aarnold517 said:
It's whoever shows best form out of the team's 3 designated leaders: Bruseghin, Urán and Arroyo who has had some very good GC placings at the Giro (twice 10th in his last two participations.)
It's whoever shows best form out of the team's 3 designated leaders: Bruseghin, Urán and Arroyo who has had some very good GC placings at the Giro (twice 10th in his last two participations.)
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sportzchick said:I dont expect them to be holier - its an argument ive had with many that do
I expect them to play within in rules and spirit of the sport though
ive noticed the passionate fans of Cadel get way to riled up - I am a fan of Cadel (althouth a distant 2nd to Stuey) but I dont mind if some hate him........ If we all thought the same, it would be boring wouldnt it!
LOL at the nut hugger comment
Guilty as charged!
Giro d'Italia 2010 winner
According to Betclick.it this is the grid:
Cadel Evans 3,00
Franco Pellizotti 3,50
Ivan Basso 4,50
Carlos Sastre 6,50
Alexandre Vinokourov 12,00
Bradley Wiggins 16,00
Michele Scarponi 18,00
Damiano Cunego 20,00
Stefano Garzelli 25,00
Christian Vandevelde 40,00
David Millar 50,00
Linus Gerdemann 50,00
Marzio Bruseghin 50,00
Chris Sorensen 60,00
Evgueni Petrov 60,00
Tadej Valjavec 60,00
David Arroyo 80,00
Rigoberto Uran 100,00
According to Betclick.it this is the grid:
Cadel Evans 3,00
Franco Pellizotti 3,50
Ivan Basso 4,50
Carlos Sastre 6,50
Alexandre Vinokourov 12,00
Bradley Wiggins 16,00
Michele Scarponi 18,00
Damiano Cunego 20,00
Stefano Garzelli 25,00
Christian Vandevelde 40,00
David Millar 50,00
Linus Gerdemann 50,00
Marzio Bruseghin 50,00
Chris Sorensen 60,00
Evgueni Petrov 60,00
Tadej Valjavec 60,00
David Arroyo 80,00
Rigoberto Uran 100,00
I say Basso. He's consistent imo. I'd go for Evans if he didn't always **** up somewhere in GT's :s.
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Each way on Sastre is a safe bet.
Each way on Vinokourov is an outside shout. I think the course is too hard for a Vino victory however if everything goes right for him and wrong for a couple of the other contenders then a podium is a chance.
Each way on Vinokourov is an outside shout. I think the course is too hard for a Vino victory however if everything goes right for him and wrong for a couple of the other contenders then a podium is a chance.
- Jul 27, 2009
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so just my 2 cents then:
pellizotti: the main favourite on the paper. getting better and better in the last few years, but he has shown some problems at the brutal high climbs in 2008 and also in 2009. because of that it may be possibble that he won't win. liquigas has the best squad of course, but they also had it in 2008 and 2009 and noone of them took the win.
sastre: hmmmhhh. i don't see him that strengh just because he won the tdf2008. in my opinion the tdf of that year was on such a low-level that sastre and evens wouldn't have had any chances in the giro 2008 with the perfomance of that years tdf. alltough sastre is the main adversary for the overall for franco. he is a great climber, and he could do well in the giro mountains. he has already shown it in last years edition. but he's not an that explossive climber like ricco, di luca, simoni and cunego were when they won the giro. that could be a problem because he is not a good tter like menchov or contador. so how he want to distance his competitors?
basso: hmhhh i don't see him winning a gt any more but who knows. he is definitely not the strongest of the competitors, but was cunego it 2004? i don't think so. tactics could make him be the winner
evans: won't win. even if he is the best. he has no domstestiques in the mountains. if he has the maglia rosa in the last week, basso and pelizotti would play the same game with him, as simoni and cunego did with poor popovych in 2004. he has no chance.
pozzovivo: the dark horse. was very good in 2008. if he has the same hmhh let's call it preperation options as the stars like he had 2 years ago he could even win it. i mean he is 2 years older and maybe even 2 years better now. so everything can.
uran: well, he has a strong team. bruseghin, arroyo and vasili k. are fantastic domestiques for a giro. but i'm not sure if he is on that level to beat pellizotti and sastre yet. i don't think so
garzelli: well, if he has last years form i think he could attain the podium. he just had one bad day. it's his last chance for the podium so maybe he is going for it and not for the maglia verde.
