2011 Tour de France Stage 1: Passage du Gois - Mont des Alouettes 191.5 km

[The Sheep]

saxo and euskatel start as the first and second tomorrow. talk about insult to injury. rabo and liqui start early tomorrow. great advantage to bmc and leopard.

Doesn't have to be an advantage. Rabobank started first in Tirreno but still won.

 

[Barrus]

ActuallY I could be wrong on this.
This was my initial understanding, but I might be wrong, don't hold me to it.

After reading this it appears you are wrong

Articles 2.6.027 and 2.6.028 shall not apply where the finish is at the top of a hill-climb, except if the incident occurs before the climb. Every discussion regarding the qualifications «at the top of a hill-climb» and «before the climb» will be decided by the commissaires panel.

From the official UCI regulations

was the fall prior to the start of the climb or not? I believe it was, otherwise giving the people the same time is not consistent with the rules

 

[Gubby Allen]

Be interested to know what happened to Barredo as he is the only rider credited with a time between the 0.06 group and the 1:20 group.

 

[khardung la]

So Alberto is forced to stop because of a crash caused by some imbecile that turned her back on the passing bunch as it went by and his rivals put the hammer down, gain over a minute on him, but nobody is challenging their fair-play the way his was when Andy dropped his chain last year and the Spaniard went on the move. That is what is called an objective analysis.

Gone are the days when if it had happened to a certain Texan, the entire pack would not only have waited for him, but stopped at the side of the road to make sure His Majesty regained his position at the front.

This is indeed le Tour.

+1 it is sad that these kind of situations accumulate, it seems more fair at the giro and vuelta in comparison

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

I think the spectator was not doing something wrong, I do not understand what the Astana guy was doing so much into the right side of the road, almost out of it. The spectator has the feet in the grass....

I wouldn't blame either of them.

The spectator didn't step into the field; the Astana guy had no place to move. So it just happened.

 

[Gubby Allen]

So Alberto is forced to stop because of a crash caused by some imbecile that turned her back on the passing bunch as it went by and his rivals put the hammer down, gain over a minute on him, but nobody is challenging their fair-play the way his was when Andy dropped his chain last year and the Spaniard went on the move. That is what is called an objective analysis.

Gone are the days when if it had happened to a certain Texan, the entire pack would not only have waited for him, but stopped at the side of the road to make sure His Majesty regained his position at the front.

This is indeed le Tour.

It's impossible to know exactly where the line for this is drawn any more. There were attacks on the cobbles last year straight after the crash, that played a part in the overall result.

 

[Dutchsmurf]

A few points I want to make. First of all, ASO has no say in the standings as far as I know. The UCI jury decides those and is leaded by a Belgium guy. Second of all, this isn't the final standing yet and might still be changed later.

About the advantage of starting early or late. In many countries the wind gets stronger towards the end of the afternoon, beginning of the evening. So starting earlier is usually an advantage if it stays dry.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

the fan wasn't looking to the road but waving to the heli. I hope that fan is seriously hurt

 

[icefire]

I think the spectator was not doing something wrong, I do not understand what the Astana guy was doing so much into the right side of the road, almost out of it. The spectator has the feet in the grass....

The spectator was doing something essentially wrong: staying at the border of the pavement on a narrow road. It's true he wasn't moving, but it's also clear he has no clue what a bike race is in a flat stage with 10km to the finish, with riders fighting with legs and arms to get the best position within the field.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

the fan wasn't looking to the road but waving to the heli. I hope that fan is seriously hurt

You are already, obviously.

 

[Escarabajo]

the fan wasn't looking to the road but waving to the heli. I hope that fan is seriously hurt

Relax Ryo.

 

[Sylvester]

Well, this is an utter joke. There were two possibilities for the race jury:

1. Treat this finish like a mountain top finish; the real differences count. Which means: Evans + 3", Contador and Samu + 1'20", Andy Schleck + 1'20", Greipel + 2', Gesink +3'30". By no means a fair solution as this was not a mountain.

2. Treat it like a normal sprint finish and apply the 3 km rule: the time mark is at 3 km to go. Evans + 3", Andy Schleck + 6", Greipel + 6", Gesink + 6", Contador and Samu + 40". A fair solution: the Contador-Sanchez group obviously got stuck behind the Gesink crash inside the last 3 km.

You just cannot combine the two solutions.

 

[luckyboy]

Doesn't have to be an advantage. Rabobank started first in Tirreno but still won.

Yeah, the only advantage later teams get is that they have time checks.

 

[Escarabajo]

The spectator was doing something essentially wrong: staying at the border of the pavement on a narrow road. It's true he wasn't moving, but it's also clear he has no clue what a bike race is in a flat stage with 10km to the finish, with riders fighting with legs and arms to get the best position within the field.

