107th Milano - Sanremo, 19th March 2016, 291 km, WT

[TMP402]

Re:

What did Cancellara say?

He tweeted in agreement with this

https://twitter.com/daniellloyd1/status/711473636415299584

 

[JRanton]

It's very amusing to see on social media that many of the same planks who constantly accuse Sky of cheating without any evidence whatsoever are desperately trying to defend Demare despite the witness testimony of two professional bike riders.

Very revealing about the character of those social media nutters.

 

[StryderHells]

It's very amusing to see on social media that many of the same planks who constantly accuse Sky of cheating without any evidence whatsoever are desperately trying to defend Demare despite the witness testimony of two professional bike riders.

Very revealing about the character of those social media nutters.

What makes those 2 riders trustworthy?

 

[JRanton]

Re:

I don't know if people have followed the social media aspect but Cancellara and the Italian riders were accused of being anti-French.

It's crazy. Again, these are the same nutters who constantly accuse Sky without any evidence. They need to be locked up for their own good.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

It's very amusing to see on social media that many of the same planks who constantly accuse Sky of cheating without any evidence whatsoever are desperately trying to defend Demare despite the witness testimony of two professional bike riders.

Very revealing about the character of those social media nutters.

Two blokes said he did it, so it must be true, right?

 

[JRanton]

It's very amusing to see on social media that many of the same planks who constantly accuse Sky of cheating without any evidence whatsoever are desperately trying to defend Demare despite the witness testimony of two professional bike riders.

Very revealing about the character of those social media nutters.

What makes those 2 riders trustworthy?

What makes them untrustworthy? What motive would they have to make it up?

The fact is that we have witness testimony from two professional riders that Demare cheated.

 

[JRanton]

It's very amusing to see on social media that many of the same planks who constantly accuse Sky of cheating without any evidence whatsoever are desperately trying to defend Demare despite the witness testimony of two professional bike riders.

Very revealing about the character of those social media nutters.

Two blokes said he did it, so it must be true, right?

Don't be daft. We're not talking about a couple of edited by mod on social media like Hog and Digger.

 

[doperhopper]

This whole discussion about Demare is by far more interesting as the race itself. For the first time in a few years Milan Sanremo provides action for more than just a couple of minutes

Hell yeah! Let's start Movement For Long Action Cycling - some GT races in the past provided "action" for years... (to be cont'd in The Clinic)

 

[Alexandre B.]

It's very amusing to see on social media that many of the same planks who constantly accuse Sky of cheating without any evidence whatsoever are desperately trying to defend Demare despite the witness testimony of two professional bike riders.

Very revealing about the character of those social media nutters.

Two blokes said he did it, so it must be true, right?

And nobody joined the bandwagon.

Instead, we got pics from Cipressa where he follows wheels of Orica riders. None of them complained about Démare or FDJ.

 

[deneb]

Re: Re:

Interesting that the gap is fairly steady until near the top of the cipressa. Fairly normal to close the gap on the descent, but if he did get a tow, it would have been near the top of the cipressa.

But yeah, the 52.2km/h isnt fishy if simon yates did 54.2 on the same section. It's still suspicious to say the least though

In fact, the gap goes up at the start of the descent, and cars would be slower than cyclists on their own, so if he did get a tow, it makes further sense that he did over the top of the cipressa

at the start of the descent Demare was already in the back of the peloton

 

[burning]

It's very amusing to see on social media that many of the same planks who constantly accuse Sky of cheating without any evidence whatsoever are desperately trying to defend Demare despite the witness testimony of two professional bike riders.

Very revealing about the character of those social media nutters.

Why does Sky matter in this at all?

 

[Tonton]

It's very amusing to see on social media that many of the same planks who constantly accuse Sky of cheating without any evidence whatsoever are desperately trying to defend Demare despite the witness testimony of two professional bike riders.

Very revealing about the character of those social media nutters.

What makes those 2 riders trustworthy?

What makes them untrustworthy? What motive would they have to make it up?