masciarelli: don't know him good enough sorry. but on the paper a good dubble force with garzelli.
serpa: will he be the gc man for androni or scarponi? he did well last year after simoni struggeled so maybe a man for the top10?
scarponi: i don't think that he is really going for the classification. i see him more as a man for a stage win
vinokourov: looks very very very very strong at the moment and is one of the main favourites now. but maybe he has his topform to early. just remember di lucas last giro week in 2005.
martin: i see him fighting for the top5. garmin maybe is gonna win the ttt, if he is competitive in the mountains he could show a great performance in italy. has a good domestique but also a contrahent in the team with kessiakoff
mollema: my big hope for the giro. a great talent. he is a very agressive rider, who is alwasy trying to force attacks as we saw in the toc last year and he could bite. his con is that he is a horrible tter. so maybe the best for him would be to go for the maglia verde instead of just trying to hold the wheel of the big names in the mountains and getting 7th or 15th, because nobody would care about that. i hope he and rabo are thinking the same way.
simoni: poor perfomance at trentino. will he start? in 2008 form without the bad day he even could win, but that's utopic now. maybe he is doing it like virenque and is looking for the maglia verde as a farewell present? good for him, but not good for mollema so i hope he won't
gerdemann: if he ever will join the top10 in a gt he will do it in this years giro. the thing is, just now he isn't at 100% after his injury.
valjavec: top10 nothing more, but maybe he has to ride for efikim, because in topform efikim could have a chance for top5. but i think that he is more focussed on the tour and the giro is training for him.
tirralongo: domestique for vinokourov and/or man for the top10 like in the vuelta. if vino struggels he's astanas man.
albasini: hmmm if everythings going right a man for the top10, but top15 is more likely. nice to see him there for colombia, cause i don't see sivtsov more competitive than in the last years. hope to see a good perfomance, but not as good as mollemas one
capecchi/caruso/sörensen: no chance. overated. the only one who maybe could show sth is caruso
the sprints would be very intresting i think between farrar, greipel, petachi and bos. i don't see a clear favourite there.
most line ups look very nice. i was very suprised to when i saw the shortlisted riders of bbox and milram. seems like they are planning sth for the giro. bbox has a nice squad, with lots of names that did well this spring. and milram with gerdemann, rohregger and fothrn. fantastic. seems like they are more focussed on the giro this year. they might be more competitive there than in france.
the route is nice, better than last year. ok it's not that fantastic than it was in 2008 (in my opinion the best gt of this century with tdf 2003), but zoncolan, kronplatz, amsterdam. wow.
i can't wait for 8 may
pellizotti: the main favourite on the paper. getting better and better in the last few years, but he has shown some problems at the brutal high climbs in 2008 and also in 2009. because of that it may be possibble that he won't win. liquigas has the best squad of course, but they also had it in 2008 and 2009 and noone of them took the win.
sastre: hmmmhhh. i don't see him that strengh just because he won the tdf2008. in my opinion the tdf of that year was on such a low-level that sastre and evens wouldn't have had any chances in the giro 2008 with the perfomance of that years tdf. alltough sastre is the main adversary for the overall for franco. he is a great climber, and he could do well in the giro mountains. he has already shown it in last years edition. but he's not an that explossive climber like ricco, di luca, simoni and cunego were when they won the giro. that could be a problem because he is not a good tter like menchov or contador. so how he want to distance his competitors?
basso: hmhhh i don't see him winning a gt any more but who knows. he is definitely not the strongest of the competitors, but was cunego it 2004? i don't think so. tactics could make him be the winner
evans: won't win. even if he is the best. he has no domstestiques in the mountains. if he has the maglia rosa in the last week, basso and pelizotti would play the same game with him, as simoni and cunego did with poor popovych in 2004. he has no chance.
pozzovivo: the dark horse. was very good in 2008. if he has the same hmhh let's call it preperation options
as the stars like he had 2 years ago he could even win it. i mean he is 2 years older and maybe even 2 years better now. so everything can.uran: well, he has a strong team. bruseghin, arroyo and vasili k. are fantastic domestiques for a giro. but i'm not sure if he is on that level to beat pellizotti and sastre yet. i don't think so
garzelli: well, if he has last years form i think he could attain the podium. he just had one bad day. it's his last chance for the podium so maybe he is going for it and not for the maglia verde.
