2011 Giro d'Italia rumours

[Machu Picchu]

You couldn't be more wrong. As Dim and mellow velo so perfectly described especially to most Italians, the tour will never be as important as the Giro

Well that's hardly a surprise, but to most people the first (and to some only) one that matters is the tour, it carries the most prestige and usually has the best competitors there.

 

[Barrus]

Well that's hardly a surprise, but to most people the first (and to some only) one that matters is the tour, it carries the most prestige and usually has the best competitors there.

Well, considering that the Italian riders also put the Giro first ensures that most of the best Italian riders do specifically target the Giro and not the tour, which means that often the best Italian riders are at their top at the Giro and not the tour. So the tour does not have all the best competitors at their best

 

[Lupetto]

Giro is just show these days, Zomegnan's ideas get crazier and crazier.

First stage that ended on Etna was in 1967. Also Zomegnan's idea?

 

[Climbing]

Zomegnan with this route tries to make giro bigger than tour, but he can put 21 mtf and still giro would be insignificant to tour. History , tradition, legends, that's something giro doesn't have as near as tour.

History, tradition, legends... indeed the Giro doesn't have those.
Maybe you are a Lance fan too?

 

[Machu Picchu]

Well, considering that the Italian riders also put the Giro first ensures that most of the best Italian riders do specifically target the Giro and not the tour, which means that often the best Italian riders are at their top at the Giro and not the tour. So the tour does not have all the best competitors at their best

Which is why I used the word 'usually', but more often than not the world's best are concentrating on the tour.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Anyhow, back to Etna, VeloN have it wrong in terms of the climb. It's 1200m, not 700m. That is the start point at Nicolosi. The first ascent is 1100m of climbing at exactly the same average.
All in, it's 36kms at 6.4% average. Not silly steep, but plenty tough for stage 9!

 

[The Hitch]

Zomegnan with this route tries to make giro bigger than tour, but he can put 21 mtf and still giro would be insignificant to tour. History , tradition, legends, that's something giro doesn't have as near as tour.

Yeah the Tour has more prestige. But if you look at it this way, why do you even watch cycling. Because the same way as the Giro is "insignificant" to the Tour, the Tour is "Insignificant" to other sporting events, like the olympics, Football world cup, Rugby world cup, NFL etc.

The Giro is slightly less important than the Tour. But a win in the Giro > 2nd in the TOur so its not that far behind. And for the cycling fan, its WAY more entertianing.

Besides, time was a Wimbledon was worth as much as all other grand slams together. About 15 years ago it was still the biggest. Now a gs is a gs, doesnt matter which. Im not saying cycling will go this way but its possible.

 

[staubsauger]

Zomegnan with this route tries to make giro bigger than tour, but he can put 21 mtf and still giro would be insignificant to tour. History , tradition, legends, that's something giro doesn't have as near as tour.

actually in recent years the giro already have been better than the tour in a sportif way, since 2008 edition (competitors, route, pressure).

at the moment tour is only bigger for the media/ the commerce.

 

[The Hitch]

Well that's hardly a surprise, but to most people the first (and to some only) one that matters is the tour, it carries the most prestige and usually has the best competitors there.

But this year they held both the Giro and the Tour starts in Holland. The Giro start in Amsterdam more than matched the Tour start in Rotterdam. Both got around a million people. While the Tour left, the Giro did a few stages in Holland. Stage 2 i remember was also epic, people wise. Going into Utrecht i think, they once again got a million people.

SHows that the Giro is also seen as a huge event. If it wasnt, Washington DC wouldnt be considering the crackpot idea of starting the giro there.

 

[roundabout]

It does smell a bit like desperate showboating though.

Showboating is finishing here

http://wikimapia.org/1808140/Torre-del-Filosofo

 

[theyoungest]

But this year they held both the Giro and the Tour starts in Holland. The Giro start in Amsterdam more than matched the Tour start in Rotterdam. Both got around a million people. While the Tour left, the Giro did a few stages in Holland. Stage 2 i remember was also epic, people wise. Going into Utrecht i think, they once again got a million people.

