107th Milano - Sanremo, 19th March 2016, 291 km, WT

[LaFlorecita]

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There's a pic of him and the teamcar on tuttobici.com:

It's just this one pic and you can't say if it was just a normal sticky bottle that allowed him to hang on the teamcar for a few second.
Source: http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=88389&tp=n

It's not a pic from yesterday.

 

[May0maniac]

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There's a pic of him and the teamcar on tuttobici.com:

It's just this one pic and you can't say if it was just a normal sticky bottle that allowed him to hang on the teamcar for a few second.
Source: http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=88389&tp=n

It's not a pic from yesterday.

Ok, I didn't know that, tuttobici.com claims that it's from MSR.

 

[Rollthedice]

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There's a pic of him and the teamcar on tuttobici.com:

It's just this one pic and you can't say if it was just a normal sticky bottle that allowed him to hang on the teamcar for a few second.
Source: http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=88389&tp=n

It's not a pic from yesterday.

It's a pic from a movie called "Demar and the Car", a thriller set in Italy with a French cyclist as the main protagonist.

 

[Peccio89]

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There's a pic of him and the teamcar on tuttobici.com:

It's just this one pic and you can't say if it was just a normal sticky bottle that allowed him to hang on the teamcar for a few second.
Source: http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=88389&tp=n

That's certainly not the Cipressa.

 

[Tonton]

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There's a pic of him and the teamcar on tuttobici.com:

It's just this one pic and you can't say if it was just a normal sticky bottle that allowed him to hang on the teamcar for a few second.
Source: http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=88389&tp=n

Can someone translate the article? What I understand is that it's not certain that's him, and the pic may not have been taken on the Cipressa but on the Turchino...

 

[Jagartrott]

Either Démare cheated, which is bad, or some riders in the peloton throw around baseless accusations, which is also bad. With all the moto's on the course, no-one of officials, photographers, other team leaders etc. saw anything?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Ok, I didn't know that, tuttobici.com claims that it's from MSR.

Yeah I saw that too, but it seems it's from Turchino (according to INRNG)

 

[jaylew]

Even if he 'just' used a sticky bottle to climb the Cipressa, it taints his victory to me. I know guys use them for short periods all the time but it's not ok to use one to go up the penultimate climb in the finale of a monument. Doesn't look good that the file was uploaded, deleted, then re-uploaded later either. Do we know for sure an identical file was uploaded?

 

[Flamin]

It would be interesting to ask Matthews about this. They were together at one point after the crash. If anyone, he knows what happened.

 

[Ruvu75]

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Do we know for sure an identical file was uploaded?

Guess so... The KOM is there, like it was in the first upload

 

[SlickMongoose]

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It would be interesting to ask Matthews about this. They were together at one point after the crash. If anyone, he knows what happened.

I was wondering about that. He had to be with a bunch of other riders at some point, did he just drop them all?

 

[Alexandre B.]

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It would be interesting to ask Matthews about this. They were together at one point after the crash. If anyone, he knows what happened.

I was wondering about that. He had to be with a bunch of other riders at some point, did he just drop them all?

Now we have to check if any Orica rider was spotted on screen at the back of the bunch during Cipressa descent.

 

[SlickMongoose]

Right. If a car had picked him up, you'd think Orica would be the ones complaining! Unless they did the same thing.

 

[saganist]

Here is the time gap between Van Avermaet and Demare after the crash according to strava data as displayed through FlyBy.

 

[SlickMongoose]

What about the gap between Matthews and Demare? Is that possible? Any of the Orica guys on Strava?

 

[del1962]

Simon Yates is I think

 

[jaylew]

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Do we know for sure an identical file was uploaded?

Guess so... The KOM is there, like it was in the first upload

Ok, I guess I asked for that. I was thinking something a bit more...forensic

 

[Ruvu75]

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What about the gap between Matthews and Demare? Is that possible? Any of the Orica guys on Strava?

Luca Mezgec was with Demare till the start of Cipressa but he quickly let go

 

[luckyboy]

Going by television footage, 12 seconds after the front of the peloton passed the Cipressa start banner, Démare and Matthews were passing a hair salon 350m from the banner.

So 12 secs + however long it takes to do 350m - they weren't very far behind the peloton already at that point

 

[TMP402]

I don't know if people have followed the social media aspect but Cancellara and the Italian riders were accused of being anti-French.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Here is the time gap between Van Avermaet and Demare after the crash according to strava data as displayed through FlyBy.

Interesting that the gap is fairly steady until near the top of the cipressa. Fairly normal to close the gap on the descent, but if he did get a tow, it would have been near the top of the cipressa.

But yeah, the 52.2km/h isnt fishy if simon yates did 54.2 on the same section. It's still suspicious to say the least though

In fact, the gap goes up at the start of the descent, and cars would be slower than cyclists on their own, so if he did get a tow, it makes further sense that he did over the top of the cipressa

 

[del1962]

What did Cancellara say?

 

[Kwibus]

C'mon guys.
No way in hell would Demare and his teammates would've been able to close the gap and then also ride the FINAL!!! without a fat sticky bottle.

 

[saganist]

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Here is the time gap between Van Avermaet and Demare after the crash according to strava data as displayed through FlyBy.

What about the gap between Matthews and Demare? Is that possible? Any of the Orica guys on Strava?

None that I could find. However data shows that Demare gained about 27 sec on the front group in last 2 km of Cipressa and that 20 out of 27 before the false flat. If some sticky bottles happened, it must have been there.

 

[StryderHells]

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Sur le secteur, il a grimpé en moyenne à 33,7 km/h, avec une pointe à 52,2 km/h.

Max speed of 52.2km/h on the Cipressa for Demare - I forgot about that intermediate sprint on the Cipressa

If you look a bit closer you'll see that's after a short section at -2% and then 0%...

Visconti was doing 49 km/h on the same section and we know he wasn't being towed.

And in 2015 Greipel hit 51 km/h on that exact section of the Cipressa that Demare hit 52 km/h