He was clearly looking somewhere else.

 

[No_Balls]

the fan wasn't looking to the road but waving to the heli. I hope that fan is seriously hurt

+1

Something tells me that this is "fan" is a french hero today.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Be interested to know what happened to Barredo as he is the only rider credited with a time between the 0.06 group and the 1:20 group.

We're through the looking glass here. Boassen Hagen missed both crashes, was on the front at 750m to go, finished 19 seconds behind, and has been credited with 6 seconds, in order to maintain the farce that everyone else can be given 6 seconds.

Ultra Vires nonsense.

 

[hfer07]

After reading this it appears you are wrong



From the official UCI regulations

was the fall prior to the start of the climb or not? I believe it was, otherwise giving the people the same time is not consistent with the rules

sort of complicated, since the 2km "climb" actually flattens a 100 mts & then slopes up again...
but I think the rule calls for the beginning of the entire length of the hill

 

[Mambo95]

Well, this is an utter joke. There were two possibilities for the race jury:

1. Treat this finish like a mountain top finish; the real differences count. Which means: Evans + 3", Contador and Samu + 1'20", Andy Schleck + 1'20", Greipel + 2', Gesink +3'30". By no means a fair solution as this was not a mountain.

2. Treat it like a normal sprint finish and apply the 3 km rule: the time mark is at 3 km to go. Evans + 3", Andy Schleck + 6", Greipel + 6", Gesink + 6", Contador and Samu + 40". A fair solution: the Contador-Sanchez group obviously got stuck behind the Gesink crash inside the last 3 km.

You just cannot combine the two solutions.

The rules are all in the 2011 Tour Rule Book. The rules have been approved by the UCI. They're not making it up as the go along.

Article 20 covers the 3km rule and when it does and doesn't count. It says:

This measure does not apply to:

• finishes of the 2nd stage, which is a team time trial and of the 20th stage which is an individual time trial;
• summit finishes of the 4th, 8th, 12th, 14th, 18th and 19th stages.

 

[luckyboy]

Well, this is an utter joke. There were two possibilities for the race jury:

1. Treat this finish like a mountain top finish; the real differences count. Which means: Evans + 3", Contador and Samu + 1'20", Andy Schleck + 1'20", Greipel + 2', Gesink +3'30". By no means a fair solution as this was not a mountain.

Should be like this on every stage. Crashes and mechanicals happen throughout stages. To be punished because your crash happened a few km away from the point where you are 'allowed' to crash is moronic.

 

[khardung la]

the fan wasn't looking to the road but waving to the heli. I hope that fan is seriously hurt

What I say is that the fan was not invading the road taking a photo or the like. Live I thought what a stupid ****er!. Now I just feel bad for the woman. And all the cyclists involved

 

[Sylvester]

Be interested to know what happened to Barredo as he is the only rider credited with a time between the 0.06 group and the 1:20 group.

A 20" time penalty, or so it seems.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

The rules are all in the 2011 Tour Rule Book. The rules have been approved by the UCI. They're not making it up as the go along.

Article 20 covers the 3km rule and when it does and doesn't count. It says:

This measure does not apply to:

• finishes of the 2nd stage, which is a team time trial and of the 20th stage which is an individual time trial;
• summit finishes of the 4th, 8th, 12th, 14th, 18th and 19th stages.

If they're not making it up as they go along, why is Boassen Hagen at 6 seconds on the GC?

He finished 19 seconds behind and was unaffected by any and all crashes.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

So Alberto is forced to stop because of a crash caused by some imbecile that turned her back on the passing bunch as it went by and his rivals put the hammer down, gain over a minute on him, but nobody is challenging their fair-play the way his was when Andy dropped his chain last year and the Spaniard went on the move. That is what is called an objective analysis.

I'm no fan of Leopard, but it should be pointed out that they did not put the hammer down after the first crash. They didn't even ride on the front. The teams who rode hard after the crash were teams who were going for the stage win and they were already riding hard when the crash happened. The only teams who pushed on to take advantage for the GC were Radioshack and BMC, and BMC had reasonable hopes of a stage win.

 

[spalco]

So Alberto is forced to stop because of a crash caused by some imbecile that turned her back on the passing bunch as it went by and his rivals put the hammer down, gain over a minute on him, but nobody is challenging their fair-play the way his was when Andy dropped his chain last year and the Spaniard went on the move. That is what is called an objective analysis.

Gone are the days when if it had happened to a certain Texan, the entire pack would not only have waited for him, but stopped at the side of the road to make sure His Majesty regained his position at the front.

This is indeed le Tour.

That's not exactly how it went down. The hammer was put down mostly by BMC and OPL who wanted the stage win.

 

[Havetts]

The hammer was put down mostly by BMC and OPL who wanted the stage win.

Dont forget Europcar.