The fact is that we have witness testimony from two professional riders that Demare cheated.

And we have mounting evidence that their story is, to say the least, inaccurate...i.e no 80 km/h...

 

[JRanton]

It's very amusing to see on social media that many of the same planks who constantly accuse Sky of cheating without any evidence whatsoever are desperately trying to defend Demare despite the witness testimony of two professional bike riders.

Very revealing about the character of those social media nutters.

Why does Sky matter in this at all?

They don't but to me at least it was quite interesting to see the same people who accuse others of cheating without any evidence, then desperately try to defend someone else who is accused of cheating by two eye witnesses.

It reveals a great deal about their character and their own ludicrous bias. That's all I'm saying.

 

[JRanton]

It's very amusing to see on social media that many of the same planks who constantly accuse Sky of cheating without any evidence whatsoever are desperately trying to defend Demare despite the witness testimony of two professional bike riders.

Very revealing about the character of those social media nutters.

What makes those 2 riders trustworthy?

What makes them untrustworthy? What motive would they have to make it up?

The fact is that we have witness testimony from two professional riders that Demare cheated.

And we have mounting evidence that their story is, to say the least, inaccurate...i.e no 80 km/h...

He was hanging onto his team car up a climb and flying past other riders in the process. That is cheating. It doesn't matter if it was 40km/h or 80km/h.

 

[Alexandre B.]

It's very amusing to see on social media that many of the same planks who constantly accuse Sky of cheating without any evidence whatsoever are desperately trying to defend Demare despite the witness testimony of two professional bike riders.

Very revealing about the character of those social media nutters.

What makes those 2 riders trustworthy?

What makes them untrustworthy? What motive would they have to make it up?

The fact is that we have witness testimony from two professional riders that Demare cheated.

And we have mounting evidence that their story is, to say the least, inaccurate...i.e no 80 km/h...

He was hanging onto his team car up a climb and flying past other riders in the process. That is cheating. It doesn't matter if it was 40km/h or 80km/h.

Do you have any proof?

You're so willing to teach a lesson but you're as clueless as we are.

 

[Mr.White]

Those two are not enough. They need stronger evidence. Demare is going to stay a winner, deserving one if you ask me

 

[JRanton]

Sadly many of the French cycling community (journalists, fans etc) seem to have taken this incident as an attack on French cycling in general.

Nobody is claiming French riders are *** and that they couldn't possibly win the biggest races without cheating. There is a very talented group of young French riders in the peloton who would have very likely won a monument in the not too distant future anyway.

We saw Alaphilippe at Liege last year and Pinot at Lombardia. Heck even at this San Remo, I'd be the first to admit that without his mechanical Bouhanni would have certainly beaten Swift in the sprint and possibly Demare anway.

 

[Tonton]

It's very amusing to see on social media that many of the same planks who constantly accuse Sky of cheating without any evidence whatsoever are desperately trying to defend Demare despite the witness testimony of two professional bike riders.

Very revealing about the character of those social media nutters.

What makes those 2 riders trustworthy?

What makes them untrustworthy? What motive would they have to make it up?

The fact is that we have witness testimony from two professional riders that Demare cheated.

And we have mounting evidence that their story is, to say the least, inaccurate...i.e no 80 km/h...

He was hanging onto his team car up a climb and flying past other riders in the process. That is cheating. It doesn't matter if it was 40km/h or 80km/h.

Was he? Or was he drafting? You denounce the Sky doubters, but you ain't no better. Your two witnesses, we have now proof, have completely misrepresented the situation. Or lied. They're not "reliable witnesses". And that's what started it all. No complaint from the Sky guys, who should know, the Orica Guys, nothing. Isn't that strange? After all, Swift would get the win...think about it.

 

[Metabolol]

Re: Re:

They wouldn't have complained like that if there wasn't something going on, I don't believe in the 'they are just jealous' or 'they are shady so they are lying' arguments. Even if he didn't go 80 km/h it doesn't mean that he didn't benefit greatly from a sticky bottle or holding on to the car.

