ?
 
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Cance > TheRest said:
Miburo said:
Cancellara ain't surprising Sagan, no way. Look at MSR, sagan is the reason canc didn't win it. He closed the gap, otherwise he was gone.

Sagan will be on his wheel the whole time at that point, unless canc can ride away from him like that, like he did with Boonen in E3 '10 but i doubt he can. I think they're both as good and i doubt vanmarcke can follow them, maybe and then he might surprise them.
No doubt the two favourites will be aware of each other, but how does it help Sagan if he simply just cannot follow Fabian on Kwaremont ?

That wasn't to what i was replying, on the flat (at the end) as DT mentioned. No way Sagan will be surprised by it, he'll stick on his wheel. And i don't think Canc can drop him on kwaremont, that's just my opinion though, he's proven he can but Sagan looks super strong
 
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Kwibus said:
Flamin said:
Not expecting much else than one explosion on Kwaremont. Weather is great, Canc has a very decent team,.. Etixx and Sky could potentially make this a good race but I don't see it happening.

I hope Canc wins and takes the record.

Then again last year has proven that attacking before the Kwaremont can succeed. Also Etixx should be fully aware they won't be able to follow Cance and Sagan on the final 2 ascents. So they really need to anticipate and I think they will do so. This time not with Trentin or VDB2, but more likely with one of their best 3.
LottoBE will also likely anticipate, but Sky does have Kwiat who might be able to follow that explosion, allthough I'm not sure he will.

Well let me narrow it down a bit. If nobody from the 2nd tier riders will anticipate I'm going to go mental behind the tele.

Surely there will be attempts, but nothing too dangerous. One attack like Terpstra last year won't be enough this time. Etixx needs relentless attacking, including from their big guns, and I don't see it happening. Hopefully I'm wrong.
 
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StryderHells said:
the delgados said:
Tornado Tom said:
Etixx will not win with Tepstra, Boonen or Stybar vs Cancellara/Sagan/Van Avermaet
I see Vandenbergh with an early attack

Oh man, aside from GVA, I'd love to see Vandenbergh win De Ronde.
He personifies the term workhorse, both figuratively and literally (in a figurative sense). Guy is huge, and it breaks my heart to see the guy tow others to the line without a winning result.
Vandenbergh for De Ronde.
I can can get behind this #vandenbergh4deronde

If someone could just have the decency to chuck a bag on his chain, he'd be the favourite.
 
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Eyeballs Out said:
I'm expecting a not very selective race due to the warm weather and Demare to win

I could see it happening on the old finale which was a bit more open... and better ofcourse.

The final is too hard. There will be gaps and it's always very hard to close gaps in these races. Allthough Sagan and Cancellara might be eyeballing eachother too much.
 
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Kwibus said:
Eyeballs Out said:
I'm expecting a not very selective race due to the warm weather and Demare to win

I could see it happening on the old finale which was a bit more open... and better ofcourse.

The final is too hard. There will be gaps and it's always very hard to close gaps in these races. Allthough Sagan and Cancellara might be eyeballing eachother too much.
Think Demare might prove to be surprisingly strong and a bit more versatile than people expect in the same way that Kristoff and Degenkolb have been in these races. Only a hunch though
 
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Eyeballs Out said:
Kwibus said:
Eyeballs Out said:
I'm expecting a not very selective race due to the warm weather and Demare to win

I could see it happening on the old finale which was a bit more open... and better ofcourse.

The final is too hard. There will be gaps and it's always very hard to close gaps in these races. Allthough Sagan and Cancellara might be eyeballing eachother too much.
Think Demare might prove to be surprisingly strong and a bit more versatile than people expect in the same way that Kristoff and Degenkolb have been in these races. Only a hunch though

especially if he can get some cars to lift him :D
 
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Eyeballs Out said:
Kwibus said:
Eyeballs Out said:
I'm expecting a not very selective race due to the warm weather and Demare to win

I could see it happening on the old finale which was a bit more open... and better ofcourse.

The final is too hard. There will be gaps and it's always very hard to close gaps in these races. Allthough Sagan and Cancellara might be eyeballing eachother too much.
Think Demare might prove to be surprisingly strong and a bit more versatile than people expect in the same way that Kristoff and Degenkolb have been in these races. Only a hunch though

But he finished so far back at E3. Someone who can contend for the win at RVV wouldn't be that far back. Did he have some problem there that I'm not remembering? Anyway, I just think this course will prove way too difficult and will be raced too hard for guys like Démare. I think it will be too hard for Kristoff as well.
 
I decided to do a small write-up of my assessment of the favorites for tomorrow:

***** Cancellara, Sagan

Fabian and Peter are the two big favorites. No question about it. Cancellara is perhaps as strong as ever, but so is Sagan. I'd give a slight edge to Cancellara on the bergs, but a slight edge to Sagan in a sprint - even though Sagan has a history of losing a bit of his sprinting ability at the end of a hard race, and Cancellara usually shines here. The question really comes down to if Cancellara can drop Sagan on the bergs? It's really close between the two, but if I have to choose, I'll pick Sagan as the winner.

