2012 Giro d'Italia, May 5th, stage 1: Herning → Herning, 8.7 km ITT

[Trofinios]

I'll go with Geraint Thomas today. Great performance on the short prolouge in Tour de Romandie. Sure, the prolouge today is longer, but I remember G coming 5th on the 8.9k Rotterdam prologue in TdF 2010, only beaten by Canc, Martin, Millar and Lance.

Alex Rasmussen for 2nd and Gustav Larsson for 3rd.

 

[greenedge]

Why is Kreuziger starting at 75th ( he should just at least stay with the other cluster of GC riders ) if only just to be safe.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Good for you. Does he actually speak Ukrainian too? Because they're, like, different languages.

he said to me come both from cyrillic in which it's pronounced sergei gontsjar. also in ukraine and not sirhiy honchar.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Why is Kreuziger starting at 75th ( he should just at least stay with the other cluster of GC riders ) if only just to be safe.

how does that matter at all?

 

[hrotha]

he said to me come both from cyrillic in which it's pronounced sergei gontsjar. also in ukraine and not sirhiy honchar.

Cyrillic is an alphabet, it's read differently in every language. You wouldn't have an English speaker read "Kruijswijk" and accept that as the correct pronunciation, would you?

"Gonchar" is the Russian pronunciation, not Ukrainian. This is a fact.

 

[search]

he said to me come both from cyrillic in which it's pronounced sergei gontsjar. also in ukraine and not sirhiy honchar.

how does that matter at all?

thanks

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[DominicDecoco]

Let's just call him Peter or Ivan, shall we..

 

[Libertine Seguros]

he said to me come both from cyrillic in which it's pronounced sergei gontsjar. also in ukraine and not sirhiy honchar.

No. Again, read my post.

In Russian, Г is [g] and [h] doesn't exist. Hence a Russian would pronounce his name "Gonchar".

In Ukrainian, however, which also uses the Cyrillic alphabet, but a slightly different version to it (same as how German has a modified Latin alphabet, because it's added the letters ä, ö, ü and ß), Г is [h], and they have a separate letter, Ґ, for [g]. So a Ukrainian would pronounce his name "Honchar". Because Russian does not have these two different letters, they've merged both sounds into the one letter.

Similarly, the letter i doesn't exist in Russian, but does in Ukrainian, so they've Russified his first name too.

Serhiy Honchar is Ukrainian, so it is perhaps best advised to use the Ukrainian version. Unless you want to say that FDJ's sprinter is "Evgeniy Gutarovich", which is the Russified version of his name.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

don't they speak russian in belarus?

the friend just said to me about names like honchar and siutsou and samoilau etc that are mistranslated out of russian and he said how they pronounce them liek I said. I didn't know they said honchar in ukranian or siutsou in belarusian. didn't even know in belarus they have their own language

 

[classicomano]

Just call him Sergei Gonchar, it sounds so much cooler.

 

[whittashau]

how long until the first rider starts?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

don't they speak russian in belarus?

the friend just said to me about names like honchar and siutsou and samoilau etc that are mistranslated out of russian and he said how they pronounce them liek I said. I didn't know they said honchar in ukranian or siutsou in belarusian. didn't even know in belarus they have their own language

They have their own languages in Belarus and Ukraine. They are related to Russian, but different. Because of Russian Imperial/USSR times, pretty much everybody there can speak Russian, however. People born in Soviet Union days often have original Belarusian/Ukrainian names, and Russified versions as well.

Hence:

Ukrainian: Сергій Миколайович Гончар (Serhiy Mikolayovich Honchar)
Russian: Сергей Николаевич Гончар (Sergey Nikolaevich Gonchar)

Belarusian: Канстанцін Сіўцоў (Kanstantsin Siutsou)
Russian: Константин Сивцов (Konstantin Sivtsov)

Belarusian: Яўген Гутаровіч (Yauhen Hutarovich)
Russian: Евгений Гутарович (Evgeniy Gutarovich)

and so forth and so on.

 

[vcampbell]

don't they speak russian in belarus?

the friend just said to me about names like honchar and siutsou and samoilau etc that are mistranslated out of russian and he said how they pronounce them liek I said. I didn't know they said honchar in ukranian or siutsou in belarusian. didn't even know in belarus they have their own language

They are almost the same, but not the same. It's a bit extreme, but it's like you try to write a chinese name in english, but in a japanish way.

 

[cycladianpirate]

Enough already!

I take it that there's still no sign of rain or do minor matters like the weather pale into insignificance when compared to the nuances of the Ukrainian language.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Enough already!

I take it that there's still no sign of rain or do minor matters like the weather pale into insignificance when compared to the nuances of the Ukrainian language.

The weather will change quicker than the soul of the Ukrainian people. Hence it is more fleeting, more evanescent and less evocative.

 

[cineteq]

While we figure out how to pronounce Gonchar in Russian, I wonder if Michael Rasmussen will be at the start hanging out with the podium girls?

 

[norwegian]

While we figure out how to pronounce Gonchar in Russian, I wonder if Michael Rasmussen will be at the start hanging out with the podium girls?

No, he is in Norway, riding "Tyrifjorden rundt " Giro de Tyrifjord

 

[Libertine Seguros]

No, he is in Norway, riding "Tyrifjorden rundt " Giro de Tyrifjord

Is he? He's on the startlist for the Szlakiem Grodów Piastkowskich which is going on at the moment (started yesterday). Angelo Furlan and Stefan Schumacher are both in the race too, so looks like Christina Watches have all their big guns in Poland at the moment.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

in 2 weeks he plans to get his *** kicked in vuelta guatemala

 

[El Pistolero]

They'll all get beaten by the fearsome Kevin Pauwels.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I see Ryo has dug himself another bottomless hole to fall into, but still try and get out of.
Slow day waiting for the PL to start?

Most interesting thing so far was MS having to take off his borrowed coat, to put on the maglia rosa, for those nice, but cold folks at RAI.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

does anyone know if there will be intermediate times available like on letour.fr always?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

They'll all get beaten by the fearsome Kevin Pauwels.

At the moment they're all getting beaten by the even more fearsome Marek Rutkiewicz.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

In Russian, Г is [g] and [h] doesn't exist. Hence a Russian would pronounce his name "Gonchar".

In Ukrainian, however, which also uses the Cyrillic alphabet, but a slightly different version to it (same as how German has a modified Latin alphabet, because it's added the letters ä, ö, ü and ß), Г is [h], and they have a separate letter, Ґ, for [g]. So a Ukrainian would pronounce his name "Honchar". Because Russian does not have these two different letters, they've merged both sounds into the one letter.

Similarly, the letter i doesn't exist in Russian, but does in Ukrainian, so they've Russified his first name too.

Serhiy Honchar is Ukrainian, so it is perhaps best advised to use the Ukrainian version. Unless you want to say that FDJ's sprinter is "Evgeniy Gutarovich", which is the Russified version of his name.

That was exactly that kind of thorough explanation I was looking for. Thanks a lot, man.

 

[El Pistolero]

I see Ryo has dug himself another bottomless hole to fall into, but still try and get out of.
Slow day waiting for the PL to start?

Most interesting thing so far was MS having to take off his borrowed coat, to put on the maglia rosa, for those nice, but cold folks at RAI.

To be fair, most people in the world don't know a thing about Belarus. Who can blame them?