masciarelli: don't know him good enough sorry. but on the paper a good dubble force with garzelli.
serpa: will he be the gc man for androni or scarponi? he did well last year after simoni struggeled so maybe a man for the top10?
scarponi: i don't think that he is really going for the classification. i see him more as a man for a stage win
vinokourov: looks very very very very strong at the moment and is one of the main favourites now. but maybe he has his topform to early. just remember di lucas last giro week in 2005.
martin: i see him fighting for the top5. garmin maybe is gonna win the ttt, if he is competitive in the mountains he could show a great performance in italy. has a good domestique but also a contrahent in the team with kessiakoff
mollema: my big hope for the giro. a great talent. he is a very agressive rider, who is alwasy trying to force attacks as we saw in the toc last year and he could bite. his con is that he is a horrible tter. so maybe the best for him would be to go for the maglia verde instead of just trying to hold the wheel of the big names in the mountains and getting 7th or 15th, because nobody would care about that. i hope he and rabo are thinking the same way.
simoni: poor perfomance at trentino. will he start? in 2008 form without the bad day he even could win, but that's utopic now. maybe he is doing it like virenque and is looking for the maglia verde as a farewell present? good for him, but not good for mollema so i hope he won't
gerdemann: if he ever will join the top10 in a gt he will do it in this years giro. the thing is, just now he isn't at 100% after his injury.
valjavec: top10 nothing more, but maybe he has to ride for efikim, because in topform efikim could have a chance for top5. but i think that he is more focussed on the tour and the giro is training for him.
tirralongo: domestique for vinokourov and/or man for the top10 like in the vuelta. if vino struggels he's astanas man.
albasini: hmmm if everythings going right a man for the top10, but top15 is more likely. nice to see him there for colombia, cause i don't see sivtsov more competitive than in the last years. hope to see a good perfomance, but not as good as mollemas one
capecchi/caruso/sörensen: no chance. overated. the only one who maybe could show sth is caruso
the sprints would be very intresting i think between farrar, greipel, petachi and bos. i don't see a clear favourite there.
most line ups look very nice. i was very suprised to when i saw the shortlisted riders of bbox and milram. seems like they are planning sth for the giro. bbox has a nice squad, with lots of names that did well this spring. and milram with gerdemann, rohregger and fothrn. fantastic. seems like they are more focussed on the giro this year. they might be more competitive there than in france.
the route is nice, better than last year. ok it's not that fantastic than it was in 2008 (in my opinion the best gt of this century with tdf 2003), but zoncolan, kronplatz, amsterdam. wow.
i can't wait for 8 may
IM not sure who will win all the top guys have good sized questions. I think that someone will make this podium that none of us will have mention due to the extreme number of massive stage ending climbs, a la Rujano 2005. D. Pozz. could be a possibility. If he could find any climbing legs I could see Simoni do one last hurrah, but unfortunately, by the eye and brains test, dont think he has any shot.
I love vino, but when he has a bad day it is on the steeper climbs normally. Vino could podium because he is willing to attack at places no one anticipates and gets time that way. I think this race will develop with so many contenders so close to each other, that it maay not be too aggressive with everyone fear the next day, the next day and so on. One thing about Vino is you know he will attack, just when is the question.
I need to do some searching before i can come up with a podium, but I do fancy Sastre on it with Pellizotti.
I love vino, but when he has a bad day it is on the steeper climbs normally. Vino could podium because he is willing to attack at places no one anticipates and gets time that way. I think this race will develop with so many contenders so close to each other, that it maay not be too aggressive with everyone fear the next day, the next day and so on. One thing about Vino is you know he will attack, just when is the question.
I need to do some searching before i can come up with a podium, but I do fancy Sastre on it with Pellizotti.
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Mollema did a fairly ok TT in this year's Ruta del Sol. Obviously it's not his strength, but he's learning. And let's not forget that until he was 20 years old, all the cycling experience he had was TT-ing against the wind in Groningenstaubsauger said:
And Gerdemann for top-10? Why? The guy is a very mediocre climber. That's not what you want to be in this year's Giro (or in any Giro, for that matter).