**** Van Avermaet

The consistent Belgian seems to have taken another step up this year, continuing his steady progress. He has been one of the best riders this year and took a great victory ahead of Sagan in Omloop Het Nieuwsblad. If anyone is capable of staying with Sagan and Cancellara when they open up, it's Van Avermaet.

*** Kwiatkowski, Vanmarcke, Kristoff

I might rate Kwiatkowski higher than many would for Flanders, but to me he seems back to his best after a not so good 2015 campaign. He has yet to prove that he can follow the best on the cobbled climbs, but he showed a lot of promise in 2013. He's good on steep hills and excels in hard races. However, his greatest skill is his racing instincts which in my opinion are second to none. He could benefit from a tactical race between the big favorites and win from a clever attack.
Vanmarcke should always be counted among the favorites even though that big win is still missing. He's almost always among the strongest, even though I don't think he has looked as strong as usual this year.
Kristoff started the season with a bang, but has performed a bit below expectations in the Belgians classics so far. However, he seems back on track with his victory in De Panne. The real question is if he's capable of following Cancellara et al when they attack? If he is, he's certainly the favorite in a sprint.

** Terpstra, Stybar, Boonen, Thomas, Benoot

We might as well call the three star category the Etixx-category. Etixx have performed way below expectations in the Belgian classics this year, and neither of their riders have looked particularly impressive. Terpstra took their only win in Le Samyn and his engine seems to be working, but he hasn't looked that sharp on the hills. Stybar on the other hand has looked decent on the hills, but seems to lack the stamina to keep up with the best. Boonen is already a legend but has performed well below par so far this year. It seems as though Etixx will have to come up with some clever tactics - which they aren't exactly known for - if they don't want to go home empty handed.
Focusing on stage races this year, Thomas is heading to Belgium to focus on this one race. He was very good in the Belgian classics last year and he seems even stronger in 2016. Keeping up with the best on the bergs might be a big ask of the Brit, but he shouldn't be ruled out.
Benoot is one of the biggest classics talents for a long time, finishing 5th in his Flanders debut last year. This year he looks just as strong as in 2015 but even though he packs a decent sprint he will have to get rid of the likes of Van Avermaet and Sagan if he wants to win.

* Stannard, Hagen, Boom, Stuyven, Roelandts, Demare, Trentin

The best of the rest. Here we have designated helpers like Stannard and Stuyven who are unlikely to ride their own chances, but it wouldn't be that surprising if Sky and Trek uses them tactically. Roelandts and Trentin also have other captains in their teams, but they will probably be given more freedom than Stannard and Stuyven. Roelandts have previously done some good rides in Flanders and it wouldn't be a surprise to see him on the offense once again this year. Trentin doesn't have quite as good results on the cobbles - he does have a third place in E3 from 2015 though - but he seems to have stepped up this year, as he on occasions actually has been the strongest Etixx rider. He packs a very fast finish, but will he make it to the end with the favorites?
Neither of Demare, Hagen and Boom have stellar results to show for in Flanders - Boom is best with a sixth place last year - but they should all be counted among the outsiders. On paper, Hagen seems very suited for this race but his best result is a 17th place. Will this finally be the year he makes a good result? Boom was good last year, but it seems hard for him to win. He won't win the sprint so he will have to get rid of the likes of Kristoff, Sagan and Van Avermaet. Demare on the other hand is one of the best sprinters in the world and seems perhaps better than ever this year, but it's hard to imagine him staying with the best on the hills.
 
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Sagan doesn't need a good team. Trek will control everything until the last kwaremont anyways
 
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WheelofGear said:
Sagan team is so bad that his "big brother who looks like his little brother" is on it. This is a Monument and Tinkoff is bringing a continental-level team.
As some of you might know, Austria isnt exactly a country with many good cyclists but this is exactly the reason why the Austrian media usually is very excited if an Austrian rides a big race. Now look at Sagans team and whom do you see there? Freakin Michal Gogl. Even here in Austria absolutely nobody knows this guy but still he is in the team of one of the top two favorites in one of the most important races of the whole season. That alone shows you how shitty Sagans team for the classics is.
 
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Miburo said:
Sagan doesn't need a good team. Trek will control everything until the last kwaremont anyways
Cancellaras team is certainly good this year but that doesnt automatically make them super strong. Stuyven, Devoder and Theuns are very strong and the rest also at least not bad but I doubt they can control the whole race.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
WheelofGear said:
Sagan team is so bad that his "big brother who looks like his little brother" is on it. This is a Monument and Tinkoff is bringing a continental-level team.
As some of you might know, Austria isnt exactly a country with many good cyclists but this is exactly the reason why the Austrian media usually is very excited if an Austrian rides a big race. Now look at Sagans team and whom do you see there? Freakin Michal Gogl. Even here in Austria absolutely nobody knows this guy but still he is in the team of one of the top two favorites in one of the most important races of the whole season. That alone shows you how shitty Sagans team for the classics is.

Wait, there's a dude called Michal Gogl on team Tinkoff? What are the odds that on the first day on the first team training camp he was asking the likes of Sagan and Contador for their autograph :D