SHows that the Giro is also seen as a huge event. If it wasnt, Washington DC wouldnt be considering the crackpot idea of starting the giro there.

Yeah, the number of people by the side of the road was quite surprising, but trust me: once the Giro left Holland no-one gave a rat's a$$ about it anymore, as opposed to the Tour.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

yeah but when there is a party and it's free to visit, the dutch are there

 

[Barrus]

Yeah, the number of people by the side of the road was quite surprising, but trust me: once the Giro left Holland no-one gave a rat's a$$ about it anymore, as opposed to the Tour.

That also had to do with the fact that the NOS did not show the giro. Thank goodness for Sporza. But really anyone in the Netherlands who cares anything about cycling (other than the 3 week warriors) enjoys the Giro much more

 

[Jan the Man]

when is the actual presentation, tomorrow afternoon?

 

[theyoungest]

That also had to do with the fact that the NOS did not show the giro. Thank goodness for Sporza. But really anyone in the Netherlands who cares anything about cycling (other than the 3 week warriors) enjoys the Giro much more

Yeah, but those aren't too many. The people by the side of the road weren't avid Giro fans, they were just there because there was something to see.

 

[issoisso]

when is the actual presentation, tomorrow afternoon?

Tends to be at night, most years.

 

[auscyclefan94]

yeah but when there is a party and it's free to visit, the dutch are there

I know which parties the Dutch like!

anyway, the stage to glossclockner should be awesome. A high altitude MTF. It is a beautiful area of the world.

 

[craig1985]

I know which parties the Dutch like!

anyway, the stage to glossclockner should be awesome. A high altitude MTF. It is a beautiful area of the world.

Is this a stereotype you're using, is this from personal experience?

I've had nights out with some Dutch people, funny how it came to their turn to buy the drinks they went AWOL...

 

[craig1985]

Oh, and:

As Europe's largest active volcano, Etna on the southern Italian island of Sicily, will be be climbed twice. Stage nine, scheduled for May 15, foresees a first climb of 17 kilometres up the northern side from Linguaglossa to Lenza at 1,631 metres, before a mountain top finish up the southern side, from Nicolesi to Rifugio Sapienza over 19 kilometres, will determine a winner. The total length of the stage starting in Sicily's largest city Messina will be 159 kilometres.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/2011-giro-to-include-mount-etna

 

[Mellow Velo]

when is the actual presentation, tomorrow afternoon?

RAITRE, 5pm CET, tomorrow, repeated on RAI SPORT 2 in the evening.

 

[Kwibus]

Is this a stereotype you're using, is this from personal experience?

I've had nights out with some Dutch people, funny how it came to their turn to buy the drinks they went AWOL...

That's stereotype! Because in fact the dutch ain't greedy.. well compared to the belgians that is. So far all my experiences where I could compare dutch to belgians when it comes down to generousity or tip or whatever the dutch gave waaay more.

It's a shame NOS doesn't broadcast the giro on a daily basis. Only during the weekend the show the races. Allthough they probably don't have many people watching which is a good reason not to broadcast it. All the people that I know that like cycling a bit only watch the TdF unfortunately.

I really hope the Giro gets bigger though. Just like tennis where all the Grand slams are big events.

 

[craig1985]

It's simple, the Tour is the biggest race, but the Giro is the true fan's race.

 

[Anonymous]

link for the presentation later
http://videochat.gazzetta.it/index_Live01.shtml

 

[El Pistolero]

That's stereotype! Because in fact the dutch ain't greedy.. well compared to the belgians that is. So far all my experiences where I could compare dutch to belgians when it comes down to generousity or tip or whatever the dutch gave waaay more.

It's a shame NOS doesn't broadcast the giro on a daily basis. Only during the weekend the show the races. Allthough they probably don't have many people watching which is a good reason not to broadcast it. All the people that I know that like cycling a bit only watch the TdF unfortunately.

I really hope the Giro gets bigger though. Just like tennis where all the Grand slams are big events.

You guys are greedy Calvinists!

 

[Mellow Velo]

Hah! It's on TSF's link, but RAITRE look like that have encrypted the coverage on tv.

I take it back, encryption off the tv. Pictures!