Ive never been so excited to watch a grand tour.
so much different things could happen, i was picking sastre, but in the last week, vino WOW! and thinking maybe evans can wheel suck his way to victory if vino has a bad day, after getting rid of satre and pellozoti in the medium mountains or on a decent.
only way this race could get more exciting is if rujano turns up for foonton.
i will be watching posovivo to
so much different things could happen, i was picking sastre, but in the last week, vino WOW! and thinking maybe evans can wheel suck his way to victory if vino has a bad day, after getting rid of satre and pellozoti in the medium mountains or on a decent.
only way this race could get more exciting is if rujano turns up for foonton.
i will be watching posovivo to
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ITs going to be one of the best Giro's in a while!
Unfortuantly like staubsauger said Cadel doesnt have a decent domstestique at BMC........in fact I think he doesnt have one (unless there is one I dont know of)
Not sure why I think Sastre will win it but I do - most would have lack of racing fitness as a disadvatage but I some how think. If its not him then unfortunatly it will be Vinokourov (fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me) as he is in red hot form
Unfortuantly like staubsauger said Cadel doesnt have a decent domstestique at BMC........in fact I think he doesnt have one (unless there is one I dont know of)
Not sure why I think Sastre will win it but I do - most would have lack of racing fitness as a disadvatage but I some how think. If its not him then unfortunatly it will be Vinokourov (fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me) as he is in red hot form
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after this week's performance i'd love to say that vino and evans are favorites, but i wonder if both of them have hit their peak form too early. the final week of the giro has easily the toughest stages but that final week is still an entire month away, that would seem like it would be a long long time to hold form
i think it more likely that someone who does not have as good of form right now (sastre, pelizotti, basson, maybe even rujano if he switches to footon) will come in and take the win in the last few stages
i think it more likely that someone who does not have as good of form right now (sastre, pelizotti, basson, maybe even rujano if he switches to footon) will come in and take the win in the last few stages
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aarnold517 said:
That's what I was thinking, too. Vino putting in a good Time Trial, then maintaining the lead to win in Trentino was one thing. Winning Liege Bastogne Liege around 48 hours after the end of that race was something else again. I imagine some opinions will change during the Tour de Romandie, but I'm going out on a limb
and predicting we're going to see lots of Italians do well for this one. And they'll announce themselves by the mountain finish on stage 8.- Aug 5, 2009
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Evans, Sastre and Pellizotti for the podium. Vino is the joker in the pack. He is so unpredictable that I am sure he will have an influence. Garzelli to be in the top 5. Would include Menchov and Van De Velde but as far I know they are not riding. Is Kim Kirchen riding ? Possibly top five for him. Cannot see Cunego or Basso reaching the podium. Obviously the team trial will be a problem for Evans but team time trials can be unpredictable.
Evans, Sastre and Pellizotti for the podium. Vino is the joker in the pack. He is so unpredictable that I am sure he will have an influence. Garzelli to be in the top 5. Would include Menchov and Van De Velde but as far I know they are not riding. Is Kim Kirchen riding ? Possibly top five for him. Cannot see Cunego or Basso reaching the podium. Obviously the team trial will be a problem for Evans but team time trials can be unpredictable.
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/saxo-bank-cofidis-for-the-giro-ditalia
Saxo wont send either Schlecks or Cancellara so they will have Gustav Larsson as their main man - dont know his form so I couldnt tell you how much of a chance he will be.
BMC has been confirmed as one of the teams and Confidis are backing David Moncoutie and Leonardo Duque as their twin attacks - like Larsson I dont know much about their form.
Saxo wont send either Schlecks or Cancellara so they will have Gustav Larsson as their main man - dont know his form so I couldnt tell you how much of a chance he will be.
BMC has been confirmed as one of the teams and Confidis are backing David Moncoutie and Leonardo Duque as their twin attacks - like Larsson I dont know much about their form.
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i think normally the giro mountains will be to hard and to brutal for moncoutie. giro is not vuelta or dauphine
staubsauger said:
How so? He's a pure climber, not a power climber. If anything they'll suit him far, far more than the constant incline, low % climbs of France.
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