Don't think cance could have dropped sagan today. The latter was simply stronger, as the ending TT match showed. 9 times out of 10 sagan loses. Not today. Also he lost virtually no ground on the paterberg at all.
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I think Stannard should be good at Roubaix too. His attack to try and bridge was pretty impressive, was absolutely charging up the Koppenberg, but ultimately didn't make it. But yeah, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Rowe is Sky's best rider again next Sunday. Another top 5 is realistic.
Orbit501 said:
I think Stannard should be good at Roubaix too. His attack to try and bridge was pretty impressive, was absolutely charging up the Koppenberg, but ultimately didn't make it. But yeah, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Rowe is Sky's best rider again next Sunday. Another top 5 is realistic.
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Canceralla clearly rode faster than Sagan on the second last climb, when he attacked the first time, but he died a little bit at the end and terpsta etc caught him.
On the last climb they rode equally I think.
SeriousSam said:
Canceralla clearly rode faster than Sagan on the second last climb, when he attacked the first time, but he died a little bit at the end and terpsta etc caught him.
On the last climb they rode equally I think.
I know it sounds strange but it would be interesting what would have happened if Cancellara had just sat on Terpstras wheel on the Kwaremont, because at the end he spent a lot of energy there but didnt get an advantage over Terpstra who just sat behind a teammate. At the end Cancellara probably wasnt able to catch Sagan because he spent too much energy before the Paterberg.
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I don't think he thought Sagan would be that strong. His tactics weren't terrible, Sagan and co. went very early. Sagan ended up doing the lion's share of the work for 40+km. I think Devolder fading accompanied by no other teams helping (Either because they wanted to wear down Canc or because they felt Kwiat and Stijn (Sky and Etixx respectively) were capable finishers, most likely the former) allowed the gap to go out farther than Canc would have ideally preferred, but once they had 20 seconds he had no choice but to wait for the Kwaremont. At that point he just wasn't strong enough. BMC crashing out probably changed the entire complexion of this race but ultimately Sagan was just incredibly dominant and deserved this win.
PremierAndrew said:
I don't think he thought Sagan would be that strong. His tactics weren't terrible, Sagan and co. went very early. Sagan ended up doing the lion's share of the work for 40+km. I think Devolder fading accompanied by no other teams helping (Either because they wanted to wear down Canc or because they felt Kwiat and Stijn (Sky and Etixx respectively) were capable finishers, most likely the former) allowed the gap to go out farther than Canc would have ideally preferred, but once they had 20 seconds he had no choice but to wait for the Kwaremont. At that point he just wasn't strong enough. BMC crashing out probably changed the entire complexion of this race but ultimately Sagan was just incredibly dominant and deserved this win.
Come on guys. Surely you can't compare their times up Kwaremont and Paterberg to determine who was stronger. They were in totally different positions. Canc needed to get up to Sagan as soon as possible, while Sagan knew he might have to go all the way alone so he'd better measure his efforts. On Kwaremont he had Vanmarcke on his wheel as well.
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You are very convinced. I think you are alone on that, besides maybe Cance > Rest.
PremierAndrew said:
You are very convinced. I think you are alone on that, besides maybe Cance > Rest.
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I agree. Cancellara and Sagan rode about the same time on the Pater, but then on the flat part Sagan was faster than Cancellara and Vanmarcke together
togo95 said:
I agree. Cancellara and Sagan rode about the same time on the Pater, but then on the flat part Sagan was faster than Cancellara and Vanmarcke together
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Sagan was allready on the attack for over 10km and he only had to sustain his lead instead of trying to close a gap.
Big difference. I think it's quite clear Sagan was the strongest today, but if Cancellara had followed when Sagan went they would've probably finished together.
rm7 said:
Sagan was allready on the attack for over 10km and he only had to sustain his lead instead of trying to close a gap.
Big difference. I think it's quite clear Sagan was the strongest today, but if Cancellara had followed when Sagan went they would've probably finished together.
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He should be celebrating. Peter and Bertie are the only bright spots in the absolute mess Tinkoff has turned the team into ever since booting Bjarne out.Red Rick said:
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Dayer Quintana finishing ahead of Cance in Milano-Sanremo was even crazier.togo95 said:Juraj Sagan in top 50 in RVV, now we've seen everything
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No way. Sagan was doing work in front for several kms already while Fabian followed wheels behind. He had Devolder, Katusha and Astana doing the chase. And Sagan clearly showed who was the strongest rider in the last 12km. Remember 2013 what a huge difference Cancellara made in the last part which is best suited to his TT skills. But today he didn't stand a chance also with Vanmarcke helping him. So I seriously doubt Cancellara would have gapped Sagan. Probably the pair would have rode away and decide the winner in a 2 way sprint. But this way was a lot more exciting.
SeriousSam said:
No way. Sagan was doing work in front for several kms already while Fabian followed wheels behind. He had Devolder, Katusha and Astana doing the chase. And Sagan clearly showed who was the strongest rider in the last 12km. Remember 2013 what a huge difference Cancellara made in the last part which is best suited to his TT skills. But today he didn't stand a chance also with Vanmarcke helping him. So I seriously doubt Cancellara would have gapped Sagan. Probably the pair would have rode away and decide the winner in a 2 way sprint. But this way was a lot more exciting.
Canc (laughing), on why he didn't go with Sagan and Kwia - "I don't know, ask me tomorrow"
He did say that Kwia went at a strange time with Stannard still up the road.
He did say that Kwia went at a strange time with Stannard still up the road.
Called Kwia's attack annoying, also said he still thought he'd catch Sagan on the flat to the finish referencing Sagan's general lack of strength at the end of long races. Sounds like he just underestimated the move and Sagan in general. Also 4 hours of sleep the night before a race like this Canc? Lacking those marginal gains.
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he messed up right there. When your biggest competitor goes, along with other world champ, even if you think it is too early or the wrong time, you follow their wheels. You dont have to work but you cant let them slip away ... the lesson learned came too late for Fabian ...
jaylew said:
he messed up right there. When your biggest competitor goes, along with other world champ, even if you think it is too early or the wrong time, you follow their wheels. You dont have to work but you cant let them slip away ... the lesson learned came too late for Fabian ...
Cancellara had only 4 hours of sleep?
Full sleep Canc would have ripped Sagan for sure. Should be put into a footnote in the Wikipedia article of the race.
Full sleep Canc would have ripped Sagan for sure. Should be put into a footnote in the Wikipedia article of the race.
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No he didn't. Fabian was never closer than 15 seconds on those hills. And that was while "resting" at that group.PremierAndrew said:
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