Yeah, I'm sure that argument will really sway race commissaires.

Why did you not include the other part of my text where I clearly stated that he won't be dqed unless there is footage.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

Interesting that the gap is fairly steady until near the top of the cipressa. Fairly normal to close the gap on the descent, but if he did get a tow, it would have been near the top of the cipressa.

But yeah, the 52.2km/h isnt fishy if simon yates did 54.2 on the same section. It's still suspicious to say the least though

In fact, the gap goes up at the start of the descent, and cars would be slower than cyclists on their own, so if he did get a tow, it makes further sense that he did over the top of the cipressa

at the start of the descent Demare was already in the back of the peloton

No he wasn't. He was in the back of the peloton near the end of the descent, and got to the front of the peloton during the flat before the Poggio. If he was with Orica the whole time, why did Matthews not make it at the same time?

 

[Tonton]

Sadly many of the French cycling community (journalists, fans etc) seem to have taken this incident as an attack on French cycling in general.

Nobody is claiming French riders are **** and that they couldn't possibly win the biggest races without cheating. There is a very talented group of young French riders in the peloton who would have very likely won a monument in the not too distant future anyway.

We saw Alaphilippe at Liege last year and Pinot at Lombardia. Heck even at this San Remo, I'd be the first to admit that without his mechanical Bouhanni would have certainly beaten Swift in the sprint and possibly Demare anway.

Yes some journos and fans on both sides of the channel never miss an opportunity to revive the old feud, throw gasoline on fires, and it's unfortunate. It shouldn't take wars or terrorist acts for the media to focus on what actually is a growing appreciation between the two people, and for fans to realize that there's a line between patriotism and xenophobia that we should not cross.

 

[Rollthedice]

Re: Re:

Interesting that the gap is fairly steady until near the top of the cipressa. Fairly normal to close the gap on the descent, but if he did get a tow, it would have been near the top of the cipressa.

But yeah, the 52.2km/h isnt fishy if simon yates did 54.2 on the same section. It's still suspicious to say the least though

In fact, the gap goes up at the start of the descent, and cars would be slower than cyclists on their own, so if he did get a tow, it makes further sense that he did over the top of the cipressa

at the start of the descent Demare was already in the back of the peloton

No he wasn't. He was in the back of the peloton near the end of the descent, and got to the front of the peloton during the flat before the Poggio. If he was with Orica the whole time, why did Matthews not make it at the same time?

As per Strava files available Demare had the best time of all for the last 27k better with 36 sec better than GVA who finished fourth and was always at the front. So, he either is a supercharged superman or some foul play was going on. Bling finished exactly 36 sec. down.

 

[deneb]

Re: Re:

Interesting that the gap is fairly steady until near the top of the cipressa. Fairly normal to close the gap on the descent, but if he did get a tow, it would have been near the top of the cipressa.

But yeah, the 52.2km/h isnt fishy if simon yates did 54.2 on the same section. It's still suspicious to say the least though

In fact, the gap goes up at the start of the descent, and cars would be slower than cyclists on their own, so if he did get a tow, it makes further sense that he did over the top of the cipressa

at the start of the descent Demare was already in the back of the peloton

No he wasn't. He was in the back of the peloton near the end of the descent, and got to the front of the peloton during the flat before the Poggio. If he was with Orica the whole time, why did Matthews not make it at the same time?

I don't know where the orica boys were, but after Cipressa the first image of Demare in the back of the peloton is with 20.9km to go.

20.9 km to go for the front, he was around 200-300 meter after the begin of the descent

 

[saganist]

Analyzing in details the strava data of Demare, I could only find this acceleration (and then deceleration) that could be weird. 43.6 km/h in a 4.4 grade while Van Avaermaet (front group) was riding steadily at 24.8 km/h. It may seem short, but actually Demare took about 14 seconds back on the front group during this acceleration.

I do not mean it as a proof of a tow, just having fun with data!

 

[saganist]

if Tosatto releases his data, we could see where Demare overtook him